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Witcher style additions to ESO would be nice
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✭granty2008cyb16_ESO wrote: »MMO Engins are not made to handle this stuff.
It would be nice yes, but just Forget about it, it will not happen in the next 10 years
the division is coming out with dynamic lighting and weather system next year, oh and its a mmo, it looks just as good as the W3 but i don't think the engine that eso is built with would support anything more than its trying to handle atm :-)
division is not a classic mmorpg like wow/teso etc its a mmo.
gta5 has also a mmo part and looks better than teso, but this are 2 different things#makemagickadkgreataigan
#givemeaexecute
#ineedheal
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✭granty2008cyb16_ESO wrote: »MMO Engins are not made to handle this stuff.
It would be nice yes, but just Forget about it, it will not happen in the next 10 years
the division is coming out with dynamic lighting and weather system next year, oh and its a mmo, it looks just as good as the W3 but i don't think the engine that eso is built with would support anything more than its trying to handle atm :-)
division is not a classic mmorpg like wow/teso etc its a mmo.
gta5 has also a mmo part and looks better than teso, but this are 2 different things
Agreed. Where else can you go on multiple heist missions with friendly players then execute them for all their carried cash just after ending the mission.
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Mathius_Mordred✭✭✭✭✭
✭granty2008cyb16_ESO wrote: »MMO Engins are not made to handle this stuff.
It would be nice yes, but just Forget about it, it will not happen in the next 10 years
the division is coming out with dynamic lighting and weather system next year, oh and its a mmo, it looks just as good as the W3 but i don't think the engine that eso is built with would support anything more than its trying to handle atm :-)
So 2016-17 ESO-2? Or is that too soon to rewrite the game with a more modern engine? Perhaps a dev could let us know if the engine could support TW3 style systems or to some extent at least?
I play STO a lot too (Star Trek Online) and asking the same question on there got the surprising response that this even older engine can support 2K textures but they don't use them because of the LCD again (lowest common denominator), mind you STO has it's own problems so let's not go there.
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✭Mathius_Mordred wrote: »granty2008cyb16_ESO wrote: »MMO Engins are not made to handle this stuff.
It would be nice yes, but just Forget about it, it will not happen in the next 10 years
the division is coming out with dynamic lighting and weather system next year, oh and its a mmo, it looks just as good as the W3 but i don't think the engine that eso is built with would support anything more than its trying to handle atm :-)
So 2016-17 ESO-2? Or is that too soon to rewrite the game with a more modern engine? Perhaps a dev could let us know if the engine could support TW3 style systems or to some extent at least?
Camelot Unchained may be here by that point.0 -
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✭Mathius_Mordred wrote: »Mathius_Mordred wrote: »I have just played The Witcher 3, 85 hours and about 35% of the game complete, ready for the next play through after first reading all the books I just bought. The game is a masterpiece of coding and well deserved of it's very high ratings.
Thinking about the similarities of and RPG single player and ESO there are some aspects that I believe could be improved in ESO without too much sacrifice by way of needed PC power or lag.
Game NPC Populations
Too many times in ESO people are just standing around like manikins, the contrast in the TW3 is immense, you enter a village and there are children running around playing, a guy sawing wood, some women hanging out washing, a group of guards talking about witch hunters, dogs chasing cats, geese getting in your way, in effect it's alive, it feels alive and is fully immersive.
Weather and Lighting Effects
The lighting in ESO isn't bad, but it's way below the standard of TW3, to see what I mean take a look at this timelapse footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvuMzbjahFY
Now this may be beyond and MMO, I'm not a coder so I don't know, but how wonderful it looks, same for the weather, it's dynamic, you can see the storm coming, you can see the wind rising and you really feel you ought to get inside.
Character Models
These are far more realistic than in ESO, the cutscene dialogue options especially, we are talking almost photographic realism here, I guess this is way beyond an MMO but man it adds so much.
NPC and Character Animations
So lifelike, motion captured throughout, ESO I believe doesn't use motion capture and you can tell in the wooden way most things move around. The animators have done ok in ESO but please bring in some motion capture experts.
