New players not standing a chance on console against transfers!!

Flynch · June 2015

I'm a bit confused - what's the difference between a new console player playing ESO and a new PC player playing ESO?

Same footing, surely?

daemonios · June 2015

Flynch wrote: »

I'm a bit confused - what's the difference between a new console player playing ESO and a new PC player playing ESO?

Same footing, surely?

Not entirely, as some people have been pushing the limits of character transfers, so to speak, in order to have items and gold available on console that they didn't have on the PC. In addition to the character level/champion points/crafting researches/riding skill training, it will make it particularly hard for new players in a competitive setting.

wrlifeboil · June 2015

Flynch wrote: »

I'm a bit confused - what's the difference between a new console player playing ESO and a new PC player playing ESO?

Same footing, surely?

PC transfers are transferring their VR14s and millions in gold to play on consoles.

NCPs are starting from zero.

They are going to be on the same megaserver. I think ZOS is hoping the NCPs don't notice.

BloodStorm · June 2015

pmitchell126b16_ESO wrote: »

Well from what I gathered so far with this thread is..

Yes console players new console players are screwed for months to come best move to another mmorpg on console and just let the transfer characters dominate the server.. screw the market and every other player while a slow death happens with population and little fun is over.

PVP is easy. My team has 100 vs your 5. GG. " Your keep all belong to us ".Most console players will be PVE interested guaranteed. Questing and dungeons and no addons means way more PVE based. Also me being one of the first vampires in early access I have a Vet 10 being transfered from near ESO PC release and just using him for the vampire bites who seem worthy!! I plan on rolling a new character. Many PC to console players will be rolling new characters guaranteed. Crafting doesn't matter much either because the best sets are found in dungeons and while questing.

wrlifeboil · June 2015

BloodStorm wrote: »

pmitchell126b16_ESO wrote: »

Well from what I gathered so far with this thread is..

Yes console players new console players are screwed for months to come best move to another mmorpg on console and just let the transfer characters dominate the server.. screw the market and every other player while a slow death happens with population and little fun is over.

PVP is easy. My team has 100 vs your 5. GG. " Your keep all belong to us ".Most console players will be PVE interested guaranteed. Questing and dungeons and no addons means way more PVE based. Also me being one of the first vampires in early access I have a Vet 10 being transfered from near ESO PC release and just using him for the vampire bites who seem worthy!! I plan on rolling a new character. Many PC to console players will be rolling new characters guaranteed. Crafting doesn't matter much either because the best sets are found in dungeons and while questing.

Of course PC transfers will be rolling new characters. What content would they run with their VR14s that they haven't done tens or hundreds of times already in the PC version? There is no new content in the console version of the game.

As for the best sets are found in dungeons and while questing, I never saw anything drop in non-VR dungeons or a quest reward that was worth breaking a 5- and 3-set combination. If most of the NCPs level as slowly as PC players did back in April last year, that means weeks until they reach VR level and months to hit high level VR ranks.

LucyferLightbringer · June 2015

Not only will transfers have champion points, vet ranks and maxed gear from the very begining, many of them will also carry gold of their whole guilds/friends/whoever they could convince to lend it to them. They can kiss their server economy goodbye from the very start. I feel sorry for any new players who will start on consoles.

Calluna · June 2015

wrlifeboil wrote: »

Calluna wrote: »

You can do much better as a battle leveled non vet than you can as a low VR character. Research how battle leveling works and you will see. While low VR level characters can contribute they are usually easily killed by VR14's unless the low VR character is pretty experienced.

If you believe that, go in as a level 10, wear the level 10 and below quest gear, and go into an active regular campaign.

I have, as a non VR you are much more survivable than a VR2 or 3. Your HP is around 30K and your magicka and stamina are around 16K each. I don't remember the numbers but your weapon and spell strength and armor are also normalized so it doesn't matter as much as what you are wearing. Set bonuses also don't apply except for the 5th bonus on most sets and weapon or spell crit. So you can have legendary set armor with +1000 magicka or weapon damage or stamina or health and it won't do a thing for your stats.

