VincentBlanquin wrote: »

sums it up? there were-are daily lagsploitings from AD and DC on Thornblade so EP guilds (not me) give up and play elsewhere and since TU many newbies play EP couse of Skyrim, so we have population of unorganized casuals EP on thornblade. Not surprise they cant face AD and DC guilds, if they even dont attack each other

Etaniel wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Wasn't sure if i should take the time to reply to just a deluded post but here it goes. Taking a keep at night isn't really the issue here, It's PvDoor with multiple trains when a locked faction is against very minimal resistance, And it's not just the odd keep, It's painting the entire map red.

Personally i don't care if you try cap keeps and if it's at least a decent fight, But PvDoor then an entire map being red is why both factions aimed at you, It didn't even come from some kind of master plan. It happened because people have had enough.

Yes your angry.

Say what you want, we alll know the truth, and this green alliance come naturaly? rly? Why you not lead your "anty one color" crusade at Azura, or you like yelow more than red ? Very minimal resistance you say? Then why DC was pushed bck to their home keeps and lose both scrolls in prime time last few days? (all factions was locked) and even help DC recieved from AD cant prevent it? Lets say for the moment you are 100% right. You know what will happens in the end. Most of EP already quit or move to AD or DC. So in the end we will have one blue Thorn and one yellow Azura. Think this is better ? So you try to fix things by making them worse. " Personally i don't care if you try cap keeps and if it's at least a decent fight" yes this was true, long ago. Now you just copy Shindo`s tactic because there is no other way to win.

You make zero sense mate. The green alliance did come naturally...Of course we like yellows more than reds, isn't that obvious??? It's subject to change evidently... Started from a red map to a yellow/blue map, I don't see how it's making it worse, on the contrary, the map isn't controlled by one faction now
And stop your dumb hate campaign against eXile

as i do agree with you he´s not completly wrong.
the problem are actually the night cappers of all three alliances avoiding each other. it doesent matter if AD night cap simultanious with 3 bars on Azura & Haderus a poplocked DC on Chill or a poplocked EP Thorn. the problem actually is them avoiding each other. and that is happening. the only way to break this is by forcing players to fight each other instead of guards on otherwise empty campaigns.
so personaly i would disable listing/travel to players for any but one campaign starting at 2o`clock in the morning until 12 o`clock(maybe with an exception at weekands and on celebration days) while the guards on those "shut" campaigns become stronger and stronger until they reach an unbeatable demigod niveau.

Well the problem is the DC and AD guilds that nightcap on other campaigns do so because it's their home.. So they're not travelling there as guests. On the contrary, if for example lets say AD is nightcapping Azura, and some blues are on chillrend and are bored, they should be able to travel to azura to get some PvP action and attempt to prevent the nightcap.

tbh, i see it as a lesser problem if DC or AD nightcaps on other campaigns than thorn, and I wouldn't mind if EP did either.

It's a problem to me when it's done on a competitive campaign like thorn. (I'm not saying that the other campaigns aren't competitive, but they are less than TB). The pve guilds will always want their buff campaigns, or easy campaign wins for the master gear, but it sucks that the most competitive campaign which is Thorn is plagued by nightcappers who don't bring anything to the competition aside from an unfair advantage and a single color map in the morning.

For me, Thorn is the only campaign where winning means something. Out of all of them, it's the most populated around the clock, and there are usually guilds on each sides so it's rather balanced. (what alliances are made from there is another matter), so the other campaigns are for me just a big battleground where i can get some PvP without thiking about the faction leaderboard. Which is why nightcappers on these campaigns aren't a big issue for me. But then that's totally personnal, i'm sure some guilds pride themsleves on playing those campaigns and suffer from the nightcaps too, but I don't think they represent as much people as the thorn player base.
There are three other campaigns aside from thorn, one for each faction, I don't see why EP or anyone else for that matter wouldn't do their nightcapping somewhere else

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Tankqull wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Wasn't sure if i should take the time to reply to just a deluded post but here it goes. Taking a keep at night isn't really the issue here, It's PvDoor with multiple trains when a locked faction is against very minimal resistance, And it's not just the odd keep, It's painting the entire map red.

Personally i don't care if you try cap keeps and if it's at least a decent fight, But PvDoor then an entire map being red is why both factions aimed at you, It didn't even come from some kind of master plan. It happened because people have had enough.

Yes your angry.

