Displayed Champion Rank

Zorrashi · June 2015

No.it's a bad idea. I don't want to show my champion rank.

nastuug wrote: »

MAOofDC wrote: »

Zorrashi wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

Zorrashi wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

For the same reason that the game displays your level and VR rank, CP ranks should be visible.

Agreed. What's the point of showing a character level at all if it's not thought to be important? IMO, CP is far more important than what VR someone is.

CPs are supposed to be a mere form of horizontal character progression, not a vertical gauge like levels and VR ranks. In addition to the great multitude of versatile paths in which they can be spent, CPs by their definition are only give bonuses to the allocated passives in their respective constellation. In that sense, the numbers of CPs spent mean nothing other than a general indicator of how long a person has played.
Not how much more base health the player has. Nor the amount magika regeneration or the stamina regeneration. Nothing. For that you'll have to look into where the points were actually spent and that'll be little better than a gear inspection feature.

CPs does not equal strength in the same way levels do.

Mm, it could be argued that level could be viewed in the same fashion though. It doesn't matter that someone is VR14. What matters is the gear/skills/stats/overall CP allocation that person chooses. Which revolves back around to why show someone's level if it doesn't really matter in the first place?

A similar fashion certainly, but most are within a more conceivable scope. Attribute points in their 3 possible resource pools give well-defined additions, gear score based on the tiered quality of the materials used and any additional enchantments/tempers used to add onto the base, things like base weapon damage and certain other stats are increased based on a level in a particular skill line. etc....all can be relatively measured if you know what contributes to the components.

The point I was trying to make was that CPs have little to no singular well-defined scope by simply the number alone and thus have no real use outside of a general estimate of time spent in the game. You'll have a far more better measuring quality if you took a look at individual constellations than you will the overall system.

This because just because someone has 300 CPs doesn't mean they they are spent correctly to be the most effective for the role the player is trying to fill.

I find it hard to believe that someone who has put enough time into the game to acquire 200+ CP is unaware on how to properly allocate them...

You'd be surprised. Many are willing to put the time in to grind, but many of them never practice anything outside of that grind. Some of them are just plain unskilled, hence why they rely so much on base stat increases and gear to make up for it.

MAOofDC · June 2015

No.it's a bad idea. I don't want to show my champion rank.

nastuug wrote: »

MAOofDC wrote: »

Zorrashi wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

Zorrashi wrote: »

nastuug wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

For the same reason that the game displays your level and VR rank, CP ranks should be visible.

Agreed. What's the point of showing a character level at all if it's not thought to be important? IMO, CP is far more important than what VR someone is.

CPs are supposed to be a mere form of horizontal character progression, not a vertical gauge like levels and VR ranks. In addition to the great multitude of versatile paths in which they can be spent, CPs by their definition are only give bonuses to the allocated passives in their respective constellation. In that sense, the numbers of CPs spent mean nothing other than a general indicator of how long a person has played.
Not how much more base health the player has. Nor the amount magika regeneration or the stamina regeneration. Nothing. For that you'll have to look into where the points were actually spent and that'll be little better than a gear inspection feature.

CPs does not equal strength in the same way levels do.

Mm, it could be argued that level could be viewed in the same fashion though. It doesn't matter that someone is VR14. What matters is the gear/skills/stats/overall CP allocation that person chooses. Which revolves back around to why show someone's level if it doesn't really matter in the first place?

A similar fashion certainly, but most are within a more conceivable scope. Attribute points in their 3 possible resource pools give well-defined additions, gear score based on the tiered quality of the materials used and any additional enchantments/tempers used to add onto the base, things like base weapon damage and certain other stats are increased based on a level in a particular skill line. etc....all can be relatively measured if you know what contributes to the components.

The point I was trying to make was that CPs have little to no singular well-defined scope by simply the number alone and thus have no real use outside of a general estimate of time spent in the game. You'll have a far more better measuring quality if you took a look at individual constellations than you will the overall system.

This because just because someone has 300 CPs doesn't mean they they are spent correctly to be the most effective for the role the player is trying to fill.

I find it hard to believe that someone who has put enough time into the game to acquire 200+ CP is unaware on how to properly allocate them...

A case can be made that ignorance could play a part and albeit can be easily fixed. That being said there are people who are A$$hats like being A$$hats and will troll a group just because it fits into their A$$hat version of humor.

Darklord_Tiberius · June 2015

No.it's a bad idea. I don't want to show my champion rank.

cgipervert wrote: »

This will just lead to more elitism.

This.

This game already has enough of this behavior with people flexing their Epeens on the leaderboards to see who can grind the longest without sleep, eating hot pockets and having their moms bring them a bucket from time to time.....

No.

Merlin13KAGL · June 2015

No.it's a bad idea. I don't want to show my champion rank.

What's the point in this? (OP, I already read your stance in another thread)

Again, it's just a number. Someone can have 600 CP's in all the wrong things, and how exactly will that help you or your group?

From here, it becomes, link your entire build, and if we deem you worthy, we'll let you know.

