The Cause of Lag (Screenshot)

LazyLewis · June 2015

This is two full raids running under one leader all spamming healing springs, AEO's and barrier Vs the Only 16 AD on the Map. Was it us who caused the lag or the two full raids?

There has to be some sort of radical diminishing return for large goups being in one area...decreased healing....80% reduction in AP SOMETHING PLEASE

Sypher · June 2015

Two highly trained organized zergs, forgive me "organized pvp groups"

blabafat · June 2015

Sypher wrote: »

Two highly trained organized zergs, forgive me "organized pvp groups"

Exactly!

A wise man once told me..
"It's not a zerg, it's an organized group."

Waylander · June 2015

That's only 6 small 8 man groups all in the one spot! No zerg there.

Those organized pvp groups rarely roll more than 8-12 deep. Must just be a lot of pugs with them emulating them or something.

bosmern_ESO · June 2015

Sypher wrote: »

Two highly trained organized zergs, forgive me "organized pvp groups"

Sorry we're not all MLG duelers like you and bully around level 10s all day.

Germtrocity · June 2015

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Two highly trained organized zergs, forgive me "organized pvp groups"

Sorry we're not all MLG duelers like you and bully around level 10s all day.

He would probably toss you around just as easily, if not more easily.

And obviously it is 12 highly coordinated 4 man groups doing their job completely separate of each other. Obviously.

MormondPayne_EP · June 2015

I agree with all that has been said in this thread...

Groups like the one above make PVP terrible to play. A zerg by any other name...

Vizier · June 2015

Looks like Gelfling. Smells like Gelfling. Must be...

Sotha_Sil · June 2015

LazyLewis wrote: »

Was it us who caused the lag or the two full raids?

Neither of these. It was you both.

IxSTALKERxI · June 2015

Their group is probably earning just as much AP as your group is to. Getting rewarded for no risk.

RinaldoGandolphi · June 2015

Now guys, we only had 9 in group.......

God_flakes · June 2015

Sypher wrote: »

Two highly trained organized zergs, forgive me "organized pvp groups"

No no no no...two PROFESSIONAL groups. That's what they refer to themselves as, dontchaknow.

Ghostbane · June 2015

The game should still be capable of operating 48 + 16 players in the same area. Doesn't matter if they are spamming Stone Fist, or Monster Trucking over old fridges.

Davenaro · June 2015

just waiting for the havoc lag comment. No one there in havoc, STILL HAVOC LAG!!!DKJFDFKDSFJSLF

manny254 · June 2015

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Davenaro wrote: »

just waiting for the havoc lag comment. No one there in havoc, STILL HAVOC LAG!!!DKJFDFKDSFJSLF

So?... Nerf Sorc?

Gizit · June 2015

It must be terrible to harbor so much hate for players that have fun and play together.

I feel so bad for you guys/gals, and the only form of therapy you get is lashing out on a forums. I wish i could be there for you, hug when you lose a keep, a scroll something more i could do whilest on the other end of the internets.

perhaps instead of addressing some of the game issues and balance "issues"
(Which no one should rightfully blame ZOS for, since its players have the freedom to choose where they want to play.)

Perhaps rather, they should invest in some grief counselors for each of you. A camp where you can all get together in a LAN room and talk about it.

I would like to make this my official post to being the AD/DC Grief Consultant Please feel free to PM me your woes after facing defeat on so many different fronts beyond your control. Havoc Killed me, Decibel killed me, Vehemence Killed me, Nexus Killed me, I was ganked by a zerg of EP (4 players). They healed their group because thats what healers do and i cant handle it.

I have a full range of explanations to give you.
My heart is there for you other players, it is there!

Sanct16 · June 2015

Gizit wrote: »

It must be terrible to harbor so much hate for players that have fun and play together.

I feel so bad for you guys/gals, and the only form of therapy you get is lashing out on a forums. I wish i could be there for you, hug when you lose a keep, a scroll something more i could do whilest on the other end of the internets.

perhaps instead of addressing some of the game issues and balance "issues"
(Which no one should rightfully blame ZOS for, since its players have the freedom to choose where they want to play.)

Perhaps rather, they should invest in some grief counselors for each of you. A camp where you can all get together in a LAN room and talk about it.