Say what you want, we alll know the truth, and this green alliance come naturaly? rly? Why you not lead your "anty one color" crusade at Azura, or you like yelow more than red ? Very minimal resistance you say? Then why DC was pushed bck to their home keeps and lose both scrolls in prime time last few days? (all factions was locked) and even help DC recieved from AD cant prevent it? Lets say for the moment you are 100% right. You know what will happens in the end. Most of EP already quit or move to AD or DC. So in the end we will have one blue Thorn and one yellow Azura. Think this is better ? So you try to fix things by making them worse. " Personally i don't care if you try cap keeps and if it's at least a decent fight" yes this was true, long ago. Now you just copy Shindo`s tactic because there is no other way to win.

You make zero sense mate. The green alliance did come naturally...Of course we like yellows more than reds, isn't that obvious??? It's subject to change evidently... Started from a red map to a yellow/blue map, I don't see how it's making it worse, on the contrary, the map isn't controlled by one faction now
And stop your dumb hate campaign against eXile

as i do agree with you he´s not completly wrong.
the problem are actually the night cappers of all three alliances avoiding each other. it doesent matter if AD night cap simultanious with 3 bars on Azura & Haderus a poplocked DC on Chill or a poplocked EP Thorn. the problem actually is them avoiding each other. and that is happening. the only way to break this is by forcing players to fight each other instead of guards on otherwise empty campaigns.
so personaly i would disable listing/travel to players for any but one campaign starting at 2o`clock in the morning until 12 o`clock(maybe with an exception at weekands and on celebration days) while the guards on those "shut" campaigns become stronger and stronger until they reach an unbeatable demigod niveau.

Well the problem is the DC and AD guilds that nightcap on other campaigns do so because it's their home.. So they're not travelling there as guests. On the contrary, if for example lets say AD is nightcapping Azura, and some blues are on chillrend and are bored, they should be able to travel to azura to get some PvP action and attempt to prevent the nightcap.

tbh, i see it as a lesser problem if DC or AD nightcaps on other campaigns than thorn, and I wouldn't mind if EP did either.

It's a problem to me when it's done on a competitive campaign like thorn. (I'm not saying that the other campaigns aren't competitive, but they are less than TB). The pve guilds will always want their buff campaigns, or easy campaign wins for the master gear, but it sucks that the most competitive campaign which is Thorn is plagued by nightcappers who don't bring anything to the competition aside from an unfair advantage and a single color map in the morning.

For me, Thorn is the only campaign where winning means something. Out of all of them, it's the most populated around the clock, and there are usually guilds on each sides so it's rather balanced. (what alliances are made from there is another matter), so the other campaigns are for me just a big battleground where i can get some PvP without thiking about the faction leaderboard. Which is why nightcappers on these campaigns aren't a big issue for me. But then that's totally personnal, i'm sure some guilds pride themsleves on playing those campaigns and suffer from the nightcaps too, but I don't think they represent as much people as the thorn player base.
There are three other campaigns aside from thorn, one for each faction, I don't see why EP or anyone else for that matter wouldn't do their nightcapping somewhere else

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so in other words you don´t care about balance as long as you are not negativly affected. awesome ...

Etaniel wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Wasn't sure if i should take the time to reply to just a deluded post but here it goes. Taking a keep at night isn't really the issue here, It's PvDoor with multiple trains when a locked faction is against very minimal resistance, And it's not just the odd keep, It's painting the entire map red.

Personally i don't care if you try cap keeps and if it's at least a decent fight, But PvDoor then an entire map being red is why both factions aimed at you, It didn't even come from some kind of master plan. It happened because people have had enough.

Yes your angry.

Say what you want, we alll know the truth, and this green alliance come naturaly? rly? Why you not lead your "anty one color" crusade at Azura, or you like yelow more than red ? Very minimal resistance you say? Then why DC was pushed bck to their home keeps and lose both scrolls in prime time last few days? (all factions was locked) and even help DC recieved from AD cant prevent it? Lets say for the moment you are 100% right. You know what will happens in the end. Most of EP already quit or move to AD or DC. So in the end we will have one blue Thorn and one yellow Azura. Think this is better ? So you try to fix things by making them worse. " Personally i don't care if you try cap keeps and if it's at least a decent fight" yes this was true, long ago. Now you just copy Shindo`s tactic because there is no other way to win.

