What is important to note is that FTC can only show the DPS of other TFC users and only if those others have activated the option themselves.
Thus the issues some of you are pointing out (minimum DPS requirements for pugs) seem pretty avoidable to me since in theory the very same function already existed with people being able to post their dps in group chat, however now the addon simply does so automatically ( to other ftc members and not via chat).

I personally like it a lot but I aim for 8k+ single target dps and mostly get 11/13k with my characters (depending how much self healing, roll dodging, running away or holding block).

Doing pugs for vet dungeons a lot has shown me there can be a very wide gap between players, thankfully most are great (not a dps example but I've seen a tank with over 38k in health almost die at every Spindleclutch trash mob and another tank Bogdan with just over 18k health and make it look effortless).

I do find it a bit distracting but I look forward to adding people to my ignore list, not because they have low dps but because they are elitist a-holes who deserve to be grouping up with other elitist a-holes.

Ahzek wrote: »

What is important to note is that FTC can only show the DPS of other TFC users and only if those others have activated the option themselves.
Thus the issues some of you are pointing out (minimum DPS requirements for pugs) seem pretty avoidable to me since in theory the very same function already existed with people being able to post their dps in group chat, however now the addon simply does so automatically ( to other ftc members and not via chat).

Yeah, problem with that is it will just lead to exclusion if you are not able to post anything at all.

ragespell wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

pmacisback wrote: »

The end of an era for casuals and original builds.. LFM vAnything 11k+ dps

i get 12k dps spamming one button...literally...now eaving necessary...so im not sure why you think original builds wont get through...if your build doesnt pull 11k deeps its not cause its original...its cause its bad...

As a Sorc with around 2k spell damage and 30k magika, I can hardly do 6k dps spamming the only spammable spell I have, force pulse, interleaved with medium attacks :'(

@ragespell , he's probably running wrecking blow, so there is no comparison.

Also, there are a lot of other factors involved, enemy spell resist, for instance. Initial triggering of combat (when you drop the first skill) can have a large effect on your numbers. Burst is usually pretty high, but single target sustain is whole other thing. I'm not entirely certain DPS registers correctly sometimes, as I've had scenarios with 'low numbers' yet stuff is dropping left and right.

If you can get through the content in one piece, don't sweat it.

Offhand, one of the things I can recommend is adding DoTs to your rotation. You'll get added benefit from Force Pulse in the process and your DPS will increase. Short of Overload (which is hardly viable as sustain 100% of the time), there is no magicka based attacks that will hit the 12k+ single button DPS that some of the melee skills can get with relative ease.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Bad idea and I thought this was something that ZOS did not want in the add-ons, now it will just reek of leet players blasting some poor guy who's dps is off by a few points, because oh heck better to belittle them then try to help them it seems. /fail

Could be used as nice tool to help folks improve their dps give them some tips but it won't be in most cases, which is sad.

@kevlarto_ESO , sounds well and good in theory, except it won't show you what to do to increase the numbers, and others are making baseline assumptions, as they cannot see what you are and are not doing as well.

DPS by itself is of limited use as feedback to help you improve DPS. It's like a speedometer on car. It gives you a number, but it's not going to help you get more power out of your engine in the process.

Zorgon_The_Revenged wrote: »

"Davadin wrote: »

spindle's first boss (the S&M lady who loves making clones - the fight need good coordination).

Sounds like Fungal Grotto, but a good example of how knowing the fights mechanics is so important to a group clearing a boss with no problem.

A bit off topic, but meh.....

damn ur right LOL... i mixed up. grotto. not spindle.

yep. just try to find a friendly guild to join. everything else is fine.

Wait so this is new to FTC or it's always been there? I'm confused, I never noticed it before.

Davadin wrote: »

....i love FTC and use it a lot, but i never even know this existed lol

is it a bad thing? i dont think so. most people who knows about it will use, others don't.

i dont think it will be a trend of "you must use FTC and we must see your DPS" any time soon.

i still PUG a lot of end-game content these days and MAYBE 1 out of 10 groups would ask, what's your DPS?



most of the time it will still go "LF DPS, TANK, HEALER" and that's the end of it.

Yup, this pretty much.

Not hate, but rather a 'no'.

Dps meter is something personal and should be the choice of the player if he wants to share it or not. I know it's just a number but people are way too judgemental these days and will actually leave people out. Everyone's gotta learn.

Used it stopped using it now happy with http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info919-AUI-AdvancedUI.html does what I want.

BigM wrote: »

Used it stopped using it now happy with http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info919-AUI-AdvancedUI.html does what I want.

OMG Thank you! That looks amazingly like what I am trying to get. I will try that out tonight.

I installed the new FTC and it's been mostly ok, but what annoyed me is that if I turn the FTC group frame to OFF it will show the default ESO group bars, and I also use Healer's Group Frame, so I was having overlaying group bars which is very annoying.

I was using CC and Combat Analytics before I switched to FTC, and I'm thinking that a combination of AUI and CC will probably work best for me.

I use LUI at the moment not FTC. Might try it again.

Nice little addon to compete with friends.

As for the Negative Nancys here crying doomsday about how people will be kicked and the heavens will fall into the sea;

FYI, it is obvious when you do rubbish DPS because stuff dies slower. We don't need a damage meter to figure this out.

nine9six wrote: »

Sacadon wrote: »

It's always provided this... New version is no different

FWIW...No it hasn't, and yes it is.

It's always showed the Overall Damage / Overall Heals / Time of your last fight. This shows the DPS of every member in your group, while still maintaining the original bar that shows the Overall Damage / Heals / Time.

To answer the Question...I turned the new Meter off. I really don't care to know my, or the guy next to me, DPS. If I ever need it...I know how to re-enable it.

If you turn it off, does that mean you no longer see everybody else's DPS and nobody else sees your DPS? Or does anyone running the new FTC get to see everybody else's DPS no matter what? I think it would be fine if you can choose to make your DPS public, but it is getting kind of creepy if FTC is pulling other people's DPS without their knowledge or permission.

If it was in the base game I would be against it, but it's just an optional ui mod so I have no complaints.
While there may be some concern over how mature certain players are willing to act with such a feature, I'm mildly certain there may be a passable replacement ui mod for those who don't want to deal with certain venomous players. Otherwise its a simply a tool used by particular group of players by relative consensual agreement. So good for them.

Makkir wrote: »

nothing2591 wrote: »

about time. I'll finally know if my pvp grp is useless or not, need to start using FTC again :P

If you need damage meters to measure your group's effectiveness in PvP then you are doing it wrong.

Were you one of those guys padding the Battleground boards in WoW instead of focusing on objectives, healing, dispelling, etc?

Yeah DPS matters very little in PVP. Teamwork, using Synergies, timing ultimates correctly, and using skills that benefit your team, and proper positioning is far more important then DPS. Burst however can be important but burst is far different then sustain DPS.