I would like to make this my official post to being the AD/DC Grief Consultant Please feel free to PM me your woes after facing defeat on so many different fronts beyond your control. Havoc Killed me, Decibel killed me, Vehemence Killed me, Nexus Killed me, I was ganked by a zerg of EP (4 players). They healed their group because thats what healers do and i cant handle it.

I have a full range of explanations to give you.
My heart is there for you other players, it is there!

... said the zergling?

Gizit · June 2015

Sanct16 wrote: »

Gizit wrote: »

It must be terrible to harbor so much hate for players that have fun and play together.

I feel so bad for you guys/gals, and the only form of therapy you get is lashing out on a forums. I wish i could be there for you, hug when you lose a keep, a scroll something more i could do whilest on the other end of the internets.

perhaps instead of addressing some of the game issues and balance "issues"
(Which no one should rightfully blame ZOS for, since its players have the freedom to choose where they want to play.)

Perhaps rather, they should invest in some grief counselors for each of you. A camp where you can all get together in a LAN room and talk about it.

I would like to make this my official post to being the AD/DC Grief Consultant Please feel free to PM me your woes after facing defeat on so many different fronts beyond your control. Havoc Killed me, Decibel killed me, Vehemence Killed me, Nexus Killed me, I was ganked by a zerg of EP (4 players). They healed their group because thats what healers do and i cant handle it.

I have a full range of explanations to give you.
My heart is there for you other players, it is there!

... said the zergling?

###HUGS#### the EU AD, Saltine.!
I dont know about you, but im feeling better already

silentdude · June 2015

Davenaro wrote: »

just waiting for the havoc lag comment. No one there in havoc, STILL HAVOC LAG!!!DKJFDFKDSFJSLF

I have proof that Havoc lag/zerg is a myth. As you can see, none of you guys are spamming healing springs aoe etc to lag the server, and you are only running a 16 man group.

Same with this other group.

Nerf sorcs buff nightblades.

Huckdabuck · June 2015

My eye sight is getting pretty bad these days (especially with an image that I can't make larger) but from straining my eyes and counting the red dots.....I'm counting anywhere form 24-30 players. So that's either 1 full raid (24 red blobs) or 1 full raid with 6 pugs (25-30 red blobs). Definitely doesn't appear to be 48 players in this screenshot which would be the 2 full raid group claim. Then again if it is 48 players maybe they were so scared of you and your skill that they felt the need to bring that many to fight! Compliments to you and your brave 16 AD. But to answer your question....what @Sotha_Sil said.

God_flakes · June 2015

Gizit wrote: »

It must be terrible to harbor so much hate for players that have fun and play together.

I feel so bad for you guys/gals, and the only form of therapy you get is lashing out on a forums. I wish i could be there for you, hug when you lose a keep, a scroll something more i could do whilest on the other end of the internets.

perhaps instead of addressing some of the game issues and balance "issues"
(Which no one should rightfully blame ZOS for, since its players have the freedom to choose where they want to play.)

Perhaps rather, they should invest in some grief counselors for each of you. A camp where you can all get together in a LAN room and talk about it.

I would like to make this my official post to being the AD/DC Grief Consultant Please feel free to PM me your woes after facing defeat on so many different fronts beyond your control. Havoc Killed me, Decibel killed me, Vehemence Killed me, Nexus Killed me, I was ganked by a zerg of EP (4 players). They healed their group because thats what healers do and i cant handle it.

I have a full range of explanations to give you.
My heart is there for you other players, it is there!

Your words are empty. You can sincerely show your apologies to me for being a zerbad with a dozen Godiva raspberry cordials and a summer bouquet.

silentdude · June 2015

SirAndy · June 2015

LazyLewis wrote: »

Was it us who caused the lag or the two full raids?

Neither. It was ZOS's inability to write good network code!

I count no more than maybe 30 people in that screenshot. There is *NO* excuse for any lag in this scenario ever, no matter how many skills they spam.

Good game client/server code needs to be prediction based using UDP packets and a server app that does *not* wait for client packets to arrive before broadcasting updates to other players.

ZOS has it all backwards with their client heavy implementation and it shows every time you have more than a few players on screen.

Many of us who actually have worked on gaming client/server implementations have pointed this out to ZOS ever since early beta two years ago.

