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What about the DEAF & HEARING IMPAIRED players? Do you care about them?
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✭Sallington wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »I don't play this game anymore but felt the need to comment on this subject. I was a PC player and have hearing impairment. It wasn't so much an issue due to the text chat of course. I realised that when no chat option was available on console that they basically excluded a whole bunch of people from the game because they have hearing impairment, or are completely deaf. The problem isn't just you sometimes can't hear what people are saying, hearing impairment often comes with sensitivity problems too, so people are either too quiet, or too loud. It would be impossible for me to play this game without text chat, at the best, it would be very uncomfortable. Just one of the smaller reasons I want absolutely nothing to do with any game Zenimax produces now or in the future.
Please share how many games allow for text chat on console? Battlefield, Call of Duty, Madden, FIFA, Xbox party? Stop being so soft on yourself. Many games do not have text chat or offer subtitles. I don't know why so many people are crying for this option. I bet blind people are pissed to....
What possible need would any of those games have for text chat?
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Whendim_ESO✭✭✭I have to agree with Zyrlux. It's a game, not a public utility and the company is not under any obligation to produce a game that's able to be played by the hearing impaired, or the blind, or the mobility impaired, etc. They get to choose their market, and they've obviously made their choice that the cost/benefit analysis does not favor creating a text chat for the console version of the game.2 -
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✭✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »I don't play this game anymore but felt the need to comment on this subject. I was a PC player and have hearing impairment. It wasn't so much an issue due to the text chat of course. I realised that when no chat option was available on console that they basically excluded a whole bunch of people from the game because they have hearing impairment, or are completely deaf. The problem isn't just you sometimes can't hear what people are saying, hearing impairment often comes with sensitivity problems too, so people are either too quiet, or too loud. It would be impossible for me to play this game without text chat, at the best, it would be very uncomfortable. Just one of the smaller reasons I want absolutely nothing to do with any game Zenimax produces now or in the future.
Please share how many games allow for text chat on console? Battlefield, Call of Duty, Madden, FIFA, Xbox party? Stop being so soft on yourself. Many games do not have text chat or offer subtitles. I don't know why so many people are crying for this option. I bet blind people are pissed to....
What possible need would any of those games have for text chat?
Agreed. Different genre/style of play.
There's just not enough interaction to warrant it. In an MMO, which is all about player interaction, it's just plain stupid not to include it.Daggerfall Covenant
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✭✭✭✭Seems like there's two sides here:
1. Give us more options to communicate
2. Keep it the way it is because that's what ZOS sold usDaggerfall Covenant
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Definitely a troll since FFXI has been around since 2002 and FFXIV had the first version which was a complete failure that was then reborn as FFXIV:ARR so any FF fan would have known an MMO has existed for over a decade lol.1 -
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✭Sallington wrote: »Sallington wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »I don't play this game anymore but felt the need to comment on this subject. I was a PC player and have hearing impairment. It wasn't so much an issue due to the text chat of course. I realised that when no chat option was available on console that they basically excluded a whole bunch of people from the game because they have hearing impairment, or are completely deaf. The problem isn't just you sometimes can't hear what people are saying, hearing impairment often comes with sensitivity problems too, so people are either too quiet, or too loud. It would be impossible for me to play this game without text chat, at the best, it would be very uncomfortable. Just one of the smaller reasons I want absolutely nothing to do with any game Zenimax produces now or in the future.
Please share how many games allow for text chat on console? Battlefield, Call of Duty, Madden, FIFA, Xbox party? Stop being so soft on yourself. Many games do not have text chat or offer subtitles. I don't know why so many people are crying for this option. I bet blind people are pissed to....
What possible need would any of those games have for text chat?
Agreed. Different genre/style of play.
There's just not enough interaction to warrant it. In an MMO, which is all about player interaction, it's just plain stupid not to include it.
@Sallington Eh, I get what you're trying to say, but you presented it incorrectly. There's plenty of player interaction in a FPS. However, that is fast-paced, in-your-face, non-stop combat. There's no sitting around discussing crafting, dungeons, leveling, etc.
In a MMORPG, it's text chat is definitely needed for these and many other reasons.Edited by nastuug on June 12, 2015 4:30PM0 -
Kaide✭✭✭Whendim_ESO wrote: »I have to agree with Zyrlux. It's a game, not a public utility and the company is not under any obligation to produce a game that's able to be played by the hearing impaired, or the blind, or the mobility impaired, etc. They get to choose their market, and they've obviously made their choice that the cost/benefit analysis does not favor creating a text chat for the console version of the game.
