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washlov✭✭✭Saltypretzels wrote: »Wow, ESO lost its integrity a lot faster than I thought it would.
Obviously everyone has their own definition of what P2W is. Mine is that if someone can pay real money and get stronger faster than me, it is P2W. The XP pots qualify. I don't care if all MMOs do it. I don't like it when they do it either.
Another reason to not return to the game. I keep holding this unrealistic hope that ESO will become the game they first advertised two years, which is why I keep wandering back to these forums.
Your definition is wrong. Even then, these aren't on the crown store as of now, so it's also irrelevant. Once they are, then maybe, but considering these are available ingame, they are not pay to win in the slightest.
its P2W get it
in crownstore you can buy the pots instant and farm.........make the pots ingame costs ingametime(gold or craft)so the boost is worthless....
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✭✭✭Saltypretzels wrote: »Wow, ESO lost its integrity a lot faster than I thought it would.
Obviously everyone has their own definition of what P2W is. Mine is that if someone can pay real money and get stronger faster than me, it is P2W. The XP pots qualify. I don't care if all MMOs do it. I don't like it when they do it either.
Another reason to not return to the game. I keep holding this unrealistic hope that ESO will become the game they first advertised two years, which is why I keep wandering back to these forums.
Your definition is wrong. Even then, these aren't on the crown store as of now, so it's also irrelevant. Once they are, then maybe, but considering these are available ingame, they are not pay to win in the slightest.
its P2W get it
in crownstore you can buy the pots instant and farm.........make the pots ingame costs ingametime(gold or craft)so the boost is worthless....
I am done arguing this. Your views on things are clearly as skewed as they can be, so I'm just going to back out right now and let you rave on and on about how this game is going to the P2W dogs.Valrien Dravic -- Level 50 Dunmeri Sorcerer (EP)
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washlov✭✭✭Saltypretzels wrote: »Wow, ESO lost its integrity a lot faster than I thought it would.
Obviously everyone has their own definition of what P2W is. Mine is that if someone can pay real money and get stronger faster than me, it is P2W. The XP pots qualify. I don't care if all MMOs do it. I don't like it when they do it either.
Another reason to not return to the game. I keep holding this unrealistic hope that ESO will become the game they first advertised two years, which is why I keep wandering back to these forums.
Your definition is wrong. Even then, these aren't on the crown store as of now, so it's also irrelevant. Once they are, then maybe, but considering these are available ingame, they are not pay to win in the slightest.
its P2W get it
in crownstore you can buy the pots instant and farm.........make the pots ingame costs ingametime(gold or craft)so the boost is worthless....
I am done arguing this. Your views on things are clearly as skewed as they can be, so I'm just going to back out right now and let you rave on and on about how this game is going to the P2W dogs.
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THANK YOU! I can't see why people don't understand this. I see people making so many "P2W" posts and the closest thing to P2W in this game is Imperial, and perhaps not even then.
Because the people making these p2w posts have never played a REAL p2w game before, thats why.
Exactly. Its a hot button term that people know will get responses and send people blindly into rages without ever stopping to assess what is being coined P2W.
This thread is a prime example of this.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax1 -
Sharakor✭✭✭Well this thread was surely dumb, I don't think he's even noticed how its not pay to win yet lols0
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Lykurgis✭✭✭kevlarto_ESO wrote: »You have to get the components to craft them at this point, you do not buy them in the store, so p2w does not yet apply, /sigh
Oh man, ofcourse it is P2W. The DROPRATE of those materials is 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%
so you are baically forced to buy those things from crownstore if you ever want too see 1
Like Dwemer Motif books? How long before other things with the same drop rate (warlock rings, skoria helms) occupy the crown store lol.We Kill Bosses (NA Server, AD)
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✭Saltypretzels wrote: »Wow, ESO lost its integrity a lot faster than I thought it would.
Obviously everyone has their own definition of what P2W is. Mine is that if someone can pay real money and get stronger faster than me, it is P2W. The XP pots qualify. I don't care if all MMOs do it. I don't like it when they do it either.
Another reason to not return to the game. I keep holding this unrealistic hope that ESO will become the game they first advertised two years, which is why I keep wandering back to these forums.