You make zero sense mate. The green alliance did come naturally...Of course we like yellows more than reds, isn't that obvious??? It's subject to change evidently... Started from a red map to a yellow/blue map, I don't see how it's making it worse, on the contrary, the map isn't controlled by one faction now
And stop your dumb hate campaign against eXile

as i do agree with you he´s not completly wrong.
the problem are actually the night cappers of all three alliances avoiding each other. it doesent matter if AD night cap simultanious with 3 bars on Azura & Haderus a poplocked DC on Chill or a poplocked EP Thorn. the problem actually is them avoiding each other. and that is happening. the only way to break this is by forcing players to fight each other instead of guards on otherwise empty campaigns.
so personaly i would disable listing/travel to players for any but one campaign starting at 2o`clock in the morning until 12 o`clock(maybe with an exception at weekands and on celebration days) while the guards on those "shut" campaigns become stronger and stronger until they reach an unbeatable demigod niveau.

Well the problem is the DC and AD guilds that nightcap on other campaigns do so because it's their home.. So they're not travelling there as guests. On the contrary, if for example lets say AD is nightcapping Azura, and some blues are on chillrend and are bored, they should be able to travel to azura to get some PvP action and attempt to prevent the nightcap.

tbh, i see it as a lesser problem if DC or AD nightcaps on other campaigns than thorn, and I wouldn't mind if EP did either.

It's a problem to me when it's done on a competitive campaign like thorn. (I'm not saying that the other campaigns aren't competitive, but they are less than TB). The pve guilds will always want their buff campaigns, or easy campaign wins for the master gear, but it sucks that the most competitive campaign which is Thorn is plagued by nightcappers who don't bring anything to the competition aside from an unfair advantage and a single color map in the morning.

For me, Thorn is the only campaign where winning means something. Out of all of them, it's the most populated around the clock, and there are usually guilds on each sides so it's rather balanced. (what alliances are made from there is another matter), so the other campaigns are for me just a big battleground where i can get some PvP without thiking about the faction leaderboard. Which is why nightcappers on these campaigns aren't a big issue for me. But then that's totally personnal, i'm sure some guilds pride themsleves on playing those campaigns and suffer from the nightcaps too, but I don't think they represent as much people as the thorn player base.
There are three other campaigns aside from thorn, one for each faction, I don't see why EP or anyone else for that matter wouldn't do their nightcapping somewhere else

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Garion wrote: »

iseko wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Wasn't sure if i should take the time to reply to just a deluded post but here it goes. Taking a keep at night isn't really the issue here, It's PvDoor with multiple trains when a locked faction is against very minimal resistance, And it's not just the odd keep, It's painting the entire map red.

Personally i don't care if you try cap keeps and if it's at least a decent fight, But PvDoor then an entire map being red is why both factions aimed at you, It didn't even come from some kind of master plan. It happened because people have had enough.

Yes your angry.

Say what you want, we alll know the truth, and this green alliance come naturaly? rly? Why you not lead your "anty one color" crusade at Azura, or you like yelow more than red ? Very minimal resistance you say? Then why DC was pushed bck to their home keeps and lose both scrolls in prime time last few days? (all factions was locked) and even help DC recieved from AD cant prevent it? Lets say for the moment you are 100% right. You know what will happens in the end. Most of EP already quit or move to AD or DC. So in the end we will have one blue Thorn and one yellow Azura. Think this is better ? So you try to fix things by making them worse. " Personally i don't care if you try cap keeps and if it's at least a decent fight" yes this was true, long ago. Now you just copy Shindo`s tactic because there is no other way to win.

You make zero sense mate. The green alliance did come naturally...Of course we like yellows more than reds, isn't that obvious??? It's subject to change evidently... Started from a red map to a yellow/blue map, I don't see how it's making it worse, on the contrary, the map isn't controlled by one faction now
And stop your dumb hate campaign against eXile

as i do agree with you he´s not completly wrong.
the problem are actually the night cappers of all three alliances avoiding each other. it doesent matter if AD night cap simultanious with 3 bars on Azura & Haderus a poplocked DC on Chill or a poplocked EP Thorn. the problem actually is them avoiding each other. and that is happening. the only way to break this is by forcing players to fight each other instead of guards on otherwise empty campaigns.
so personaly i would disable listing/travel to players for any but one campaign starting at 2o`clock in the morning until 12 o`clock(maybe with an exception at weekands and on celebration days) while the guards on those "shut" campaigns become stronger and stronger until they reach an unbeatable demigod niveau.