This effects more people than just the hearing impaired. Read my last reply at the bottom of the first page it will go into detail why successful gaming companies support all types of gamers. I even went at it from a business perspective.
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Kaide✭✭✭I'll never understand why people defend companies who continue to give us less content...
In 2015 shouldn't we have expectations for MMORPG's? I mean I'm pretty sure Final Fantasy XIV showed us what is capable on a console...and that should be the MINIMUM requirementEdited by Kaide on June 12, 2015 4:31PM2 -
Sallington✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I'll never understand why people defend companies who continue to give us less content...
In 2015 shouldn't we have expectations for MMORPG's?
People seem to really enjoy getting sold a half working game and then being charged for DLC. It's crazy. I've seen that mindset much more on consoles, but PC isn't clean of those people either.
IT's like, just because the game was hyped up, and they are told that the game is awesome by the people who made it, the defend it no matter what just because they bought it. People give suggestions on how to improve it, and they call you entitled or start an argument about something ridiculous. MY favorite is the "get a job" argument when you bring up how a $15 DLC is a ripoff for what should have been in the game in the first place.Edited by Sallington on June 12, 2015 4:35PMDaggerfall Covenant
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nastuug✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sallington wrote: »I'll never understand why people defend companies who continue to give us less content...
In 2015 shouldn't we have expectations for MMORPG's?
People seem to really enjoy getting sold a half working game and then being charged for DLC. It's crazy. I've seen that mindset much more on consoles, but PC isn't clean of those people either.
IT's like, just because the game was hyped up, and they are told that the game is awesome by the people who made it, the defend it no matter what just because they bought it.
Sometimes I view those types of people as:
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Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭I hope they add that, there tons of people would rather type then use mic.
1- People who play at night.
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This My GOD S0ooo much this!
My wife and kids are in bed when I play late at night!
I cant tell you how many times the wife raises hell saying "Calm it down it sounds like a party down stairs!"
Also the deaf thing is REAL I cannot understand how ZOS would alienate those people.
I myself took in two foster kids and one of them were deaf and they played a lot of MMO's
{OT} That little guy was damn good at FPS games and I never understood that lol.
Edited by Funkopotamus on June 12, 2015 5:16PMAnything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington4 -
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✭And the larger reason I left the game, appalling community attitude. And with that, adios, enjoy your half game and crap support.5 -
Ahzek✭✭✭✭✭
✭Would you buy a CD player and then *** to the company that you can't hear it cause you are deaf? No. Why? Because that's *** ***. There are some things you can't do and, yes, it is unfortunate for you, it's not other people's responsibility to cater to you and your disability
There are many things wrong with your comment but this analogy is the icing on the cake.
People buy CD players to hear music, wich gets pretty much impossible being deaf.
People buy games to play them.
Playing a game is (usually) not impossible due to hearing disabilties (they make things harder though). These people obviously want to enjoy the game they bought as much as they can. To enjoy a MMO to the fullest most people want to interact with other players, wich these customers are unable to at the moment on console. They now come to the forums to make the proposition to ZOS to help them, wich probably would even help ZOS ( buying customers = money ).
Now you come in and attack their reasonable propsal as "bitching for others" to cater to their needs. While they obviously argue in their own interest it seems quite apparent (to me) that they only propse a way of improving the game to make their experience more enjoyable wich is pretty much the same as asking for content, weapon dying or similar features that improve the game and would (probably) boost sales.
Additionally the desicion to buy a console over a PC is based on many aspects (controls, available games,etc. ) and it seems quite arrogant to me to assume they were aware of ESOs chat options when they decided to buy a console over a PC .
Btw im a not hearing/speaking disabled PC palyer that only comments here because your ignorant and self righteous comment demands an answer.Jo'Khaljor6 -
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✭How about the disabled people with speech impairments? Are they not allowed to play the game? Too bad disability laws do not cross over to games.“The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.”
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✭✭Red herrings and strawmen aside there is really no good reason for not having a text chat option in the console version.
Let me say that again option
If you don't want it turn it off, just like voice can be turned off. Simple, easy, makes more people happy. This would be a bad thing exactly how?Lag is ruinin' my 'mershun!
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✭✭✭✭✭So they are responsible for your purchasing choices, is that right?