Your definition is wrong. Even then, these aren't on the crown store as of now, so it's also irrelevant. Once they are, then maybe, but considering these are available ingame, they are not pay to win in the slightest.
its P2W get it
in crownstore you can buy the pots instant and farm.........make the pots ingame costs ingametime(gold or craft)so the boost is worthless....
The P2W crowd told me I would win by purchasing horse training so I must have won by now and don't need potions......1 -
I don't see how an xp booster is considered pay 2 win, all it does is help people level faster. What am I winning by reaching VR14 faster than someone else?
this.
its an xp pot. so? The only thing I'm mad about is that it wasn't available when i was grinding my second toon to vet levels.
it gives you more cp points = more power = pay to win !Meh!2 -
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✭✭If I recall we can also make these potions. So how is it a P2W if we can make it in game? Cause What I'm seeing is either buy a factory product which is the easiest option or make it home made which is harder but worth it. That is honestly how I see the crown store is just a factory so to speak cause most of the stuff in there we can either get such as motifs or make such as the food and potions. Only thing really crown only are the mounts and costumes and they don't effect game play at all.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I just don't see what there is to win
Anyone can level, anyone can save gold to buy items. Anyone that takes the time to level provisioning as well as putting points into it that they could have used in any other skill tree deserves to make awesome food and drinks and they take time to invest time to do writs and gather ingredients. It's silly to say this game has went P2W. Even if these went to the crown store, it would only benefit lazies with money to burn. And these drinks can be bought in guild stores once they start being made. Just relax and either earn stuff or buy what you don't want to make. CPs are easy to get if you put the time and effort into them. Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!1 -
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✭This indeeed suck, so they made this game a race. Also I cant understand why its only 30 min, its nothing literally. No rest for the wicked. Such a fail.
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So in other words nothings really changed.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax1 -
NobleNerd✭✭✭✭There is gong to be a Crown Store version of the XP drink, but this still does not make it pay to win by my standards.
If anything it just brings the xp grind down to where it should have been in the first place. Pay to win would be if you only could buy something like this in the Crown Store and even then it is more pay for convenience.0 -
Rhakon✭✭✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »
THANK YOU! I can't see why people don't understand this. I see people making so many "P2W" posts and the closest thing to P2W in this game is Imperial, and perhaps not even then.
Because the people making these p2w posts have never played a REAL p2w game before, thats why.
Exactly. Its a hot button term that people know will get responses and send people blindly into rages without ever stopping to assess what is being coined P2W.
This thread is a prime example of this.Well this thread was surely dumb, I don't think he's even noticed how its not pay to win yet lolsThe OP obviously doesn't know what he is talking about. This thread should be locked.
rly are you paid to defend P2W definition and legetimate this player seperating Moneygrabbing Systems.
there are so much other possibilitys to make money. Championssystem and XP boosters is P2W.
Championssystem was only made for this, it gives us nothing then a seperated community an imbalaced PVP.
is ther any positive about this? no?
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✭✭✭There is gong to be a Crown Store version of the XP drink, but this still does not make it pay to win by my standards.
If anything it just brings the xp grind down to where it should have been in the first place. Pay to win would be if you only could buy something like this in the Crown Store and even then it is more pay for convenience.
I call it pay to skip.
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washlov✭✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »If I recall we can also make these potions. So how is it a P2W if we can make it in game? Cause What I'm seeing is either buy a factory product which is the easiest option or make it home made which is harder but worth it. That is honestly how I see the crown store is just a factory so to speak cause most of the stuff in there we can either get such as motifs or make such as the food and potions. Only thing really crown only are the mounts and costumes and they don't effect game play at all.
in crownstore you can buy the pots instant and farm.........make the pots ingame costs ingametime(gold or craft)so the boost is worthless....Sheezabeast wrote: »I just don't see what there is to win Anyone can level, anyone can save gold to buy items. Anyone that takes the time to level provisioning as well as putting points into it that they could have used in any other skill tree deserves to make awesome food and drinks and they take time to invest time to do writs and gather ingredients. It's silly to say this game has went P2W. Even if these went to the crown store, it would only benefit lazies with money to burn. And these drinks can be bought in guild stores once they start being made. Just relax and either earn stuff or buy what you don't want to make. CPs are easy to get if you put the time and effort into them.