NPC AI
You don't walk 'through' people in TW3, if you hit them as you are walking they complain, "Oi mate watch out" or "in a hurry?" or various other comments. It's not perfect as if it's crowded it's not easy to navigate through a market square without a shed load of complaints but it's better than ESO by far.
Horse animation
When you turn your horse in ESO it's like it's sitting on a turntable, it looks horrible and it is. In TW3 the horse is pulled around by Geralt and looks again far more natural.
Just a few comparisons, there are many more, wondered what you guys think?
yes on all... but as others have mentioned, it's tricky with an MMO.
BUT it's not technical limitation. There are MMOs out there with beautiful horse animation (AoC) or NPC population (FF and LOTRO) or collisions.... OK maybe not collision lol...
So here are my comments (on top of yes I want everything too)
1. NPC population. ESO already have this. What we're missing are 2: children and advanced activities (not just walking from point A to B, or hammering the same sword in the anvil throughout the day) The problem is resource. That's a LOT of animation and coding for these requests, and with single-player, they have years to build on it, and pretty much that's it. no further development other than bugs. MMO? No, things kept changing, and they need to continuously develop new content. It's basically constrained resource.
2. Weather and lightning - They've improved on this, but the problem when they go all out is when you raise the MAXIMUM, you need to raise the MINIMUM as well. Meaning, people who are playing in minimum may have really bad experience (if they can play at all) when you improve on things. So they need to thread lightly and carefully. Or else that's a huge chunk of funding walks out the door.
3. Character models - see above.
4. Character animation - now THIS is slightly differnet. Instead of coding, you need to hire more people and code them too. So technically, this is even less likely than the previous point.
5. NPC AI - this is collision. This is too tough for MMO because of the multiplayer aspect on it. Assasin's Creed got this and it has multiplayer and it's such a resource (when not buggy) to get everything working properly. To have 100 people in cyrodiil doing battle with collision detection on? BAD idea. Single player like Witcher tho, other than the player, everything else can be scripted....
6. Horse animation. See #4 above. need work, but I agree. ESO can do better.
And there are LOTS in Witcher (and many other RPG out there actually) that I want to see in ESO, but it's just too much work to have in an MMO. And most times, it ends up worse than better. Players complaint, exploiting bugs, class balances, etc...
So yeah. Great idea.
But I don't think it's happening.
Good response, don't you think though, as someone else said, it's time they raised the bar a little rather than setting it to the lowest common denominator? I would hazard a guess that those with the lower specced laptops, PCs out there are not that serious about gaming anyway and would therefore be unlikely to invest further in a B2P game in the first place much less sub or spend money on crowns.
their bar is already fairly high on today's standard.
the problem is their accounting department. are they willing to approve marketing/development/art departments dreams at the cost of losing revenues from both current and prospective low-pc-spec users?Averya_Teira wrote: »
I just watched the Fallout 4 trailer. The graphics look.... dated. I mean the textures on that dog are horrible, looks like fur-coloured plastic. The game might be REALLY good, but so is the Witcher 3 with awesome graphics and animations.
Am I alone thinking that ?
Edit: But... that was way off the point of the thread... Sorry.
no you're not alone. that graphic's crap. but then again, Witcher is a really high standard to compare with. (even without the day-1 PC-bad-texture-patch fiasco...)Averya_Teira wrote: »
I just watched the Fallout 4 trailer. The graphics look.... dated. I mean the textures on that dog are horrible, looks like fur-coloured plastic. The game might be REALLY good, but so is the Witcher 3 with awesome graphics and animations.
Am I alone thinking that ?
Edit: But... that was way off the point of the thread... Sorry.Mathius_Mordred wrote: »granty2008cyb16_ESO wrote: »MMO Engins are not made to handle this stuff.