Here's the thing. You want to communicate. Sweet. That's dandy. Unfortunately, you have a physical disability that prevents that from happening via normal methods. Okay. That's understandable. But why is anyone other than you responsible for overcoming your shortcomings?
Would you buy a CD player and then *** to the company that you can't hear it cause you are deaf? No. Why? Because that's *** ***. There are some things you can't do and, yes, it is unfortunate for you, it's not other people's responsibility to cater to you and your disability.
There is a version of this game that is available with text chat. Go play it if you want to play this game. Unfortunately, consoles on a whole are meant for the majority. The people with all five senses in tact. PCs offer a TON of options for the disabled. But YOU were the one responsible for saying...Know what? I'd rather buy a console. Let me make a purchasing choice that I may not get the full experience of because I want it.
That's your call but don't expect an item that doesn't come with it's own keyboard to cater to people who prefer keyboards. It comes with a headset. Know why? Cause it's designed for voice chat. Didn't stop you.
So what's the argument for not playing PC. Don't have a good enough computer? But are you going to *** to bethesda that it's their fault that you aren't receiving the full experience of the game because of difficulties on your end? ie not having the money for a good gaming PC?
You win the entitlement prize. You also win the insensitive *** prize.
Since I feel you might not get why you're a ***, consider this: an audio CD can be experienced in exactly one way -listening. Communications in a game can be either audio or text, and text support requires little development effort (especially given that it's already baked into the PC client).7 -
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✭Funny thing..
I play with a headset so my growing senile mother does not ask constantly about all the voices coming from my room. I play a few hours a day with the headset on my desk. You dont really need audio to play this game, PC or console version. It just makes it richer and more interesting.Power level to CP160 in a week:
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Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »pmn100b16_ESO wrote: »I don't play this game anymore but felt the need to comment on this subject. I was a PC player and have hearing impairment. It wasn't so much an issue due to the text chat of course. I realised that when no chat option was available on console that they basically excluded a whole bunch of people from the game because they have hearing impairment, or are completely deaf. The problem isn't just you sometimes can't hear what people are saying, hearing impairment often comes with sensitivity problems too, so people are either too quiet, or too loud. It would be impossible for me to play this game without text chat, at the best, it would be very uncomfortable. Just one of the smaller reasons I want absolutely nothing to do with any game Zenimax produces now or in the future.
Please share how many games allow for text chat on console? Battlefield, Call of Duty, Madden, FIFA, Xbox party? Stop being so soft on yourself. Many games do not have text chat or offer subtitles. I don't know why so many people are crying for this option. I bet blind people are pissed to....
What possible need would any of those games have for text chat?
Yeeaahhhh....
I do not think he thought that one through before he hit "Post Reply" on that one..
This is a MMO after all...
Hell the first PC MMO's were nothing BUT a chat box hehe.
Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If you're deaf. You can play
If you're mute you can play.
No idea why people are bringing up other handicaps to justify their argument to add text chat
Go play PC if it's a must for you.
In the same argument tho, what about people who don't have all their fingers who play console vs PC.
I guess you feel as tho it's O K as long as you get what you want.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Darklord_Tiberius✭✭✭✭FULL CREDIT for this post goes to XENDYN
This post is in regards to DEAF/HEARING IMPAIRED PS4/XBOX ONE players....which is a post that has NOT been created yet.
What about the deaf and hearing impaired? Are they not allowed to play Elder Scrolls Online because the game is restricted to only those that can communicate verbally with other players? That's pretty pathetic...if that is the case. So what's an excellent reason for implementing TEXT CHAT? How about your player base that can't speak/hear? Do you not want them to buy your game? Final Fantasy XIV and Neverwinter already have an EXCELLENT text chat system...so do not say that it does not work or people won't be able to read the chat box....when it's already been PROVEN to work!
Play the PC version if you want to so badly have a chat system. For console, that is something they will add in time sure; but not a main focus and no offense, but it shouldn't be.0 -
Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭So they are responsible for your purchasing choices, is that right?
Here's the thing. You want to communicate. Sweet. That's dandy. Unfortunately, you have a physical disability that prevents that from happening via normal methods. Okay. That's understandable. But why is anyone other than you responsible for overcoming your shortcomings?
Would you buy a CD player and then *** to the company that you can't hear it cause you are deaf? No. Why? Because that's *** ***. There are some things you can't do and, yes, it is unfortunate for you, it's not other people's responsibility to cater to you and your disability.
