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Racial Passives
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beardedJoe✭✭✭racials should be the training skill then the others can be a unique traits like argonains swim faster , and things like that that do not effect stats but still make each race different, instead of pure stats like max magic do nord frost resist , and things like that.0 -
rb2001✭✭✭✭The racial passives aren't equal. Humans aren't all equal at everything. Get over it. The slight differences make different builds and players interesting. Variation is what makes the damned game fun, especially when playing with others and each person bringing something slightly different to the table.
It's what makes everything interesting in real life, too.
Get over it.0 -
Xael✭✭✭✭✭Other than Argonian, every race has decent passives. Even Khajit.
Khajit:
30% health regen that works in combat is hella nice, especially if you are rocking Heavy Armor. Stealthy is amazing for opening from sneak. 10% increase sneak attack damage is quite nice (an extra 2-3k) on your opener.
Orcs are very underrated as are Nords. In fact you can make a ridiculously overpowered Orc character if you are smart about it (not giving out secrets here).
The majority of good magicka based players I know are all Bretons, not Altmer.
In fact, it is the good player that takes a race and builds a template around their strengths, not following the simple-simon cookie cutter bulls**t that everyone parrots. The only one that really falls short and is damn near useless is Argonian.Get rid of the racial passives all together, race should be strictly cosmetic, then we can really "play as we want"
First off, Elder Scrolls games have always had racial bonuses. Second, getting rid of racials does not allow us to "play as we want." We still have classes and weapon lines. The class based system ruined the idea of "play as we want." Outside of Vigor, you need to rely on class abilities or Resto Staff to heal. You must also be magicka based to make good use of the Resto Staff. The idea of "play as you want" is a deceptive.
I got killed in pvp, nerf everything...2 -
Jaxsun✭✭✭✭
The problem is that they changed the passives 11months after people created characters that had a specific passive. But they are adding race change to the crown store so that will hopefully solve that issue.1 -
Jaxsun✭✭✭✭Other than Argonian, every race has decent passives. Even Khajit.
Khajit:
30% health regen that works in combat is hella nice, especially if you are rocking Heavy Armor. Stealthy is amazing for opening from sneak. 10% increase sneak attack damage is quite nice (an extra 2-3k) on your opener.
Orcs are very underrated as are Nords. In fact you can make a ridiculously overpowered Orc character if you are smart about it (not giving out secrets here).
The majority of good magicka based players I know are all Bretons, not Altmer.
In fact, it is the good player that takes a race and builds a template around their strengths, not following the simple-simon cookie cutter bulls**t that everyone parrots. The only one that really falls short and is damn near useless is Argonian.Get rid of the racial passives all together, race should be strictly cosmetic, then we can really "play as we want"
First off, Elder Scrolls games have always had racial bonuses. Second, getting rid of racials does not allow us to "play as we want." We still have classes and weapon lines. The class based system ruined the idea of "play as we want." Outside of Vigor, you need to rely on class abilities or Resto Staff to heal. You must also be magicka based to make good use of the Resto Staff. The idea of "play as you want" is a deceptive.
I agree the "play as you want" is marketing b.s.1 -
rb2001✭✭✭✭Race change is beyond horrible. It doesn't even begin to make sense that you can know an Argonian and next time you see them they are a Breton.
How are people who roleplay and take the game as a persistent world even supposed to deal with that?
I wonder over the mindset of a player who thinks that just changing their entire race is a cool, normal thing.
Each character should live and be with what they are.
That they changed the racial passives is no reason to put a way worse change in.0 -
Xael✭✭✭✭✭Race change is beyond horrible. It doesn't even begin to make sense that you can know an Argonian and next time you see them they are a Breton.
How are people who roleplay and take the game as a persistent world even supposed to deal with that?
I wonder over the mindset of a player who thinks that just changing their entire race is a cool, normal thing.
Each character should live and be with what they are.
That they changed the racial passives is no reason to put a way worse change in.
I find the opposite true.
I wonder over the mindset of a player who thinks roleplaying is cool or a measure which to be judged by.
Moreover I don't find your dogmatic philosophy binding or anything more than an opinion, just like my own.
That said, more players care more about function and playing the game than roleplaying. Roleplay is a microcosm compared to the rest of the gamers.
I approve of race changes solely for the purpose of being able to radically overhaul without rerolling. Some of us have been vr14 since it came out, forrmer emp, 10k+ achievements, etc. Rerolling because changing race would make your character better in a specific area by 5% or so is just silly. Race change is perfect for this type of situation amongst others.I got killed in pvp, nerf everything...1 -
Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭
The problem is that they changed the passives 11months after people created characters that had a specific passive. But they are adding race change to the crown store so that will hopefully solve that issue.
Yeah, but when? They said they were adding spellcrafting and a lot of other stuff, too. I'll believe it when I see it. Alternatively, they could take an honest look at the passives and replace or balance them. They've set the precedent already that they're not going to adhere to previous Elder Scrolls games. Stop trying so hard to be unique and give the people what they want which is resource boosts! Stop trying to make broke passives work. Throw them out and make passives that are useful for an MMO. What works in a single-player game doesn't work for an MMO.
Also, they should offer one free race and name change. I don't like the idea of having to pay for their mistakes. I didn't screw up my Argonian and remove soft caps, ZOS did. They should foot the bill.Edited by Junkogen on June 4, 2015 11:21PM0 -
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✭Argonian + rapid maneuvers = Michael PhelpsBeen here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...0 -
Jaxsun✭✭✭✭
The problem is that they changed the passives 11months after people created characters that had a specific passive. But they are adding race change to the crown store so that will hopefully solve that issue.