Well the problem is the DC and AD guilds that nightcap on other campaigns do so because it's their home.. So they're not travelling there as guests. On the contrary, if for example lets say AD is nightcapping Azura, and some blues are on chillrend and are bored, they should be able to travel to azura to get some PvP action and attempt to prevent the nightcap.

tbh, i see it as a lesser problem if DC or AD nightcaps on other campaigns than thorn, and I wouldn't mind if EP did either.

It's a problem to me when it's done on a competitive campaign like thorn. (I'm not saying that the other campaigns aren't competitive, but they are less than TB). The pve guilds will always want their buff campaigns, or easy campaign wins for the master gear, but it sucks that the most competitive campaign which is Thorn is plagued by nightcappers who don't bring anything to the competition aside from an unfair advantage and a single color map in the morning.

For me, Thorn is the only campaign where winning means something. Out of all of them, it's the most populated around the clock, and there are usually guilds on each sides so it's rather balanced. (what alliances are made from there is another matter), so the other campaigns are for me just a big battleground where i can get some PvP without thiking about the faction leaderboard. Which is why nightcappers on these campaigns aren't a big issue for me. But then that's totally personnal, i'm sure some guilds pride themsleves on playing those campaigns and suffer from the nightcaps too, but I don't think they represent as much people as the thorn player base.
There are three other campaigns aside from thorn, one for each faction, I don't see why EP or anyone else for that matter wouldn't do their nightcapping somewhere else

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Have you ever met someone who seemed ordinary but when they say something you realise instantly that he is a complete ass. However due to social conventions/rules you can't really say anything about it. So you just say: "well, it was nice to meet you *insert name*" and you make up some bogus excuse to get away "but now I have to go feed my dead cat".

Well... It was nice meeting you Etaniel but now I have to go feed my dead cat.

Have you ever met someone that throws around pathetic insults because they are incapable of constructing an effective counter to someone else's post?

Hi, @iseko

Garion wrote: »

iseko wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

iseko wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Wasn't sure if i should take the time to reply to just a deluded post but here it goes. Taking a keep at night isn't really the issue here, It's PvDoor with multiple trains when a locked faction is against very minimal resistance, And it's not just the odd keep, It's painting the entire map red.

Personally i don't care if you try cap keeps and if it's at least a decent fight, But PvDoor then an entire map being red is why both factions aimed at you, It didn't even come from some kind of master plan. It happened because people have had enough.

Yes your angry.

Say what you want, we alll know the truth, and this green alliance come naturaly? rly? Why you not lead your "anty one color" crusade at Azura, or you like yelow more than red ? Very minimal resistance you say? Then why DC was pushed bck to their home keeps and lose both scrolls in prime time last few days? (all factions was locked) and even help DC recieved from AD cant prevent it? Lets say for the moment you are 100% right. You know what will happens in the end. Most of EP already quit or move to AD or DC. So in the end we will have one blue Thorn and one yellow Azura. Think this is better ? So you try to fix things by making them worse. " Personally i don't care if you try cap keeps and if it's at least a decent fight" yes this was true, long ago. Now you just copy Shindo`s tactic because there is no other way to win.

You make zero sense mate. The green alliance did come naturally...Of course we like yellows more than reds, isn't that obvious??? It's subject to change evidently... Started from a red map to a yellow/blue map, I don't see how it's making it worse, on the contrary, the map isn't controlled by one faction now
And stop your dumb hate campaign against eXile

as i do agree with you he´s not completly wrong.
the problem are actually the night cappers of all three alliances avoiding each other. it doesent matter if AD night cap simultanious with 3 bars on Azura & Haderus a poplocked DC on Chill or a poplocked EP Thorn. the problem actually is them avoiding each other. and that is happening. the only way to break this is by forcing players to fight each other instead of guards on otherwise empty campaigns.
so personaly i would disable listing/travel to players for any but one campaign starting at 2o`clock in the morning until 12 o`clock(maybe with an exception at weekands and on celebration days) while the guards on those "shut" campaigns become stronger and stronger until they reach an unbeatable demigod niveau.

Well the problem is the DC and AD guilds that nightcap on other campaigns do so because it's their home.. So they're not travelling there as guests. On the contrary, if for example lets say AD is nightcapping Azura, and some blues are on chillrend and are bored, they should be able to travel to azura to get some PvP action and attempt to prevent the nightcap.

tbh, i see it as a lesser problem if DC or AD nightcaps on other campaigns than thorn, and I wouldn't mind if EP did either.