without champion system there would be no P2W only get faster V14 which not is a big deal but deal more dmg cause saving time is clear P2W
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✭✭✭✭The fact they put XP potions into the game is just sad
either buy them in crown store, or put them behind a stupid RNG grind, most people will simply buy them.
its not p2w in the traditional sense, its just marketing with the appearance of choice. Most folks will buy the pots with crowns, they wont wait for folks to get them and put the on guild stores. I could go on a long post why, but I wont...lets just say I have far more about marketing then I wish I would have. Its just putting something in the store that is far easier to buy then obtain, its the only way they would sell.any.Edited by RinaldoGandolphi on June 15, 2015 6:12PMRinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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✭✭✭Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »If I recall we can also make these potions. So how is it a P2W if we can make it in game? Cause What I'm seeing is either buy a factory product which is the easiest option or make it home made which is harder but worth it. That is honestly how I see the crown store is just a factory so to speak cause most of the stuff in there we can either get such as motifs or make such as the food and potions. Only thing really crown only are the mounts and costumes and they don't effect game play at all.
in crownstore you can buy the pots instant and farm.........make the pots ingame costs ingametime(gold or craft)so the boost is worthless....Sheezabeast wrote: »I just don't see what there is to win Anyone can level, anyone can save gold to buy items. Anyone that takes the time to level provisioning as well as putting points into it that they could have used in any other skill tree deserves to make awesome food and drinks and they take time to invest time to do writs and gather ingredients. It's silly to say this game has went P2W. Even if these went to the crown store, it would only benefit lazies with money to burn. And these drinks can be bought in guild stores once they start being made. Just relax and either earn stuff or buy what you don't want to make. CPs are easy to get if you put the time and effort into them.
without champion system there would be no P2W only get faster V14 which not is a big deal but deal mor dmg cause saving time is clear P2W
The entire point of the store is convenience, XP pots are like that. You can spend the time make them yourself or if you dont want to be bothered you can buy them for crowns. Thats convenience. Also when you make the pots in game you get more of them so they can last longer than purchasing them. All you have to do is max out provisioning. Which is a simple thing to do btw.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Have you not seen how many people whine about the V1 to V14 grind? People have been begging for an adjustment, this drink is a legitimate attempt from Zos and I don't say that very often if ever haha
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Rhakon✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »If I recall we can also make these potions. So how is it a P2W if we can make it in game? Cause What I'm seeing is either buy a factory product which is the easiest option or make it home made which is harder but worth it. That is honestly how I see the crown store is just a factory so to speak cause most of the stuff in there we can either get such as motifs or make such as the food and potions. Only thing really crown only are the mounts and costumes and they don't effect game play at all.
in crownstore you can buy the pots instant and farm.........make the pots ingame costs ingametime(gold or craft)so the boost is worthless....Sheezabeast wrote: »I just don't see what there is to win Anyone can level, anyone can save gold to buy items. Anyone that takes the time to level provisioning as well as putting points into it that they could have used in any other skill tree deserves to make awesome food and drinks and they take time to invest time to do writs and gather ingredients. It's silly to say this game has went P2W. Even if these went to the crown store, it would only benefit lazies with money to burn. And these drinks can be bought in guild stores once they start being made. Just relax and either earn stuff or buy what you don't want to make. CPs are easy to get if you put the time and effort into them.
without champion system there would be no P2W only get faster V14 which not is a big deal but deal mor dmg cause saving time is clear P2W
The entire point of the store is convenience, XP pots are like that. You can spend the time make them yourself or if you dont want to be bothered you can buy them for crowns. Thats convenience. Also when you make the pots in game you get more of them so they can last longer than purchasing them. All you have to do is max out provisioning. Which is a simple thing to do btw.
Ofcourse its convenience, but the Championssystem makes this P2W.
