Why is console better than PC? :(

SturgeHammer · June 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

From what I've seen so far, PvP on console has hundreds of players on screen with no FPS drops. Perfect smooth gameplay. No lag. No annoying bugs. Players can operate their siege without it bugging out etc. All campaigns are locked during prime time... Looks like a blast in comparison to PC.

Congratulations ZOS for getting something right for once, but why can't we get these results on PC?

Wait a while until most players have reached VR14. As you might remember, PvP on the PC also ran fine in the beginning.

It is sort of mimicking PC BWB pvp right now. Whatever is causing the lag doesn't seem to happen in servers populated by mostly non-vets. This leads me to believe that it is directly connected to either a alliance war skill, high level class skill, some mages/fighters/undaunted skill, or a high level item set as none of these are easily obtainable at low levels.

lostavalon · June 2015

there has still been lag in ps4 from when i was playing it earlier today, got kicked from game twice brcause of it, there are still the same bugs just like on pc, it seems all they had done is copy the pc version and just change the UI? the smooth gameplay from them videos i would say is because 99% of them dont no what they are doing, nearly all the ppl j knocked down from frags dodnt even break free, the amount of ppl that i fought that looked like they would press a skill then would stop n look at there controller to see what to press next or something. just give it month or so untill ppl click on and find what is good n what isnt, then see how lag is going on consoles,

i bought the transfer hoping that it was gonna be fun, im glad i moved away from consoles cause they are rubbish ^^

Xendyn · June 2015

Ahh such nostalgia
Altho I find myself wanting to zoom the camera back for them lol

It will be interesting to see what happens as they level and get more skills. If they don't get the kind of lag we do at higher levels maybe ZOS can compare and finally start getting some ideas how to fix it for us.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

If everyone had the same exact hardware on PC it would probably be easier to manage. They can optimize the xbox one and ps4 games to the specific hardware in those consoles. With PC you have to balance for 10000 different configurations.

Armitas · June 2015

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

Wait till they get proper aoe skills and they get a clue on what they are doing. I mean, light attacking a keep door? Oh i forgot, they can't tell if they damage it or not

I can imagine 20 siege all hitting a postern door for an hour because they have no feed back on hits. Then some guy gets distracted and misses the door and sees the % go down and realizes "oh we have to not hit the door we are taking down, to take down the door."

Eirella · June 2015

I don't know if it was my network or the server, but I was getting lag on my PS4 a little while ago and there were only a few people around me, so yeah..

Planchard · June 2015

If you think console is better than PC, you haven't played the console version. I transferred my PC account to PS4 to play with my cousins and on average for the last couple nights, we've only been able to play for about 3 hours total with each other. I've averaged about 3 game crashes per night while playing and after each crash, I have to wait 10-15 mins for the queue.

As far as pvp goes, when I went in there with my DK(VR14), all I saw were lvl 10-15's running around light attacking everything. If everyone did this on PC, I'm sure there wouldn't be any lag either. After I killed a group of about 10 AD with minimal effort, I told myself I wouldn't pvp anymore until me and my cousins all reach lvl 15 on our characters.

Overall though, when I've been able to play with my cousins, we've have a lot of fun together. I'm not complaining about any of the issues I've had, just letting everyone know that the grass isn't always greener on the other side...

Samadhi · June 2015

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

There is almost never lag on Blackwater Eu PC, even when all alliances are pop locked and fighting about the last emp keep. So I assume lag is somehow caused by the behavior of veteran rank players.

Blackwater NA never gives me issues.

Personally like to joke that it's because no one in the non-vet campaigns can unlock Meteor.

Samadhi · June 2015

Planchard wrote: »

If you think console is better than PC, you haven't played the console version. I transferred my PC account to PS4 to play with my cousins and on average for the last couple nights, we've only been able to play for about 3 hours total with each other. I've averaged about 3 game crashes per night while playing and after each crash, I have to wait 10-15 mins for the queue.
...

So they brought back PC launch for console players to experience?

God_flakes · June 2015

Leovolao wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Leovolao wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Maybe ZOS can use console data to figure out how to reduce the lag on pv. On the other hand there are no guild trains clashing on console (yet)

But on Pc you have a 8v8 or something and your Fps drops below 30 already..

Frame drops =/= Server lag

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

From what I've seen so far, PvP on console has hundreds of players on screen with no FPS drops. Perfect smooth gameplay. No lag. No annoying bugs. Players can operate their siege without it bugging out etc. All campaigns are locked during prime time... Looks like a blast in comparison to PC.

Congratulations ZOS for getting something right for once, but why can't we get these results on PC?