It's a problem to me when it's done on a competitive campaign like thorn. (I'm not saying that the other campaigns aren't competitive, but they are less than TB). The pve guilds will always want their buff campaigns, or easy campaign wins for the master gear, but it sucks that the most competitive campaign which is Thorn is plagued by nightcappers who don't bring anything to the competition aside from an unfair advantage and a single color map in the morning.

For me, Thorn is the only campaign where winning means something. Out of all of them, it's the most populated around the clock, and there are usually guilds on each sides so it's rather balanced. (what alliances are made from there is another matter), so the other campaigns are for me just a big battleground where i can get some PvP without thiking about the faction leaderboard. Which is why nightcappers on these campaigns aren't a big issue for me. But then that's totally personnal, i'm sure some guilds pride themsleves on playing those campaigns and suffer from the nightcaps too, but I don't think they represent as much people as the thorn player base.
There are three other campaigns aside from thorn, one for each faction, I don't see why EP or anyone else for that matter wouldn't do their nightcapping somewhere else

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Have you ever met someone who seemed ordinary but when they say something you realise instantly that he is a complete ass. However due to social conventions/rules you can't really say anything about it. So you just say: "well, it was nice to meet you *insert name*" and you make up some bogus excuse to get away "but now I have to go feed my dead cat".

Well... It was nice meeting you Etaniel but now I have to go feed my dead cat.

Have you ever met someone that throws around pathetic insults because they are incapable of constructing an effective counter to someone else's post?

Hi, @iseko

There is no counter to that asinine comment. Thorn is the only competitive campaign? The sheer arrogance of that statement is mind boggling.

Perhaps it would have been better to say "Thorn is the most consistently competitive campaign". In that respect he would be correct. It is always the first to reach high populations, it's high populations stay high longer than any other campaign and - at least historically - it was always the least one sided (excluding of course the small hours). In terms of population and scoring it probably is the most competitive, and the campaign that most people have a vested interest in (beyond buffs and easy points / emperorship).

It's easy enough to see the point Etaniel was making though, even without the above explanation. If you are going to accuse someone of posting an asinine comment, don't counter with something that is equally puerile

Edit: Noted that you've edited your post. I understand your point, but equally I see the point Etaniel trying to make although agree it could have been explained with a little clarity. I still stand by my above point though. Etaniel has at least made an effort to post a detailed post reflecting his opinion. If you disagree strongly, then disagree in a way that doesn't make it seem as if you are just throwing your toys out of the pram. You clearly have a point that you and probably many others consider very valid, you could (read: should) present it in a different way.

iseko wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

iseko wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Wasn't sure if i should take the time to reply to just a deluded post but here it goes. Taking a keep at night isn't really the issue here, It's PvDoor with multiple trains when a locked faction is against very minimal resistance, And it's not just the odd keep, It's painting the entire map red.

Personally i don't care if you try cap keeps and if it's at least a decent fight, But PvDoor then an entire map being red is why both factions aimed at you, It didn't even come from some kind of master plan. It happened because people have had enough.

Yes your angry.

Say what you want, we alll know the truth, and this green alliance come naturaly? rly? Why you not lead your "anty one color" crusade at Azura, or you like yelow more than red ? Very minimal resistance you say? Then why DC was pushed bck to their home keeps and lose both scrolls in prime time last few days? (all factions was locked) and even help DC recieved from AD cant prevent it? Lets say for the moment you are 100% right. You know what will happens in the end. Most of EP already quit or move to AD or DC. So in the end we will have one blue Thorn and one yellow Azura. Think this is better ? So you try to fix things by making them worse. " Personally i don't care if you try cap keeps and if it's at least a decent fight" yes this was true, long ago. Now you just copy Shindo`s tactic because there is no other way to win.

You make zero sense mate. The green alliance did come naturally...Of course we like yellows more than reds, isn't that obvious??? It's subject to change evidently... Started from a red map to a yellow/blue map, I don't see how it's making it worse, on the contrary, the map isn't controlled by one faction now
And stop your dumb hate campaign against eXile

as i do agree with you he´s not completly wrong.
the problem are actually the night cappers of all three alliances avoiding each other. it doesent matter if AD night cap simultanious with 3 bars on Azura & Haderus a poplocked DC on Chill or a poplocked EP Thorn. the problem actually is them avoiding each other. and that is happening. the only way to break this is by forcing players to fight each other instead of guards on otherwise empty campaigns.
so personaly i would disable listing/travel to players for any but one campaign starting at 2o`clock in the morning until 12 o`clock(maybe with an exception at weekands and on celebration days) while the guards on those "shut" campaigns become stronger and stronger until they reach an unbeatable demigod niveau.