It would be nice yes, but just Forget about it, it will not happen in the next 10 years
the division is coming out with dynamic lighting and weather system next year, oh and its a mmo, it looks just as good as the W3 but i don't think the engine that eso is built with would support anything more than its trying to handle atm :-)
So 2016-17 ESO-2? Or is that too soon to rewrite the game with a more modern engine? Perhaps a dev could let us know if the engine could support TW3 style systems or to some extent at least?
Camelot Unchained may be here by that point.
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nastuug✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mathius_Mordred wrote: »Mathius_Mordred wrote: »I have just played The Witcher 3, 85 hours and about 35% of the game complete, ready for the next play through after first reading all the books I just bought. The game is a masterpiece of coding and well deserved of it's very high ratings.
Thinking about the similarities of and RPG single player and ESO there are some aspects that I believe could be improved in ESO without too much sacrifice by way of needed PC power or lag.
Game NPC Populations
Too many times in ESO people are just standing around like manikins, the contrast in the TW3 is immense, you enter a village and there are children running around playing, a guy sawing wood, some women hanging out washing, a group of guards talking about witch hunters, dogs chasing cats, geese getting in your way, in effect it's alive, it feels alive and is fully immersive.
Weather and Lighting Effects
The lighting in ESO isn't bad, but it's way below the standard of TW3, to see what I mean take a look at this timelapse footagehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvuMzbjahFY
Now this may be beyond and MMO, I'm not a coder so I don't know, but how wonderful it looks, same for the weather, it's dynamic, you can see the storm coming, you can see the wind rising and you really feel you ought to get inside.
Character Models
These are far more realistic than in ESO, the cutscene dialogue options especially, we are talking almost photographic realism here, I guess this is way beyond an MMO but man it adds so much.
NPC and Character Animations
So lifelike, motion captured throughout, ESO I believe doesn't use motion capture and you can tell in the wooden way most things move around. The animators have done ok in ESO but please bring in some motion capture experts.
NPC AI
You don't walk 'through' people in TW3, if you hit them as you are walking they complain, "Oi mate watch out" or "in a hurry?" or various other comments. It's not perfect as if it's crowded it's not easy to navigate through a market square without a shed load of complaints but it's better than ESO by far.
Horse animation
When you turn your horse in ESO it's like it's sitting on a turntable, it looks horrible and it is. In TW3 the horse is pulled around by Geralt and looks again far more natural.
Just a few comparisons, there are many more, wondered what you guys think?
yes on all... but as others have mentioned, it's tricky with an MMO.
BUT it's not technical limitation. There are MMOs out there with beautiful horse animation (AoC) or NPC population (FF and LOTRO) or collisions.... OK maybe not collision lol...
So here are my comments (on top of yes I want everything too)
1. NPC population. ESO already have this. What we're missing are 2: children and advanced activities (not just walking from point A to B, or hammering the same sword in the anvil throughout the day) The problem is resource. That's a LOT of animation and coding for these requests, and with single-player, they have years to build on it, and pretty much that's it. no further development other than bugs. MMO? No, things kept changing, and they need to continuously develop new content. It's basically constrained resource.
2. Weather and lightning - They've improved on this, but the problem when they go all out is when you raise the MAXIMUM, you need to raise the MINIMUM as well. Meaning, people who are playing in minimum may have really bad experience (if they can play at all) when you improve on things. So they need to thread lightly and carefully. Or else that's a huge chunk of funding walks out the door.
3. Character models - see above.
4. Character animation - now THIS is slightly differnet. Instead of coding, you need to hire more people and code them too. So technically, this is even less likely than the previous point.
5. NPC AI - this is collision. This is too tough for MMO because of the multiplayer aspect on it. Assasin's Creed got this and it has multiplayer and it's such a resource (when not buggy) to get everything working properly. To have 100 people in cyrodiil doing battle with collision detection on? BAD idea. Single player like Witcher tho, other than the player, everything else can be scripted....
6. Horse animation. See #4 above. need work, but I agree. ESO can do better.
And there are LOTS in Witcher (and many other RPG out there actually) that I want to see in ESO, but it's just too much work to have in an MMO. And most times, it ends up worse than better. Players complaint, exploiting bugs, class balances, etc...