Gizit · June 2015

God_flakes wrote: »

Gizit wrote: »

It must be terrible to harbor so much hate for players that have fun and play together.

I feel so bad for you guys/gals, and the only form of therapy you get is lashing out on a forums. I wish i could be there for you, hug when you lose a keep, a scroll something more i could do whilest on the other end of the internets.

perhaps instead of addressing some of the game issues and balance "issues"
(Which no one should rightfully blame ZOS for, since its players have the freedom to choose where they want to play.)

Perhaps rather, they should invest in some grief counselors for each of you. A camp where you can all get together in a LAN room and talk about it.

I would like to make this my official post to being the AD/DC Grief Consultant Please feel free to PM me your woes after facing defeat on so many different fronts beyond your control. Havoc Killed me, Decibel killed me, Vehemence Killed me, Nexus Killed me, I was ganked by a zerg of EP (4 players). They healed their group because thats what healers do and i cant handle it.

I have a full range of explanations to give you.
My heart is there for you other players, it is there!

Your words are empty. You can sincerely show your apologies to me for being a zerbad with a dozen Godiva raspberry cordials and a summer bouquet.

PM me the address, we here at EP counseling services will do all that we can to have arrangements made for you. as long as we see them re-posted on the forums.

bosmern_ESO · June 2015

Germtrocity wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Two highly trained organized zergs, forgive me "organized pvp groups"

Sorry we're not all MLG duelers like you and bully around level 10s all day.

He would probably toss you around just as easily, if not more easily.

And obviously it is 12 highly coordinated 4 man groups doing their job completely separate of each other. Obviously.

He'd probably want me to be on my level 10 sorc to fight him though.

manny254 · June 2015

Yonkit wrote: »

Davenaro wrote: »

just waiting for the havoc lag comment. No one there in havoc, STILL HAVOC LAG!!!DKJFDFKDSFJSLF

silentdude wrote: »

Davenaro wrote: »

just waiting for the havoc lag comment. No one there in havoc, STILL HAVOC LAG!!!DKJFDFKDSFJSLF

I have proof that Havoc lag/zerg is a myth. As you can see, none of you guys are spamming healing springs aoe etc to lag the server, and you are only running a 16 man group.

THIS ONLY MEANS THEY'VE FOUND A WAY TO MAKE HEALING SPRINGS INVISIBLE!!!!!

IT WAS HAVOC ALL ALONG.

It was said on the forums!!!! This means it has been confirmed as the truth.

frozywozy · June 2015

SirAndy wrote: »

LazyLewis wrote: »

Was it us who caused the lag or the two full raids?

Neither. It was ZOS's inability to write good network code!

I count no more than maybe 30 people in that screenshot. There is *NO* excuse for any lag in this scenario ever, no matter how many skills they spam.

Good game client/server code needs to be prediction based using UDP packets and a server app that does *not* wait for client packets to arrive before broadcasting updates to other players.

ZOS has it all backwards with their client heavy implementation and it shows every time you have more than a few players on screen.

Many of us who actually have worked on gaming client/server implementations have pointed this out to ZOS ever since early beta two years ago.

Gave you an awesome only for that emote!

Mr_Nobody · June 2015

I wonder how many zergs will run in a campaign which depends on resources taken ~ hueheuheue ~

Smallman / solo time incoming soon! Hooray ZoS, you have heard us!

PainfulFAFA · June 2015

LazyLewis wrote: »

This is two full raids running under one leader all spamming healing springs, AEO's and barrier Vs the Only 16 AD on the Map. Was it us who caused the lag or the two full raids?

There has to be some sort of radical diminishing return for large goups being in one area...decreased healing....80% reduction in AP SOMETHING PLEASE

What are you talking about?? EP NEVER zergs. They run organized 16 man groups at most!

Ghostbane · June 2015

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

LazyLewis wrote: »

This is two full raids running under one leader all spamming healing springs, AEO's and barrier Vs the Only 16 AD on the Map. Was it us who caused the lag or the two full raids?

There has to be some sort of radical diminishing return for large goups being in one area...decreased healing....80% reduction in AP SOMETHING PLEASE

What are you talking about?? EP NEVER zergs. They run organized 16 man groups at most!

8*

Alomar · June 2015

Another knob blaming players for grouping up in an rvr game that's advertised as having battles with hundreds of players.