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✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Have you not seen how many people whine about the V1 to V14 grind? People have been begging for an adjustment, this drink is a legitimate attempt from Zos and I don't say that very often if ever haha D
A legitimate attempt at what? Instead of adjusting their game, they add something to make even more money...0 -
washlov✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »The entire point of the store is convenience, XP pots are like that. You can spend the time make them yourself or if you dont want to be bothered you can buy them for crowns. Thats convenience. Also when you make the pots in game you get more of them so they can last longer than purchasing them. All you have to do is max out provisioning. Which is a simple thing to do btw.
why you defend P2W or you hope it's not P2W?
there a n extra resource for the pots so its all controlled by zos and not the free market and it will be the most expensive pots
again they will be senseless if you have to spend ingametime for them to getEdited by washlov on June 15, 2015 5:40PM2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Have you not seen how many people whine about the V1 to V14 grind? People have been begging for an adjustment, this drink is a legitimate attempt from Zos and I don't say that very often if ever haha D
A legitimate attempt at what? Instead of adjusting their game, they add something to make even more money...
They may remove VR ranks like it's been rumored. Also they can't please everyone.....if someone is lazy enough to actually buy any of the crown store food or drinks maybe they need the boost ;D they may not be very bright since the crafted items do more and don't cost real money
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✭✭✭✭✭It's not pay to win really. Its just another way that those who have time can get even further ahead than thoe that dont. Then again, if the materials are as rare as they say, you probably could grind out more XP than the potion will net you by playing rather than fishing. Then you rely on buying them with cash or gold from someone else so you better have deep pockets IRL or in game either way.1 -
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✭✭✭jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »The entire point of the store is convenience, XP pots are like that. You can spend the time make them yourself or if you dont want to be bothered you can buy them for crowns. Thats convenience. Also when you make the pots in game you get more of them so they can last longer than purchasing them. All you have to do is max out provisioning. Which is a simple thing to do btw.
why you defend P2W or you hope it's not P2W?
there a n extra resource for the pots so its all controlled by zos and not the free market and it will be the most expensive pots
again they will be senseless if you have to spend ingametime for them to get
I know its not pay to win. Pay to win again the 1000th time means the only option is PAYING. I dont know how I can make it any clearer. Also you act like ZOS is some charity. Of course they want to make money. In a B2P or F2P world the cash shops are full of what I like to call pay to skip items. For example the xp pots dont give you xp. you have to actually go out and earn the xp you just get more of it. Same as people who pay for plus and people who paid for explorers pack to get ring of mara. Yet noone calls plus membership pay to win.
So to your definition they should sell nothing on the store but cosmetics. They should charge nothing per month either. How about like imperial race is that also pay to win?0 -
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✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Have you not seen how many people whine about the V1 to V14 grind? People have been begging for an adjustment, this drink is a legitimate attempt from Zos and I don't say that very often if ever haha D
A legitimate attempt at what? Instead of adjusting their game, they add something to make even more money...
They may remove VR ranks like it's been rumored. Also they can't please everyone.....if someone is lazy enough to actually buy any of the crown store food or drinks maybe they need the boost ;D they may not be very bright since the crafted items do more and don't cost real money
•Taken together, someone who is both a fully-ranked Brewer and Connoisseur creating Psijic Ambrosia for their own use will get a total of three hours and twenty minutes of Experience boost from a single crafting of the recipe.
Crafted ones only last longer for those craft for their own use, not purchased off the guild traders or given to by a friend/guildie.Edited by nastuug on June 15, 2015 5:47PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sheezabeast wrote: »Sheezabeast wrote: »Have you not seen how many people whine about the V1 to V14 grind? People have been begging for an adjustment, this drink is a legitimate attempt from Zos and I don't say that very often if ever haha D
A legitimate attempt at what? Instead of adjusting their game, they add something to make even more money...
They may remove VR ranks like it's been rumored. Also they can't please everyone.....if someone is lazy enough to actually buy any of the crown store food or drinks maybe they need the boost ;D they may not be very bright since the crafted items do more and don't cost real money
•Taken together, someone who is both a fully-ranked Brewer and Connoisseur creating Psijic Ambrosia for their own use will get a total of three hours and twenty minutes of Experience boost from a single crafting of the recipe.
Crafted ones only last longer for those craft for their own use, not purchased off the guild traders or given to by a friend/guildie.
That's awesome for dedicated provisioners They still have to go out and earn that xp, if it just gave you instant levels I could empathize more. This is just how I see it. Grand Master Crafter, Beta baby who grew with the game. PC/NA. @Sheezabeast if you have crafting needs!0