So yeah. Great idea.
But I don't think it's happening.
Good response, don't you think though, as someone else said, it's time they raised the bar a little rather than setting it to the lowest common denominator? I would hazard a guess that those with the lower specced laptops, PCs out there are not that serious about gaming anyway and would therefore be unlikely to invest further in a B2P game in the first place much less sub or spend money on crowns.
their bar is already fairly high on today's standard.
the problem is their accounting department. are they willing to approve marketing/development/art departments dreams at the cost of losing revenues from both current and prospective low-pc-spec users?Averya_Teira wrote: »
I just watched the Fallout 4 trailer. The graphics look.... dated. I mean the textures on that dog are horrible, looks like fur-coloured plastic. The game might be REALLY good, but so is the Witcher 3 with awesome graphics and animations.
Am I alone thinking that ?
Edit: But... that was way off the point of the thread... Sorry.
no you're not alone. that graphic's crap. but then again, Witcher is a really high standard to compare with. (even without the day-1 PC-bad-texture-patch fiasco...)Averya_Teira wrote: »
I just watched the Fallout 4 trailer. The graphics look.... dated. I mean the textures on that dog are horrible, looks like fur-coloured plastic. The game might be REALLY good, but so is the Witcher 3 with awesome graphics and animations.
Am I alone thinking that ?
Edit: But... that was way off the point of the thread... Sorry.Mathius_Mordred wrote: »granty2008cyb16_ESO wrote: »MMO Engins are not made to handle this stuff.
It would be nice yes, but just Forget about it, it will not happen in the next 10 years
the division is coming out with dynamic lighting and weather system next year, oh and its a mmo, it looks just as good as the W3 but i don't think the engine that eso is built with would support anything more than its trying to handle atm :-)
So 2016-17 ESO-2? Or is that too soon to rewrite the game with a more modern engine? Perhaps a dev could let us know if the engine could support TW3 style systems or to some extent at least?
Camelot Unchained may be here by that point.
the keywords there is "may be".
And with all the other crap between now and then, there's more than enough to keep us occupied until it's out. 0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The Witcher Online has crappy graphics.
It's too tame.
Why can't it be The Witcher 3 Online?
And what do you mean, no threesomes? Why the *** is it even an MMO if you can't invite your friends?signing off0 -
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✭The only thing the witcher has on eso imo is boats and underwater exploration but that is easily fixed if zos are interested.
As for npc's around town there is also no real players around which are more realistic than npc's.0 -
Concenaros✭✭✭OP, I totally get where you're coming from but I'm pretty sure if ZOS wanted to bump the graphics bracket up, it'd be a long and drawn out, gradual process.
They would need to completely revamp certain things within the current game engine that they're using, recode their shaders, the way that textures are rendered and the overall lighting engine that they game is currently using.
It'd be a masterful undertaking to bump up the graphics to the standard that the Witcher has hit.
Also, falling in line with other people's posts, this is an MMO which has to be designed to accommodate different PC specs, Network Connections and platforms. So like I said, it'd be a long and drawn out process before we'd start seeing environs close to what the Witcher 3 has.
It'd be really amazing in the long run if they could bump up the foliage and lighting and maybe alter some of the skyboxes that they've used but overall, I don't see ZOS doing a massive overhaul like this anytime soon.
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✭✭✭✭✭I'd settle for ESO to have more Elder Scrolls style additions.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/170845/the-top-ten-elder-scrolls-tropes-missing-from-the-elder-scrolls-online
Ok.... Now that I've shamefully plugged a thread of my own.
I agree @Mathius_Mordred. While I think comparing ESO to the Witcher 3 is kind of like comparing WOW to Oblivion, I am on board with what you're saying should be improved in ESO. I think ESOs lighting and chatacter detail are fine but the clothing/armor, idle activities, and general liveliness of ESO could use improving.
Glad I'm not the only one annoyed by us being able to walk through people.