Yeah, but when? They said they were adding spellcrafting and a lot of other stuff, too. I'll believe it when I see it. Alternatively, they could take an honest look at the passives and replace or balance them. They've set the precedent already that they're not going to adhere to previous Elder Scrolls games. Stop trying so hard to he unique and give the people what they want which is resource boosts! Stop trying to make broke passives work. Throw them out and make passives that are useful for an MMO. What works in a single-player game doesn't work for an MMO.
Also, they should offer one free race and name change. I don't like the idea of having to pay for their mistakes. I didn't screw up my Argonian and remove soft caps, ZOS did. They should foot the bill.
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Sethro_27✭✭They are the best looking two races in the game. You can't give them great looks and good passives, or those would be the only races played. It's like a good looking woman that cooks and cleans...
I keep hearing it's how you play. If I have something that has an arm cut off I can't swing as many times as you can and will still loose. Idk what you people don't understand about mechanics.
If I have something that naturally gets a bonus in stamina I will do more damage.
You get 2% i don't I'd do ten damage you'd do 12. You'd win no matter how many times I dodged because you'd dodge more than I, and get a last hit.
You don't use magicka to break a stun or knock back you use stamina there's an extra mechanic making the one better than the other they need to rebalance or redo stats mechanics.Edited by Sethro_27 on June 5, 2015 6:01AMI *** slap harder than you punch.0 -
Sethro_27✭✭They should have done stats like in Morrowind where you got bonuses in the beginning but you'd be the same in the end.
I *** slap harder than you punch.0 -
Sethro_27✭✭The racial passives aren't equal. Humans aren't all equal at everything. Get over it. The slight differences make different builds and players interesting. Variation is what makes the damned game fun, especially when playing with others and each person bringing something slightly different to the table.
It's what makes everything interesting in real life, too.
Get over it.
So how would you 1v1 as an Argonian? And why if you couldn't successfully and win alienate one player class from doing everything in the game successfully?
I *** slap harder than you punch.0 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭SturgeHammer wrote: »I actually like the potion boost Argonians get from amphibious. Getting a mini tripot every time you pop a utility potion like immovable, dectect, or speed is decent value.
You're kidding, right? A passive that can be used only every 45 secs aaaand that is severely capped whe you go to PvP...
sure sounds cool until you actually *play* as an argonian and realize it is BS.Edited by Xvorg on January 8, 2016 4:04PMSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique2 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Fizzlewizzle wrote: »A reduction on damage received while swimming would be a fun thing for the Argonians.
25/50/75% damage reduction against Slaughterfish (and maybe other stuff... mostly attacks from the waterside), which would allow them to actually escape into Slaughterfish infested waters.
I have another idea... each time you jump into a Slaughterfished area, you eat them, incresing your health regen.
Now that's a useful passive in cyro
Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique1 -
Sethro_27✭✭Exactly what I'm saying and developers should address this problem not alienate one player and loose their business just cause they wanna play how they wanna play. God forbid what will happen is they'll give them magicka boosys when they never been magic builds or been inclined in the series to be I think they gave Khajiit their recovery. Cause what did histskin dobin skyrim what bonuses did we get in Oblivion,etc. 45s I'm already dead 1v1 cause I'm getting hit for 6-7 and can hit 3% less harder than any other race.I *** slap harder than you punch.0
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SnuggleMePlease✭✭✭Race change is beyond horrible. It doesn't even begin to make sense that you can know an Argonian and next time you see them they are a Breton.
How are people who roleplay and take the game as a persistent world even supposed to deal with that?
I wonder over the mindset of a player who thinks that just changing their entire race is a cool, normal thing.
Each character should live and be with what they are.
That they changed the racial passives is no reason to put a way worse change in.
I find the opposite true.
I wonder over the mindset of a player who thinks roleplaying is cool or a measure which to be judged by.
Moreover I don't find your dogmatic philosophy binding or anything more than an opinion, just like my own.
That said, more players care more about function and playing the game than roleplaying. Roleplay is a microcosm compared to the rest of the gamers.
That doesn't mean that the interests of a minority community shouldn't be taken into consideration. I mean, I'm not calling for Zenimax to remove the option to change races, and I am sure there would be no clear consensus within the roleplay community. After all, we're not a hive mind, and I am sure not everyone would care.
However, at the end of the day, roleplayers have paid to be here just like anyone else, and have a right to voice their opinions, even if that opinion is in the minority. Maybe you don't like RP or it doesn't appeal to you for whatever reason, but that definitely does not disqualify it from being "cool". Forums should have a dislike button.
Cheers,
Snuggle
EDIT: I forgot to reply to the subject of the OP after I flew into a blind rage. Khajiit passives are actually really useful for NB class; they are some of the hardest hitters in game. Their critical chance can be huge because of their racial passive, plus they can do massive damage on their opener if they do it from stealth. The one issue I have with the racial passives for Khajiit is that they seem to be geared towards NBs, punishing those who decide to try and roll anything other than a Khajiiti assassin. I don't think racial passives should be so playstyle-binary.
As far as Argonians go, I tend to agree that they need some love.Edited by SnuggleMePlease on January 8, 2016 4:37PM"Heavy-bearded Y'ffre, speak through me. Tell us of the time before time. Let the story grow in me. Let my heart echo to the pounding of your feet along the story-lines, the bones of the world. I will walk Your steps, and know Your story."
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