@Leovolao

Read the marked text. Consoles running at constant or nearly 30 Fps all the time if I understood it correctly, Pc version doesn't.
You can play on lowest options and you still got fps drops, at least in PvP.

Next time I'd suggest you read everything instead of things you want to read.

Haha I posted that before my morning coffee. There are so many people that post without knowing the difference (lol at that thread claiming to fix lag by lowering graphics settings) that I just immediately jump in to correct people.

My bad!

Stick with tea. Coffee is too cool for you.

Isbilen · June 2015

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Isbilen wrote: »

This is wrong, console has the same FPS issues as PC. At least the Xbox version does. I'm going to post a video later today showing you how bad it is. It has however not lagged yet, but that's almost definitely for the reasons others mentioned, people haven't unlocked the right abilities yet.

Will be interested in seeing it. I've spent today watching streams with 60+ players on screen and everything running well, and talking in ts with the people playing (PS4). I think once people start spamming healing springs things will change though.

Presenting the Xbox version:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVajmXnqfeA

DezIsDead · June 2015

I need to fix my xbone and join in the fun

Minno · June 2015

God_flakes wrote: »

JDar wrote: »

Here are some youtube eso console pvp videos from the last 24 hours. Look at the simple playstyle and sheer exhiliration. They have not yet lost their innocence. Some of them don't have the right abilities to match their weapons yet. Wish I could experience that again...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FSUSRjehak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcV3-P24yFA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpYZKIoUirg

OMG i usually hate videos on here but that was priceless! No ram on the gate door and Fire trebs just slinging willy nilly over the wall HAHAHAHAHAHHA!

I kept waiting for meteors and purges. The gameplay is so slow I can't get used to it lol

Zhoyzu · June 2015

Rook_Master wrote: »

I am having a blast with PvP on the consoles, honestly. It kind of reminds me of back in Beta when everyone was super excited just to be out there.

It's a breath of fresh air compared to the stale atmosphere on PC currently.

which was a product of ZoS console expedition. 'ZoS this is completely broken!' "sorry its not a console problem, we may address it in the future"

Xsorus · June 2015

lol, Now here is the most messed up thing about this whole Console thing

just think about this..

This will be the first Massive Scale PvP game a lot of these guys play..This will be their DAOC

Domander · June 2015

Soulac wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Maybe ZOS can use console data to figure out how to reduce the lag on pv. On the other hand there are no guild trains clashing on console (yet)

But on Pc you have a 8v8 or something and your Fps drops below 30 already..

If you have fps issues, lower your settings. The only lag that bothers me in pvp is server side non responsive lag.

Soris · June 2015

Domander wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Maybe ZOS can use console data to figure out how to reduce the lag on pv. On the other hand there are no guild trains clashing on console (yet)

But on Pc you have a 8v8 or something and your Fps drops below 30 already..

If you have fps issues, lower your settings. The only lag that bothers me in pvp is server side non responsive lag.

Lowering your settings don't help. I'm getting exact same fps with everything on and Ultra and everything off and Low in siege battles. It only differs when standing in the middle of nowhere alone. Might be bcs of my pc but I don't have bad rig at all.

Laggus · June 2015

Console currently has Developers developing.

krim · June 2015

krayiss wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

From what I've seen so far, PvP on console has hundreds of players on screen with no FPS drops. Perfect smooth gameplay. No lag. No annoying bugs. Players can operate their siege without it bugging out etc. All campaigns are locked during prime time... Looks like a blast in comparison to PC.

Congratulations ZOS for getting something right for once, but why can't we get these results on PC?

LOL srsly?

Yeah man! Its just like PC release BECAUSE NO ONE KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE DOING. Just this time theres no ultimates

@krayiss

sKorcheD · June 2015

As everyone else said. No zergspam trains plus it looks like Nintendo64 graphics in comparison to PC.

sKorcheD · June 2015

Soris wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Maybe ZOS can use console data to figure out how to reduce the lag on pv. On the other hand there are no guild trains clashing on console (yet)

But on Pc you have a 8v8 or something and your Fps drops below 30 already..

If you have fps issues, lower your settings. The only lag that bothers me in pvp is server side non responsive lag.

Lowering your settings don't help. I'm getting exact same fps with everything on and Ultra and everything off and Low in siege battles. It only differs when standing in the middle of nowhere alone. Might be bcs of my pc but I don't have bad rig at all.

Don't know if you can do this safely or not but on my Intel rig but ESO responds VERY well to cpu overclocking.
Definitely more cpu bound game. My graphics card is overkill, cpu should be too(3770k) but I still gain 12-20 fps going from 3.5ghz to 4.5ghz.