Edited by Gidorick on June 5, 2015 8:23PMWhat ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
Click HERE to discuss.
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✭✭✭✭✭The only thing the witcher has on eso imo is boats and underwater exploration but that is easily fixed if zos are interested.
As for npc's around town there is also no real players around which are more realistic than npc's.
Not that easy if you listen to the devs talk about it.What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
Click HERE to discuss.
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nastuug✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'd settle for ESO to have more Elder Scrolls style additions.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/170845/the-top-ten-elder-scrolls-tropes-missing-from-the-elder-scrolls-online
Ok.... Now that I've shamefully plugged a thread of my own.
I agree @Mathius_Mordred. While I think comparing ESO to the Witcher 3 is kind of like comparing WOW to Oblivion, I am on board with what you're saying should be improved in ESO. I think ESOs lighting and chatacter detail are fine but the clothing/armor, idle activities, and general liveliness of ESO could use improving.
Glad I'm not the only one annoyed by us being able to walk through people.
Oh Lort, no character collision detection preez. That would make movement in cities awful.1 -
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✭I'd settle for ESO to have more Elder Scrolls style additions.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/170845/the-top-ten-elder-scrolls-tropes-missing-from-the-elder-scrolls-online
Ok.... Now that I've shamefully plugged a thread of my own.
I agree @Mathius_Mordred. While I think comparing ESO to the Witcher 3 is kind of like comparing WOW to Oblivion, I am on board with what you're saying should be improved in ESO. I think ESOs lighting and chatacter detail are fine but the clothing/armor, idle activities, and general liveliness of ESO could use improving.
Glad I'm not the only one annoyed by us being able to walk through people.
Oh Lort, no character collision detection preez. That would make movement in cities awful.
I will always be a fan of WAR's collision (only active against enemy players) as opposed to all around collosion detection that would indeed make movement through friendly territories annoying. Though, using friendly collision to use a mount to kick people off high points - who fall to their death - in AoC has always been hilarious to me.Edited by BBSooner on June 5, 2015 8:32PM3 -
nastuug✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'd settle for ESO to have more Elder Scrolls style additions.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/170845/the-top-ten-elder-scrolls-tropes-missing-from-the-elder-scrolls-online
Ok.... Now that I've shamefully plugged a thread of my own.
I agree @Mathius_Mordred. While I think comparing ESO to the Witcher 3 is kind of like comparing WOW to Oblivion, I am on board with what you're saying should be improved in ESO. I think ESOs lighting and chatacter detail are fine but the clothing/armor, idle activities, and general liveliness of ESO could use improving.
Glad I'm not the only one annoyed by us being able to walk through people.
Oh Lort, no character collision detection preez. That would make movement in cities awful.
I will always be a fan of WAR's collision (only active against enemy players) as opposed to all around collosion detection that would indeed make movement through friendly territories annoying. Though, using friendly collision to use a mount to kick people off high points - who fall to their death - in AoC has always been hilarious to me.
I'll give you that. It was enjoyable in Warhammer.0 -
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✭Big TES fan, got into morrowind when I got it free with a graphics card and have been addicted ever since.
Morrowind was a jaw dropping moment for me.
I got TW3 for my PS4 and after 30 hrs playtime, said to my wife "haven't had a game feel so great since Morrowind".
There's something about it that to me is on a completely different level to any other game I've played.
The detail put into the side quests, or running through a forest and feeling like you are in a forest, for me, it's the best game I've seen for years.
It's not perfect (especially the looting, often have to move about a bit to get the "X to loot" to show) but neither was Morrowind.
I love TESO too and I know they are vastly different games. But I've played parts of TW3 and thought to myself how awesome it would be if the TESO devs did xyz like this. Sure some is impossible due to one being an online game, but some should be possible and just because TW3 isn't a TES game, doesn't mean they shouldn't be compared.
I would be very surprised if Zenimax devs haven't been watching/playing the witcher and I would expect those that have played will get quite a few ideas for future games, whether TESO or something else.