Well the problem is the DC and AD guilds that nightcap on other campaigns do so because it's their home.. So they're not travelling there as guests. On the contrary, if for example lets say AD is nightcapping Azura, and some blues are on chillrend and are bored, they should be able to travel to azura to get some PvP action and attempt to prevent the nightcap.

tbh, i see it as a lesser problem if DC or AD nightcaps on other campaigns than thorn, and I wouldn't mind if EP did either.

It's a problem to me when it's done on a competitive campaign like thorn. (I'm not saying that the other campaigns aren't competitive, but they are less than TB). The pve guilds will always want their buff campaigns, or easy campaign wins for the master gear, but it sucks that the most competitive campaign which is Thorn is plagued by nightcappers who don't bring anything to the competition aside from an unfair advantage and a single color map in the morning.

For me, Thorn is the only campaign where winning means something. Out of all of them, it's the most populated around the clock, and there are usually guilds on each sides so it's rather balanced. (what alliances are made from there is another matter), so the other campaigns are for me just a big battleground where i can get some PvP without thiking about the faction leaderboard. Which is why nightcappers on these campaigns aren't a big issue for me. But then that's totally personnal, i'm sure some guilds pride themsleves on playing those campaigns and suffer from the nightcaps too, but I don't think they represent as much people as the thorn player base.
There are three other campaigns aside from thorn, one for each faction, I don't see why EP or anyone else for that matter wouldn't do their nightcapping somewhere else

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Have you ever met someone who seemed ordinary but when they say something you realise instantly that he is a complete ass. However due to social conventions/rules you can't really say anything about it. So you just say: "well, it was nice to meet you *insert name*" and you make up some bogus excuse to get away "but now I have to go feed my dead cat".

Well... It was nice meeting you Etaniel but now I have to go feed my dead cat.

Have you ever met someone that throws around pathetic insults because they are incapable of constructing an effective counter to someone else's post?

Hi, @iseko

There is no counter to that asinine comment. Thorn is the only competitive campaign? The sheer arrogance of that statement is mind boggling. Why not just delete all the other campaigns then? Other guilds fighting for their respective campaigns are basically beneath the thornblade guilds. Some people avoid thornblade because they don't want to join the aoe lagtrains. People are constantly complaining on these forums about lag and lagtrains and zergs. Thornblade is the posterboy campaign of that behaviour.

Anyone who wants to pvp, take keeps and win campaigns without resorting to those tactics are basically idiots because... yeuy thornblade? That is INCREDIBLY insulting. Worse then any pathetic insult I could come up with.

Cinbri wrote: »

There is no guild raids in this game, only lag zergs
I love Thorn. Even running solo around map is making you zerger in the eyes of enemy

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Tankqull wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

AbraXuSeXile wrote: »

Wasn't sure if i should take the time to reply to just a deluded post but here it goes. Taking a keep at night isn't really the issue here, It's PvDoor with multiple trains when a locked faction is against very minimal resistance, And it's not just the odd keep, It's painting the entire map red.

Personally i don't care if you try cap keeps and if it's at least a decent fight, But PvDoor then an entire map being red is why both factions aimed at you, It didn't even come from some kind of master plan. It happened because people have had enough.

Yes your angry.

Say what you want, we alll know the truth, and this green alliance come naturaly? rly? Why you not lead your "anty one color" crusade at Azura, or you like yelow more than red ? Very minimal resistance you say? Then why DC was pushed bck to their home keeps and lose both scrolls in prime time last few days? (all factions was locked) and even help DC recieved from AD cant prevent it? Lets say for the moment you are 100% right. You know what will happens in the end. Most of EP already quit or move to AD or DC. So in the end we will have one blue Thorn and one yellow Azura. Think this is better ? So you try to fix things by making them worse. " Personally i don't care if you try cap keeps and if it's at least a decent fight" yes this was true, long ago. Now you just copy Shindo`s tactic because there is no other way to win.

You make zero sense mate. The green alliance did come naturally...Of course we like yellows more than reds, isn't that obvious??? It's subject to change evidently... Started from a red map to a yellow/blue map, I don't see how it's making it worse, on the contrary, the map isn't controlled by one faction now
And stop your dumb hate campaign against eXile

as i do agree with you he´s not completly wrong.
the problem are actually the night cappers of all three alliances avoiding each other. it doesent matter if AD night cap simultanious with 3 bars on Azura & Haderus a poplocked DC on Chill or a poplocked EP Thorn. the problem actually is them avoiding each other. and that is happening. the only way to break this is by forcing players to fight each other instead of guards on otherwise empty campaigns.
so personaly i would disable listing/travel to players for any but one campaign starting at 2o`clock in the morning until 12 o`clock(maybe with an exception at weekands and on celebration days) while the guards on those "shut" campaigns become stronger and stronger until they reach an unbeatable demigod niveau.