OrphanHelgen · June 2015

Dont forget console actually have a working and well designed group tool

tplink3r1 · June 2015

Funny, my fps NEVER drops below 25. Now, server lag is a real problem for everyone.

Hypertionb14_ESO · June 2015

the reason Console doesnt lag (yet) is because of the lack of ability spam that is typical on PC.

PC lag is almost entirely due to blobs that stack up and spam AOEs constantly... its a lot more data to transmit over the internet and the servers to process.

if you were to put a 5s global cooldown on all abilitys on PC you would see virtually no lag in PvP even with hundreds on the screen.

ijacksparrowed · June 2015

Lava_Croft wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

From what I've seen so far, PvP on console has hundreds of players on screen with no FPS drops. Perfect smooth gameplay. No lag. No annoying bugs. Players can operate their siege without it bugging out etc. All campaigns are locked during prime time... Looks like a blast in comparison to PC.

Congratulations ZOS for getting something right for once, but why can't we get these results on PC?

Wait a while until most players have reached VR14. As you might remember, PvP on the PC also ran fine in the beginning.

You are wrong about PVP running fine at the beginning for PC players lol...Just look at the forums when this game came out.

Xsorus · June 2015

ijacksparrowed wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

From what I've seen so far, PvP on console has hundreds of players on screen with no FPS drops. Perfect smooth gameplay. No lag. No annoying bugs. Players can operate their siege without it bugging out etc. All campaigns are locked during prime time... Looks like a blast in comparison to PC.

Congratulations ZOS for getting something right for once, but why can't we get these results on PC?

Wait a while until most players have reached VR14. As you might remember, PvP on the PC also ran fine in the beginning.

You are wrong about PVP running fine at the beginning for PC players lol...Just look at the forums when this game came out.

Pvp ran pretty good at the beginning before the blobs, and things like the fps bug. Console might do ok since 12 man is the max group size. Pvp might develop on a different path then the pc version. Should actually be interesting to see. I think the fact that caps were in place kind of forced pc ESO outcome toward stacking, a lower group size and aoe caps removed somewhat might alter its course

ItsRejectz · June 2015

I think it's because on console, everyone has the exact same systems, so it's easier to optimize!

After playing on PC for a year, I was saying for a long time that if PC has fps drops as bad as it does, that consoles would cripple...Safe to say I was wrong! After playing console solid this past week,i have been in battles with insane amounts of people in my screen and not once have I had fps drops.
Not going to lie, I'm shocked, I didn't expect it to run as good as it does in consoles.

Bouvin · June 2015

It's because players on Console haven't learned to lagsploit yet.

You don't see big groups of players on console spamming healing springs on the ground with no enemies nearby to lag the server out, then spamming meteors to make it worse, while they throw caltrops and other ground effects that work through the lag.

1/2 the problem is the software, the other 1/2 is guilds who have learned to cause lag and use it to their advantage.

I'm of the assumption that you still have the software problems on Console, you just don't have those certain guilds on console causing the lag intentionally....

frozywozy · June 2015

Soris wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Maybe ZOS can use console data to figure out how to reduce the lag on pv. On the other hand there are no guild trains clashing on console (yet)

But on Pc you have a 8v8 or something and your Fps drops below 30 already..

If you have fps issues, lower your settings. The only lag that bothers me in pvp is server side non responsive lag.

Lowering your settings don't help. I'm getting exact same fps with everything on and Ultra and everything off and Low in siege battles. It only differs when standing in the middle of nowhere alone. Might be bcs of my pc but I don't have bad rig at all.

I confirm, you must either upgrade or change your PC. No reason you should get bad fps. This bug was fixed a long time ago. Even tho the game takes way too much ressources, with a decent computer, you can easily get above 40fps in every situation at medium with shadows at low.

danno8 · June 2015

JDar wrote: »

Here are some youtube eso console pvp videos from the last 24 hours. Look at the simple playstyle and sheer exhiliration. They have not yet lost their innocence. Some of them don't have the right abilities to match their weapons yet. Wish I could experience that again...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FSUSRjehak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcV3-P24yFA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpYZKIoUirg

Three things from watching the videos.

1. All of them had weapon skills on their bars without the right weapon equipped.
2. Zoom out! Like omg!
3. It is no wonder why VR14 transfers are wiping the floor with these guys.
4. Without damage floaters it's no wonder they are attacking walls and doors. It's impossible to tell if you are doing any damage to anything.

Game looks like it plays well though.