Things improve by looking at what competitors do and making sure you do better, not by pretending they don't exist.
I can't put my finger on it, but TW3 does something very right.
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✭Concenaros wrote: »OP, I totally get where you're coming from but I'm pretty sure if ZOS wanted to bump the graphics bracket up, it'd be a long and drawn out, gradual process.
They would need to completely revamp certain things within the current game engine that they're using, recode their shaders, the way that textures are rendered and the overall lighting engine that they game is currently using.
It'd be a masterful undertaking to bump up the graphics to the standard that the Witcher has hit.
Also, falling in line with other people's posts, this is an MMO which has to be designed to accommodate different PC specs, Network Connections and platforms. So like I said, it'd be a long and drawn out process before we'd start seeing environs close to what the Witcher 3 has.
It'd be really amazing in the long run if they could bump up the foliage and lighting and maybe alter some of the skyboxes that they've used but overall, I don't see ZOS doing a massive overhaul like this anytime soon.
Well I didn't actually state that much about the graphics other than weather and lighting improvements, my number one improvement would be to breathe life into the settlements, I want to see the people there acting like people as per the examples I gave in the OP.
It's true that some areas are quite busy with real players but none are acting like real people, most are running at insane speeds, showing off their buffs, or just standing still whilst they chat in guild chat. In many of the places I'm coming across now in Reapers March for example, as an EP player I find the towns almost totally devoid of other players. This was not something I noticed when I started playing in the EP areas, they were very busy because of course they are full of starter characters, by the time an EP player reaches the last part of Cadwell's Gold the population is very thin and hence the immersion is equally as thin, Arenthia for example is like a ghost town most of today. I assume it's the same for the other factions.
Another example, I recently watched the Silvenar marry the Green Lady, where were the crowds of NPCs? There were a tiny handful with the odd clap, I mean maybe that's a poorly written quest line, certainly not my favourite, but would it have been asking too much to throw in some celebrations?
No matter where you go in TW3 there is something going on, you can get off your horse and just watch the world go by, even listening to a conversation for a while will open up a new quest you wouldn't have found out about without spending the time observing the crowd.
I think this is definitely the part of TW3 I miss in ESO, or perhaps better put would be the area for development I'd most like to see, playing ESO now feels like ESO-lite to me, but I still love it of course, just wanted to throw a few ideas around.
Thanks again all for an interesting and lively thread.
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Concenaros✭✭✭Mathius_Mordred wrote: »Concenaros wrote: »OP, I totally get where you're coming from but I'm pretty sure if ZOS wanted to bump the graphics bracket up, it'd be a long and drawn out, gradual process.
They would need to completely revamp certain things within the current game engine that they're using, recode their shaders, the way that textures are rendered and the overall lighting engine that they game is currently using.
It'd be a masterful undertaking to bump up the graphics to the standard that the Witcher has hit.
Also, falling in line with other people's posts, this is an MMO which has to be designed to accommodate different PC specs, Network Connections and platforms. So like I said, it'd be a long and drawn out process before we'd start seeing environs close to what the Witcher 3 has.
It'd be really amazing in the long run if they could bump up the foliage and lighting and maybe alter some of the skyboxes that they've used but overall, I don't see ZOS doing a massive overhaul like this anytime soon.
Well I didn't actually state that much about the graphics other than weather and lighting improvements, my number one improvement would be to breathe life into the settlements, I want to see the people there acting like people as per the examples I gave in the OP.
It's true that some areas are quite busy with real players but none are acting like real people, most are running at insane speeds, showing off their buffs, or just standing still whilst they chat in guild chat. In many of the places I'm coming across now in Reapers March for example, as an EP player I find the towns almost totally devoid of other players. This was not something I noticed when I started playing in the EP areas, they were very busy because of course they are full of starter characters, by the time an EP player reaches the last part of Cadwell's Gold the population is very thin and hence the immersion is equally as thin, Arenthia for example is like a ghost town most of today. I assume it's the same for the other factions.