I didn't say you were going to own face, just that you are not as bad off as you think. Here is a link that goes through the mechanics of battle leveling with input from people that PVP a lot and know what they are talking about. forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/166062/blackwater-blade-and-stats#latest . Post #12 pretty much lays it out for you. Personally I think the battle level mechanic is why Blackwater Blade is such a fun PVP experience compared to the Vet campaigns.

Moonshadow66 · June 2015

Flynch wrote: »

I'm a bit confused - what's the difference between a new console player playing ESO and a new PC player playing ESO?

Same footing, surely?

I just wanted to post it, too.. There is no difference. New players, no matter if on PC or console, will always meet VR14 players. I don't get the point of this thread.

Moonshadow66 · June 2015

daemonios wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

I'm a bit confused - what's the difference between a new console player playing ESO and a new PC player playing ESO?

Same footing, surely?

Not entirely, as some people have been pushing the limits of character transfers, so to speak, in order to have items and gold available on console that they didn't have on the PC. In addition to the character level/champion points/crafting researches/riding skill training, it will make it particularly hard for new players in a competitive setting.

How can you transfer something that doesn't exist in the first place?

Calluna · June 2015

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

I'm a bit confused - what's the difference between a new console player playing ESO and a new PC player playing ESO?

Same footing, surely?

Not entirely, as some people have been pushing the limits of character transfers, so to speak, in order to have items and gold available on console that they didn't have on the PC. In addition to the character level/champion points/crafting researches/riding skill training, it will make it particularly hard for new players in a competitive setting.

How can you transfer something that doesn't exist in the first place?

They borrow the gold or items, and then after the day ZOS cloned the characters and inventory they paid back their friends and/or guild. The console clone has the gold and items and since the items were not removed from the PC server the items can be returned to wherever they were borrowed from.

Moonshadow66 · June 2015

Calluna wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

I'm a bit confused - what's the difference between a new console player playing ESO and a new PC player playing ESO?

Same footing, surely?

Not entirely, as some people have been pushing the limits of character transfers, so to speak, in order to have items and gold available on console that they didn't have on the PC. In addition to the character level/champion points/crafting researches/riding skill training, it will make it particularly hard for new players in a competitive setting.

How can you transfer something that doesn't exist in the first place?

They borrow the gold or items, and then after the day ZOS cloned the characters and inventory they paid back their friends and/or guild. The console clone has the gold and items and since the items were not removed from the PC server the items can be returned to wherever they were borrowed from.

Oh, I haven't considered this, you're right. Ok, then I do agree with the OP! Thanks for explaining it

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

Wait until the console crowd spends all that time earning vet ranks to have them removed. Talk about a crap storm.

BrisbaniteAU · June 2015

Calluna wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

I'm a bit confused - what's the difference between a new console player playing ESO and a new PC player playing ESO?

Same footing, surely?

Not entirely, as some people have been pushing the limits of character transfers, so to speak, in order to have items and gold available on console that they didn't have on the PC. In addition to the character level/champion points/crafting researches/riding skill training, it will make it particularly hard for new players in a competitive setting.

How can you transfer something that doesn't exist in the first place?

They borrow the gold or items, and then after the day ZOS cloned the characters and inventory they paid back their friends and/or guild. The console clone has the gold and items and since the items were not removed from the PC server the items can be returned to wherever they were borrowed from.

It wouldn't surprise me if ZOS clamps down on this after they get past the busy console release. It'd probably be pretty easy to spot huge gold transfers that happened just before the release and then track down similar transfers back on PC after the release, and then take the gold off the players. They've done stuff like this before for exploits.

BigM · June 2015

Calluna wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

I'm a bit confused - what's the difference between a new console player playing ESO and a new PC player playing ESO?

Same footing, surely?

Not entirely, as some people have been pushing the limits of character transfers, so to speak, in order to have items and gold available on console that they didn't have on the PC. In addition to the character level/champion points/crafting researches/riding skill training, it will make it particularly hard for new players in a competitive setting.