Well the problem is the DC and AD guilds that nightcap on other campaigns do so because it's their home.. So they're not travelling there as guests. On the contrary, if for example lets say AD is nightcapping Azura, and some blues are on chillrend and are bored, they should be able to travel to azura to get some PvP action and attempt to prevent the nightcap.

tbh, i see it as a lesser problem if DC or AD nightcaps on other campaigns than thorn, and I wouldn't mind if EP did either.

It's a problem to me when it's done on a competitive campaign like thorn. (I'm not saying that the other campaigns aren't competitive, but they are less than TB). The pve guilds will always want their buff campaigns, or easy campaign wins for the master gear, but it sucks that the most competitive campaign which is Thorn is plagued by nightcappers who don't bring anything to the competition aside from an unfair advantage and a single color map in the morning.

For me, Thorn is the only campaign where winning means something. Out of all of them, it's the most populated around the clock, and there are usually guilds on each sides so it's rather balanced. (what alliances are made from there is another matter), so the other campaigns are for me just a big battleground where i can get some PvP without thiking about the faction leaderboard. Which is why nightcappers on these campaigns aren't a big issue for me. But then that's totally personnal, i'm sure some guilds pride themsleves on playing those campaigns and suffer from the nightcaps too, but I don't think they represent as much people as the thorn player base.
There are three other campaigns aside from thorn, one for each faction, I don't see why EP or anyone else for that matter wouldn't do their nightcapping somewhere else

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They nightcap on Thorn, because the only reason is to win that campaign that always was the most constantly competitive one. I do remember a lot of people actually wanted to play on Azura's Star when it was invented to suffer less from the lag. But it was simply to empty most of the time, at least on the other factions.
Thornblade used to have the most guilds on enemy factions and the EP who are nightcapping nowadays started it to not lose too many points during nighttime, the same "excuse" so many players on all factions give.

Most EP are playing on Thornblade, either for the mentioned reason or because more TB players tend to avoid the zerg and engage in small scale fights, like myself. When I try that on other campaigns, it's either farming players without a clue of the game outside prime time, or in the evening, getting rolled because the zerg is now anywhere from 50-100 players strong.
I'm talking about the spread out random zerg here. Both on Thorn and any other campaign except Blackwater Blade maybe, you have zergballs that are even less fun to fight against.

So in the end a campaign is being dominated by one faction because the others mainly left, letting EP nightcap without any real opposing force. Given that many EP left as well, first TB than the game, EP's population on TB may have been a reason for more severe imbalance when populations dropped further, too.
Other enemy guild(s) come to Thorn to "teach the EP nightcappers a lesson", AD and DC team up, DC wins the first time.
It's not even a very special campaign period when you look on it from a more objective perspective besides that DC didn't win before.

I think a lot of people really need some kind of reality check by now.

I just wonder who the *** still cares enough about winning 30k gold that you would start raids up at 7am / raid until 4am for the sake of the map. Thats who needs a reality check.

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Wasn't sure if i should take the time to reply to just a deluded post but here it goes. Taking a keep at night isn't really the issue here, It's PvDoor with multiple trains when a locked faction is against very minimal resistance, And it's not just the odd keep, It's painting the entire map red.

Personally i don't care if you try cap keeps and if it's at least a decent fight, But PvDoor then an entire map being red is why both factions aimed at you, It didn't even come from some kind of master plan. It happened because people have had enough.

Yes your angry.

Say what you want, we alll know the truth, and this green alliance come naturaly? rly? Why you not lead your "anty one color" crusade at Azura, or you like yelow more than red ? Very minimal resistance you say? Then why DC was pushed bck to their home keeps and lose both scrolls in prime time last few days? (all factions was locked) and even help DC recieved from AD cant prevent it? Lets say for the moment you are 100% right. You know what will happens in the end. Most of EP already quit or move to AD or DC. So in the end we will have one blue Thorn and one yellow Azura. Think this is better ? So you try to fix things by making them worse. " Personally i don't care if you try cap keeps and if it's at least a decent fight" yes this was true, long ago. Now you just copy Shindo`s tactic because there is no other way to win.