Forgive me, but if kicking ass and taking names was as simple as what amounts to a handful of toggled options (that's what CP's are, when you get down to it), there would be a whole lot more success than there currently is.

Most stats do not reflect the quality of the player behind them.

Besides, if you don't have the courtesy to want to ask, you're likely not someone I would want to run with anyway.

Nothing personal.

theweakminded · June 2015

No.it's a bad idea. I don't want to show my champion rank.

Unless they introduce content scaled to CP requirements as a level similar to v5, v14, etc. there is no reason whatsoever to show CP. It is just asking for the exclusion of new players in pug content.

While you already have level based exclusion for content, there is an eventual cap to that requirement. CP is mostly endless.

AlnilamE · June 2015

No.it's a bad idea. I don't want to show my champion rank.

SirAndy wrote: »

Pick me! All my points spent to find better loot in treasure chests will be very helpful for your group!

@SirAndy knows what all the important passives are. :-)

NovaMarx · June 2015

No.it's a bad idea. I don't want to show my champion rank.

This'll just add to the elitism that so many already suffer from. So please no

I don't care how many CP other people have, and I really don't care how they use them. As long as they can pull their own in a fight! The amount of CP you have doesn't automatically make you a better player

NovaMarx · June 2015

No.it's a bad idea. I don't want to show my champion rank.

SirAndy wrote: »

Pick me! All my points spent to find better loot in treasure chests will be very helpful for your group!

^This^

Rook_Master · June 2015

Yeah,it's a good idea. It will help to find proper group

Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »

cgipervert wrote: »

This will just lead to more elitism.

This.

This game already has enough of this behavior with people flexing their Epeens on the leaderboards to see who can grind the longest without sleep, eating hot pockets and having their moms bring them a bucket from time to time.....

No.

LOL so true though.

Just wait until all the ahievement *** on console figure out what they will have to do to platinum this game.

c0rp · June 2015

Yeah,it's a good idea. It will help to find proper group

I want this for PVP actually...dont care about PVE.

MAOofDC · June 2015

No.it's a bad idea. I don't want to show my champion rank.

c0rp wrote: »

I want this for PVP actually...dont care about PVE.

Sadly it's attitudes like this that hurt the PvE players. ZoS does something the Fix PvP and it has unintended consequences to PvE. Example Sorcerers were considered to be OP in PvP so they got nerfed now Sorcs are not wanted in PvE end game trials. All they had to do was make abilities/armor work differently in PvP but nope lets just nerf it across the board whats the worst that can happen. Also from what I hear the fixes haven't fixed the OPness of sorcs in PvP.

Kerioko · June 2015

No.it's a bad idea. I don't want to show my champion rank.

Please make sure you pick me first for your SO HM. I have 400+ CP because I know how to run around in a circle spamming steal tornado. We won't discuss the fact that I wear all the wrong gear sets, have all the wrong skills and passives, and may achieve only 4K dps...because, like I said, I just know how to run around in a circle and spam steel tornado....

Still though, you need to pick me over the guy that only has 200 CP, because my 400 just makes me better....we won't even look at the reason the other guy only has 200 is because he has spent his time in game practicing his rotation, learning endgame content, and refining his build and not mindlessly grinding CP.

UrQuan · June 2015

No.it's a bad idea. I don't want to show my champion rank.

AlnilamE wrote: »

If they do this, I will troll groups who ask for minimum CP by putting my Champion Points in all the wrong places.

:-P

Or have them all unassigned...

I once did a vet dungeon run with a character I hadn't really been playing in the previous week or so. It was only after the dungeon that I suddenly realized I had about 10 or so unassigned CPs. Oops.

nimander99 · June 2015

No.it's a bad idea. I don't want to show my champion rank.

I was REALLY tempted to vote yes followed by this sarcastic reply....

*YES! And we can add Gear Score and Item Score and RNG enchantment system with store bought protection gems... in fact I'd like to see the amount of money I've spent next to my char's Vet Rank and Champ Point score just so folks know a face roll is headed their way!!!!!

Enodoc · June 2015

No.it's a bad idea. I don't want to show my champion rank.

Zorrashi wrote: »

MAOofDC wrote: »

Zorrashi wrote: »

I don't want cp-checks becoming a thing.

If they actually remove Vet Ranks like they keep saying they might, and the foolishly impatient folks keep begging for, the CP check will become the new measuring stick. Which will be bad because just because you have 225 CPs doesn't mean that they are in the right place.

That's the unfortunate thing. While the cp system was created in part because of the intended removal of the VR system, the cp system was never supposed to replace it as a general measure of power. The VR system was vertical progression, with each level simply being above the former level and so on. The cp system is supposed to be horizontal, with no amount being innately superior than the other based on where the points were spent. Yet many players view cp's in the same manner as gear/level progression.

I agree, and that's why I am of the opinion that nothing will be tied to number of CPs. At least, not in a hard-requirement way like VRs are currently.

Your prowess in Veteran content should be based on how good your gear is, and how you play your build, not an arbitrary number. While CPs do affect your build, knowing how many CPs someone has is not going to help if you don't know what they have put those CPs into.