Soulac wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Soulac wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

I agree with @filmoretub17_ESO such small group can't take a keep alone. Where is the AD 40-man raid hided?

IF you are gonna quote me at least get it right. I never said a 12 man cant backcap against a 24 man raid. I said they cannot capture a keep if the 24 man raid is defending it. There is a huge difference and if you cannot tell then stop applying my statements to your claims. Most people truly don't understand the scope of a battle. There are more factors involved in my statements then just a blanket 12 man vs 24 man. Yes everyone believes their superior pvp skills in the 12 man is epic yet against equally skilled 24 man its gonna get stomped. Take the battle yesterday my guild dies to WRX in open field because they outsmarted us. But it wasn't 12 people it was 30. You guys running around killing pugs thinking you are awesome. Really in a real pvp server there's a bunch of really good guilds and players. You cannot just run with 12 men and capture a keep because an equally skilled group of 24 players will show up and stop you. Sure you will be able to capture Drake if you hurry before an organized raid shows up. Yes you will get some good backcaps with 12 players but for every successful backcap I see 10 that fail. You can do lots of stuff on empty servers because there's really no one around to stop you.

You are deluded. That really is all there is to say.

If you are 12 vs just a group of 24 players in a keep you can still destroy them if you ensure your tactics and positioning is better than that of the opposing group. This has nothing to do with the individual skill of the players within each group, but a lot to do with the leadership of each group and how they respond to the dynamics of the fight.

In any event, I would go as far to say that in a lot (although admittedly, not all) of cases you will find that those who permanently run in a 24+ raid lack the same skill of players that play in small groups. You see, those that run in these huge blobs ("organised 24 main group", as you like to call them) become heavily reliant on that same group. Once just a few are lost the group dynamic starts to fall apart.When we run a 12 man, we can still remain effective after losing ~50% of our force if we remain focussed. That's because our group members have individual skill and use that skill in every engagement, rather than relying on the sheer brute force and meat shield of the zerg as you will find many of these zerg blobbers do.

It is very clear that no matter what evidence is thrown at you, you will continue to deny it is possible. I can only assume this is to somehow make yourself feel better about being unable to succeed in anything but a full 24 man raid. With that said I would simply encourage you to stop posting your nonsensical and - frankly - downright incorrect opinions because you are only making yourself look increasingly ridiculous.

Good luck, "Epic PvPer" (thanks for that nugget, @WRX!)

Why would you say that and yet run 24 main raids yourselves? If the 12 man is truly better then why are you running 24 man and even more? Everything you said can be overcome quite easily. Yes there's stupid groups of 24 main raids running around just as their are stupid groups of 12 main raids and stupid people in general. But you are automatically assuming the 24 man raid is stupid simply because they are running with 24 players and that's just wrong. Most of them have realized that 24 men capture maps much easier then 12. Everyone knows a 12 man can kill 24 men if they are better players and their leadership is faster. Yet in Chilrend NA we don't see 12 man raids capturing emperor keeps. Not because they are bad but because they united into larger groups.

We never had more than 18 people in a single group and even seeing more than 12 people in our group is quite rare.
No one of us is running in mindless zergs, no one.

So you won that fight last night with 18 people South of Sejuanis? Looked like 30 to me. Maybe it was 2 guilds?

Do you mean this one? 10. We were 10.
I think you forget that you play on NA and we don´t.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InPFjzXfDVQ&feature=youtu.be

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kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Poor Dennegor...Internet lines in France are made out of baguettes it seems

Soulac wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Garion wrote: »

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

I agree with @filmoretub17_ESO such small group can't take a keep alone. Where is the AD 40-man raid hided?

IF you are gonna quote me at least get it right. I never said a 12 man cant backcap against a 24 man raid. I said they cannot capture a keep if the 24 man raid is defending it. There is a huge difference and if you cannot tell then stop applying my statements to your claims. Most people truly don't understand the scope of a battle. There are more factors involved in my statements then just a blanket 12 man vs 24 man. Yes everyone believes their superior pvp skills in the 12 man is epic yet against equally skilled 24 man its gonna get stomped. Take the battle yesterday my guild dies to WRX in open field because they outsmarted us. But it wasn't 12 people it was 30. You guys running around killing pugs thinking you are awesome. Really in a real pvp server there's a bunch of really good guilds and players. You cannot just run with 12 men and capture a keep because an equally skilled group of 24 players will show up and stop you. Sure you will be able to capture Drake if you hurry before an organized raid shows up. Yes you will get some good backcaps with 12 players but for every successful backcap I see 10 that fail. You can do lots of stuff on empty servers because there's really no one around to stop you.

You are deluded. That really is all there is to say.

If you are 12 vs just a group of 24 players in a keep you can still destroy them if you ensure your tactics and positioning is better than that of the opposing group. This has nothing to do with the individual skill of the players within each group, but a lot to do with the leadership of each group and how they respond to the dynamics of the fight.

In any event, I would go as far to say that in a lot (although admittedly, not all) of cases you will find that those who permanently run in a 24+ raid lack the same skill of players that play in small groups. You see, those that run in these huge blobs ("organised 24 main group", as you like to call them) become heavily reliant on that same group. Once just a few are lost the group dynamic starts to fall apart.When we run a 12 man, we can still remain effective after losing ~50% of our force if we remain focussed. That's because our group members have individual skill and use that skill in every engagement, rather than relying on the sheer brute force and meat shield of the zerg as you will find many of these zerg blobbers do.

It is very clear that no matter what evidence is thrown at you, you will continue to deny it is possible. I can only assume this is to somehow make yourself feel better about being unable to succeed in anything but a full 24 man raid. With that said I would simply encourage you to stop posting your nonsensical and - frankly - downright incorrect opinions because you are only making yourself look increasingly ridiculous.

Good luck, "Epic PvPer" (thanks for that nugget, @WRX!)

Why would you say that and yet run 24 main raids yourselves? If the 12 man is truly better then why are you running 24 man and even more? Everything you said can be overcome quite easily. Yes there's stupid groups of 24 main raids running around just as their are stupid groups of 12 main raids and stupid people in general. But you are automatically assuming the 24 man raid is stupid simply because they are running with 24 players and that's just wrong. Most of them have realized that 24 men capture maps much easier then 12. Everyone knows a 12 man can kill 24 men if they are better players and their leadership is faster. Yet in Chilrend NA we don't see 12 man raids capturing emperor keeps. Not because they are bad but because they united into larger groups.

We never had more than 18 people in a single group and even seeing more than 12 people in our group is quite rare.
No one of us is running in mindless zergs, no one.