Another example, I recently watched the Silvenar marry the Green Lady, where were the crowds of NPCs? There were a tiny handful with the odd clap, I mean maybe that's a poorly written quest line, certainly not my favourite, but would it have been asking too much to throw in some celebrations?
No matter where you go in TW3 there is something going on, you can get off your horse and just watch the world go by, even listening to a conversation for a while will open up a new quest you wouldn't have found out about without spending the time observing the crowd.
I think this is definitely the part of TW3 I miss in ESO, or perhaps better put would be the area for development I'd most like to see, playing ESO now feels like ESO-lite to me, but I still love it of course, just wanted to throw a few ideas around.
Thanks again all for an interesting and lively thread.
Totally agree in terms of those.
The world could use a vibrancy overhaul and there could be more life added to it. Overall I totally agree with what you just said. I've noticed that too as I've been playing the Witcher.
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✭Averya_Teira wrote: »
I just watched the Fallout 4 trailer. The graphics look.... dated. I mean the textures on that dog are horrible, looks like fur-coloured plastic. The game might be REALLY good, but so is the Witcher 3 with awesome graphics and animations.
Am I alone thinking that ?
Edit: But... that was way off the point of the thread... Sorry.
So you compare graphics of a live game to a stream of a game that is not out yet....0 -
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✭Big TES fan, got into morrowind when I got it free with a graphics card and have been addicted ever since.
Morrowind was a jaw dropping moment for me.
I got TW3 for my PS4 and after 30 hrs playtime, said to my wife "haven't had a game feel so great since Morrowind".
There's something about it that to me is on a completely different level to any other game I've played.
The detail put into the side quests, or running through a forest and feeling like you are in a forest, for me, it's the best game I've seen for years.
It's not perfect (especially the looting, often have to move about a bit to get the "X to loot" to show) but neither was Morrowind.
I love TESO too and I know they are vastly different games. But I've played parts of TW3 and thought to myself how awesome it would be if the TESO devs did xyz like this. Sure some is impossible due to one being an online game, but some should be possible and just because TW3 isn't a TES game, doesn't mean they shouldn't be compared.
I would be very surprised if Zenimax devs haven't been watching/playing the witcher and I would expect those that have played will get quite a few ideas for future games, whether TESO or something else.
Things improve by looking at what competitors do and making sure you do better, not by pretending they don't exist.
I can't put my finger on it, but TW3 does something very right.
Thanks, somehow missed your post last night but I couldn't agree more.
I think the reason you can't put your finger on it is probably because it's not just one thing it does well. The story of course is taken from the books (which I have just bought, don't ever remember buying books due to a computer game before) and is pretty awesome so far.
The graphics are way up there, the lighting, weather, NPC interactions, cutscenes, humour, AI, etc etc, all of it add up to something far better than most of us have seen before, it's a game whose sum is greater than it's parts.
TW3 is a new benchmark in PC gaming and for me sets the bar high, very high. If I were a Dev that was passionate about my game as the ZOS devs are I'd be going over TW3 with a fine tooth comb, damn it I'd be offering those guys at CD Projekt Red a job or a contract or whatever.
MMOs evolve but at a slower rate than SP games, however here's a chance to see what can be done, and the point of my post was to ask if any of this technology could be easily and quickly incorporated into ESO. I'd love a Dev to comment if they are allowed to, just from a technical aspect, wouldn't expect them to promise anything of course but would be good to get their opinion.
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✭Witcher 3 certainly sets a new standard for realism. There are actually large wheat fields with farmers working them, livestock everywhere, roads with wheel ruts, houses that look like real lived-in houses, stuff that looks worn and broken down, war-ravaged areas, etc.
The "farms" in ESO are usually just a couple of buildings with a small garden, there are only a few small fields around villages (how do they grow enough food to feed all these people anyway?), and the vast majority of the NPC's don't seem to do anything really. And everything is very clean. At no point do you feel like you're in anything like a real living world.
Edited by Pallmor on June 6, 2015 3:12PM3