How can you transfer something that doesn't exist in the first place?

They borrow the gold or items, and then after the day ZOS cloned the characters and inventory they paid back their friends and/or guild. The console clone has the gold and items and since the items were not removed from the PC server the items can be returned to wherever they were borrowed from.

That my friends is called dubbing only this time it was done legally.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · June 2015

BrisbaniteAU wrote: »

Calluna wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

I'm a bit confused - what's the difference between a new console player playing ESO and a new PC player playing ESO?

Same footing, surely?

Not entirely, as some people have been pushing the limits of character transfers, so to speak, in order to have items and gold available on console that they didn't have on the PC. In addition to the character level/champion points/crafting researches/riding skill training, it will make it particularly hard for new players in a competitive setting.

How can you transfer something that doesn't exist in the first place?

They borrow the gold or items, and then after the day ZOS cloned the characters and inventory they paid back their friends and/or guild. The console clone has the gold and items and since the items were not removed from the PC server the items can be returned to wherever they were borrowed from.

It wouldn't surprise me if ZOS clamps down on this after they get past the busy console release. It'd probably be pretty easy to spot huge gold transfers that happened just before the release and then track down similar transfers back on PC after the release, and then take the gold off the players. They've done stuff like this before for exploits.

This isnt an exploit. Its as intended. Why on earth would ZOS have any problem with it? They invented the system that made it possible. People posted for months about doing this and were asking ZOS when the transfer would take place. ZOS did nothing to discourage this kind of activity. In fact they gave the information so people could do it.

BigM · June 2015

BrisbaniteAU wrote: »

Calluna wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

I'm a bit confused - what's the difference between a new console player playing ESO and a new PC player playing ESO?

Same footing, surely?

Not entirely, as some people have been pushing the limits of character transfers, so to speak, in order to have items and gold available on console that they didn't have on the PC. In addition to the character level/champion points/crafting researches/riding skill training, it will make it particularly hard for new players in a competitive setting.

How can you transfer something that doesn't exist in the first place?

They borrow the gold or items, and then after the day ZOS cloned the characters and inventory they paid back their friends and/or guild. The console clone has the gold and items and since the items were not removed from the PC server the items can be returned to wherever they were borrowed from.

It wouldn't surprise me if ZOS clamps down on this after they get past the busy console release. It'd probably be pretty easy to spot huge gold transfers that happened just before the release and then track down similar transfers back on PC after the release, and then take the gold off the players. They've done stuff like this before for exploits.

They can't do anything, if you look you will find the post(s) where it was said players were allowed to do it. It was stated in a few threads where we knew at least 2 to 3 weeks before transfer this was going to happen.

On other hand it would be awesome if they did it without transferring the gold. But that would set off a fire storm.

Raheem · June 2015

I am Xfering in to xbox 1 with a couple of vet characters. But I am also rolling a couple of new toons to play with friends and my wife. I am restarting up my guild "The Forsaken Council" I figure the first month I play on the xbox will be dedicated to leveling up and getting gear for my guildmates that need it. Not all vet ranked people are Jerks. But just like in anything else some people are jerks and most are not. Just have to find the ones that are not and join them.

Psychobunni · June 2015

daemonios wrote: »

Secondly, the way the transfer was done is VERY dubious. Many people announced their intention to borrow gold (and possibly other items) by the cut-off date for the transfer, in what I consider to be a massive duplication exploit. Why call it duplication? Because while on the PC servers for each borrower there are lenders they must answer to, and the borrowing deprives the lender of the use of the gold/items borrowed, on console said borrowers won't owe anybody. It's just gold and items created out of thin air, not having been obtained by valid ways - looting/farming or purchasing/trading. To my knowledge, ZOS never condemned this, and by implication I assume they see nothing wrong with it and will allow it.

I'd wager the first few weeks of consoles will see transfer players milk as much as possible from new players by having a monopoly of crafting skills and materials (especially gold improvement materials and glyphs, as well as Nirncrux), rare motifs, rare equipment in high demand, etc.