There is a version of this game that is available with text chat. Go play it if you want to play this game. Unfortunately, consoles on a whole are meant for the majority. The people with all five senses in tact. PCs offer a TON of options for the disabled. But YOU were the one responsible for saying...Know what? I'd rather buy a console. Let me make a purchasing choice that I may not get the full experience of because I want it.
That's your call but don't expect an item that doesn't come with it's own keyboard to cater to people who prefer keyboards. It comes with a headset. Know why? Cause it's designed for voice chat. Didn't stop you.
So what's the argument for not playing PC. Don't have a good enough computer? But are you going to *** to bethesda that it's their fault that you aren't receiving the full experience of the game because of difficulties on your end? ie not having the money for a good gaming PC?
Thanks for saving me the time of typing that. I have found that most people are not using voice chat anyways. I think that is partly an issue with the voice feature being messed up in game and not being available.
Navy it is not because of any "Issue with the voice feature being messed up" It is because nobody can hear/understand anything people are saying due to the flood of Music/Screaming/Everyone talking at the same time.
This system is flawed and was nice in concept to make the game feel like you walked into a crowded area, but the thing is there is no way for the system to compensate for DISTANCE in the game. If you are standing 5 feet from someone trying to talk to you.. You cannot hear them over the person 500 feet away BREATHING !
LOL System is a fail.
At least give us "Sane" people a way to communicate and enjoy a decent MMO and let the rest of the community enjoy the mess that is public voice chat is all I am asking for.Anything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington0 -
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✭Text chat AND subtitles for the hearing impaired. I read a thread the other day that was from a deaf player, stating that there is no freakin subtitles on console. No subtitles?!! It is unfair and @ZOS you need to fix this fast. Unacceptable.Member of the Old GuardMother of the Byte FamilyVyle Byte||Ivana Byte||Vyible Byte||Hakate Vampler Former EMPRESS BWB||Haan Zolo {Retired} (He swung first)||Lunari ||Wardyn Chalyk Tahno||Dirti Dianah||Bonnie||
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Funkopotamus✭✭✭✭✭They can all join us on PC.
The more I see from people NOT wanting chat box for console the more I think it is all desperate PC players trying to salvage a community that is leaving in droves because of all the bots on PC lol.
There is NO reason for console not to have a chat box. I mean it is not like console players are asking for the REMOVAL of the voice chat. If that was the case I could understand people not wanting to see that.
But it is childish "or desperate" for anyone to NOT want people to be able to enjoy the game on console.
Funny how most of the "No chat box" TROLLS are always dropping that one liner..
"If you want a chat box come join us on PC"
lmao ..
Sad..Edited by Funkopotamus on June 12, 2015 5:21PMAnything useful that players are wanting added into the game all fall under the category of "Yer ruinin my 'mersion!" Sallington0 -
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✭Funkopotamus wrote: »They can all join us on PC.
The more I see from people NOT wanting chat box for console the more I think it is a desperate PC players trying to salvage a community that is leaving in droves because of all the bots on PC lol.
There is NO reason for console not to have a chat box. I mean it is not like console players are asking for the REMOVAL of the voice chat. If that was the case I could understand people not wanting to see that.
But it is childish "or desperate" for anyone to NOT want people to be able to enjoy the game on console.
Funny how most of the "No chat box" TROLLS are always dropping that one liner..
"If you want a chat box come join us on PC"
lmao ..
Sad..
Actually most of the pushback on the console text chat box is from console users telling those other console users to go play on PC if they want text chat so badly.2 -
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✭Wasn't this argument tried when no text was announced?
And it still went to console without text.....why would it make a difference after the fact if it didn't matter before release?If options weren't necessary, and everyone played the same way, no one would use addons. Fix the UI!0 -
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✭✭✭✭Psychobunni wrote: »Wasn't this argument tried when no text was announced?
And it still went to console without text.....why would it make a difference after the fact if it didn't matter before release?
I think we just overestimate how much ZOS cares about what is good for the players.Edited by Sallington on June 12, 2015 5:29PMDaggerfall Covenant
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✭Psychobunni wrote: »Wasn't this argument tried when no text was announced?
And it still went to console without text.....why would it make a difference after the fact if it didn't matter before release?
Because the console kiddies may put the game down or trade it in, which will result in zero crown sales.
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