You make zero sense mate. The green alliance did come naturally...Of course we like yellows more than reds, isn't that obvious??? It's subject to change evidently... Started from a red map to a yellow/blue map, I don't see how it's making it worse, on the contrary, the map isn't controlled by one faction now
And stop your dumb hate campaign against eXile

as i do agree with you he´s not completly wrong.
the problem are actually the night cappers of all three alliances avoiding each other. it doesent matter if AD night cap simultanious with 3 bars on Azura & Haderus a poplocked DC on Chill or a poplocked EP Thorn. the problem actually is them avoiding each other. and that is happening. the only way to break this is by forcing players to fight each other instead of guards on otherwise empty campaigns.
so personaly i would disable listing/travel to players for any but one campaign starting at 2o`clock in the morning until 12 o`clock(maybe with an exception at weekands and on celebration days) while the guards on those "shut" campaigns become stronger and stronger until they reach an unbeatable demigod niveau.

Well the problem is the DC and AD guilds that nightcap on other campaigns do so because it's their home.. So they're not travelling there as guests. On the contrary, if for example lets say AD is nightcapping Azura, and some blues are on chillrend and are bored, they should be able to travel to azura to get some PvP action and attempt to prevent the nightcap.

tbh, i see it as a lesser problem if DC or AD nightcaps on other campaigns than thorn, and I wouldn't mind if EP did either.

It's a problem to me when it's done on a competitive campaign like thorn. (I'm not saying that the other campaigns aren't competitive, but they are less than TB). The pve guilds will always want their buff campaigns, or easy campaign wins for the master gear, but it sucks that the most competitive campaign which is Thorn is plagued by nightcappers who don't bring anything to the competition aside from an unfair advantage and a single color map in the morning.

For me, Thorn is the only campaign where winning means something. Out of all of them, it's the most populated around the clock, and there are usually guilds on each sides so it's rather balanced. (what alliances are made from there is another matter), so the other campaigns are for me just a big battleground where i can get some PvP without thiking about the faction leaderboard. Which is why nightcappers on these campaigns aren't a big issue for me. But then that's totally personnal, i'm sure some guilds pride themsleves on playing those campaigns and suffer from the nightcaps too, but I don't think they represent as much people as the thorn player base.
There are three other campaigns aside from thorn, one for each faction, I don't see why EP or anyone else for that matter wouldn't do their nightcapping somewhere else

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They nightcap on Thorn, because the only reason is to win that campaign that always was the most constantly competitive one. I do remember a lot of people actually wanted to play on Azura's Star when it was invented to suffer less from the lag. But it was simply to empty most of the time, at least on the other factions.
Thornblade used to have the most guilds on enemy factions and the EP who are nightcapping nowadays started it to not lose too many points during nighttime, the same "excuse" so many players on all factions give.

Most EP are playing on Thornblade, either for the mentioned reason or because more TB players tend to avoid the zerg and engage in small scale fights, like myself. When I try that on other campaigns, it's either farming players without a clue of the game outside prime time, or in the evening, getting rolled because the zerg is now anywhere from 50-100 players strong.
I'm talking about the spread out random zerg here. Both on Thorn and any other campaign except Blackwater Blade maybe, you have zergballs that are even less fun to fight against.

So in the end a campaign is being dominated by one faction because the others mainly left, letting EP nightcap without any real opposing force. Given that many EP left as well, first TB than the game, EP's population on TB may have been a reason for more severe imbalance when populations dropped further, too.
Other enemy guild(s) come to Thorn to "teach the EP nightcappers a lesson", AD and DC team up, DC wins the first time.
It's not even a very special campaign period when you look on it from a more objective perspective besides that DC didn't win before.

I think a lot of people really need some kind of reality check by now.

I just wonder who the *** still cares enough about winning 30k gold that you would start raids up at 7am / raid until 4am for the sake of the map. Thats who needs a reality check.

Hard to believe you don't actually know the answer already - winning the campaign is the goal because objective PvP is what they want to play.
I don't care about your rank either, that doesn't mean you shouldn't have set yourself that goal.

But, if they want to play objectives, they probably want to feel some kind of accomplishment no? I mean, who doesn't prefer fighting hard over a keep and earning your victory after a hard battle rather than flooding it with a 30 man raid at 5 am????? The way I see it it's just like playing a fps game with an aimbot, yeah you're gonna win, but do you feel any satisfaction?