I'm very skeptical that the game will come away unscathed by this. But who knows, maybe I'll be proved wrong.

That part especially got me too. I couldn't believe they announced time and date of character copy after players stating this was their plans here on the forum. It's worse than the transfers, they knowingly let ppl game the system, its insane imo.

I'm still hoping ZOS has something up their sleeves simply for the sake of fairness, but not holding my breath

Emma_Overload · June 2015

pmitchell126b16_ESO wrote: »

Hello as a new person coming to ESO for PS4 will there be servers for only fresh starters and not people getting transfered in with there veteran rank 10 characters from pc?

Or will we new players have to be bullied by these transfer characters and them screw up the market.

thanks.

****So after reviewing all the posts what it seems is obvious.***

- PC Vet Players with VR Ranks and Champion points (So New console players don't meet these players as they will ruin your game experience ignore them simple and do not join the regular campaigns as they will gank and grief you and you cannot do a single thing except wave a stick at them)
- Already players with 5million gold seek to exploit the market and make it so new starters will have to struggle for every coin they get.
- Expect to play for 2-3 months to get any chance of competing with these players.

So all in a basket we all on for a ride.

Shame I did not read sooner about this otherwise would of told my cousin not to purchase this game hoping it be a fresh start.

ZeniMax should of only let transfers in about 1-2 months after release not on day 1 launch what a way to ruin a experience for console players.
****

I hate to break it to ya buddy, but if grinding CP and accumulating gold and gear didn't give players some sort of tangible advantage... there would be NO POINT in playing this game longer than 2 weeks!

Xjcon · June 2015

Yea new console players are in for a rude awakening, not only is there a huge gap with CP there will be a huge gap with the skill levels in pvp and as long as it takes to get those abilitys I hope console players enjoy being farmed.

sagitter · June 2015

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

Flynch wrote: »

I'm a bit confused - what's the difference between a new console player playing ESO and a new PC player playing ESO?

Same footing, surely?

I just wanted to post it, too.. There is no difference. New players, no matter if on PC or console, will always meet VR14 players. I don't get the point of this thread.

This.

firstdecan · June 2015

pmitchell126b16_ESO wrote: »

Hello as a new person coming to ESO for PS4 will there be servers for only fresh starters and not people getting transfered in with there veteran rank 10 characters from pc?

Or will we new players have to be bullied by these transfer characters and them screw up the market.

thanks.

****So after reviewing all the posts what it seems is obvious.***

- PC Vet Players with VR Ranks and Champion points (So New console players don't meet these players as they will ruin your game experience ignore them simple and do not join the regular campaigns as they will gank and grief you and you cannot do a single thing except wave a stick at them)
- Already players with 5million gold seek to exploit the market and make it so new starters will have to struggle for every coin they get.
- Expect to play for 2-3 months to get any chance of competing with these players.

So all in a basket we all on for a ride.

Shame I did not read sooner about this otherwise would of told my cousin not to purchase this game hoping it be a fresh start.

ZeniMax should of only let transfers in about 1-2 months after release not on day 1 launch what a way to ruin a experience for console players.
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This has been the experience of most ESO players. If they had known what a grind the game would become, and how ridiculously overbalanced the game would get they would not have bothered in the first place.

Beedles · June 2015

wait till the console players realize that there are NO add-ons for them lol and the players coming over have a huge advantage with al the gear cp etc.. those add-ons helped them get fast

DragonSamurai360 · June 2015

I wanted to add I did the console transfer, but I am not a vet player in neither experience playing the game or character level. I mostly did it for my character bank, and all my mounts and stuff to transfer over. I have 1 character a level 15 NightBlade in the Ebonheart Pact faction (can't remember race though as I own the explorers pack.) I have changed characters 57 times never going past level 25, as I kind of have an addiction to changing chars. I more than likely will start fresh upon starting ESO Xbox One Edition for the sake of playing over again, the convenience in the matter is the fact I won't have to go to crafting supply searching right away.

DragonSamurai360 · June 2015

DragonSamurai360 wrote: »

I wanted to add I did the console transfer, but I am not a vet player in neither experience playing the game or character level. I mostly did it for my character bank, and all my mounts and stuff to transfer over. I have 1 character a level 15 NightBlade in the Ebonheart Pact faction (can't remember race though as I own the explorers pack.) I have changed characters 57 times never going past level 25, as I kind of have an addiction to changing chars. I more than likely will start fresh upon starting ESO Xbox One Edition for the sake of playing over again, the convenience in the matter is the fact I won't have to go to crafting supply searching right away.

The addiction of changing chars I am going to fix though.

bg22 · June 2015

I thought this was a TERRIBLE IDEA since I first heard of it...

One of the biggest turnoffs to me on any MMO is being behind. And this would be a HUGE slap in the face if I were just joining in as a nub on console.

It may very well be the stupidest thing I've ever seen take place in a video game.....

Sausage · June 2015

I personally believe they are going to start to sell potions, especially catch-up potions, just to reach the top CP then it becomes locked. Catch-up potions are purely convenient, and "racing" potions are P2W.

Revenant_Spartan · June 2015

Too me, I don't see what the huge hoo-haa is all about. I only started playing about a month or so before ESO:TU launched. I played a bit in open beta. So I pretty much started with nothing. Don't see me whining about it.

Whining about the bit of advantage the others will have, that will disappear only a few weeks after launch? Don't get it.
So what - every time someone new decides to pick up a copy of ESO (PC or console) all character should be reset to level 1 so everyone has a fair chance?

I can get the plight of the guy that missed the cut-off however. He was looking forward to playing his toons on the console and no longer can.

wrlifeboil · June 2015

Calluna wrote: »

wrlifeboil wrote: »

Calluna wrote: »

You can do much better as a battle leveled non vet than you can as a low VR character. Research how battle leveling works and you will see. While low VR level characters can contribute they are usually easily killed by VR14's unless the low VR character is pretty experienced.

If you believe that, go in as a level 10, wear the level 10 and below quest gear, and go into an active regular campaign.

I have, as a non VR you are much more survivable than a VR2 or 3. Your HP is around 30K and your magicka and stamina are around 16K each. I don't remember the numbers but your weapon and spell strength and armor are also normalized so it doesn't matter as much as what you are wearing. Set bonuses also don't apply except for the 5th bonus on most sets and weapon or spell crit. So you can have legendary set armor with +1000 magicka or weapon damage or stamina or health and it won't do a thing for your stats.

I didn't say you were going to own face, just that you are not as bad off as you think. Here is a link that goes through the mechanics of battle leveling with input from people that PVP a lot and know what they are talking about. forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/166062/blackwater-blade-and-stats#latest . Post #12 pretty much lays it out for you. Personally I think the battle level mechanic is why Blackwater Blade is such a fun PVP experience compared to the Vet campaigns.

Good spinning.

I put my level 10 in Cyrodiil during the end of week 1 or early week 2. That's when there were many low levels in Cyrodiil and I could see the difference already between us and the players who were already in the low VRs. Best thing to do was to stay with the pack or get insta-killed one on one.

When I hit VR12 with my NB (before ZOS upped the VR cap to 14), I wanted to see what the level difference was like so I targeted the toons in visually identifiable low level quest gear. They went down easily. Even though they have upleveled health, they don't have access to the same damage dealing and damage mitigation skills a VR level character has. No contest.

dodgehopper_ESO · June 2015

NukeAllTheThings wrote: »

Xendyn wrote: »

Thymos wrote: »

So they wont have separate campaigns like they already do for PC. Non-vets PvP, and everyone PvP?

Oh there will be the non vet Blackwater Blade. However, a lot of those vets will have low level alts with 300 CP there to stomp you.

this.

They should have this on the PC as well. I've been suggesting it from the start. The problem isn't as large now, but when you have players rolling around with 1200 champion points it will be completely unfair even if skills are equal.