Racial Passives

Sethro_27

So Khajiit and Argonian passives suck.

Moonshadow66

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Grimnaur

They are the best looking two races in the game. You can't give them great looks and good passives, or those would be the only races played. It's like a good looking woman that cooks and cleans...

Lord_Arkala

Khajiit make awesome NBs

Johngo0036

Yes their passives may suck but what they lack in passives they make up in looks.

I a khajit NB, Magicka build and he rocks,
I also have a Stamina Argonian NB and he is still a little low level to make a decision,

But they both look awesome.

LOL..

Jitterbug

But, but... swimspeed...

BuggeX

Jitterbug wrote: »

But, but... swimspeed...

could the argonian cross the river in cyro where you get slaughterattacked?
This would actually make argonian pretty cool, flanking the brige Campers

Khenarthi

Unless you're minmaxing, racial passives are not that important anymore: you can use your Champion Points to balance and strengthen your weakest characters. In any case, most of my characters are Khajiit and they do just fine in the game, even solo... and they look awesome!

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tinythinker

ZOS said that that they would work on the traits of a couple races in the next major content update (unless that has changed) but that for any large-scale re-balancing it would be better to wait until race changes were available. Sorry but I can't link to that at the moment, but it was something I recall from about a month ago. I read that as "this is not the highest priority", which makes sense.

Champion Points can help but everyone gets those, and having a nice racial bonus to stack with them can help. Racial bonuses are not make or break for every build but people still aren't going to like it if those for some are noticeable weaker than those for others. I have two VR14 and one VR11 Argonians and I can get by OK, but sure, I would love to see a little love for the lizards. Why not?

Alcast

Redguard/Imperial =Stam
Dunmer/Altmer/Breton= Magicka

All othe races got completely hilarious passives compared to those up there. ZOS logic

LameoveR

wanna racial actives.

Seth_Black

I really like Khajiit passives on my stamina Nightblade.
Tbh I got Khajiit character for each class ...and it's still fine
...and by the way it's not like passives make that gigantic difference and make you OP or too weak.
It's all about your skill and resources management/build to maintain optimal outcome for picked class/role.

Don't fix something that's clearly not broken.

tinythinker

Alcast wrote: »

Redguard/Imperial =Stam
Dunmer/Altmer/Breton= Magicka

All othe races got completely hilarious passives compared to those up there. ZOS logic

The basic concept behind Argonian racials (higher health pool, able to make more of healing, more resistant to challenges to health like poison and disease) is sound, many players just wish the numbers were better.

Alcast

tinythinker wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Redguard/Imperial =Stam
Dunmer/Altmer/Breton= Magicka

All othe races got completely hilarious passives compared to those up there. ZOS logic

The basic concept behind Argonian racials (higher health pool, able to make more of healing, more resistant to challenges to health like poison and disease) is sound, many players just wish the numbers were better.

Argonians had a good passive at the start with the 8% inc healing to everyone till one of the ZOS employees decided to *** it up and make it only 8% increased healing on yourself.

psufan5

None of this was really an issue until they removed caps... Now we need re-balancing badly.

eliisra

tinythinker wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Redguard/Imperial =Stam
Dunmer/Altmer/Breton= Magicka

All othe races got completely hilarious passives compared to those up there. ZOS logic

The basic concept behind Argonian racials (higher health pool, able to make more of healing, more resistant to challenges to health like poison and disease) is sound, many players just wish the numbers were better.

Because there's so many challenges with poison + disease this game? For a brief moment in PvP maybe, when everyone was spamming Lethal Arrow. But most dmg is physical or elemental.

Argonians are just wonky. The Restoration staff training combined with their original passives, insinuated that the race was going to be a strong healer. But after ZoS nerfed and changed their passives 2-3 times already, what they have now is basically a mix of mediocre tank passives and a gimmicky thing.

I guess that's the price to pay for playing the best looking race in the game.

Junkogen

Yeah, I don't get the racial passive design. Some are heavily influenced by previous games like the Argonian passives and others are completely different (Imperials had increased luck and a calming ability in Skyrim, now they're all Captain America super soldiers). It's actually the adherence to previous games that makes Argonian passives suck. Their passives just aren't that useful in a game that's about resources. Argonians, Nords, and Khajiit have no boost to resources and therefore they're weaker. Sure, Argonians have increased healing received but a Breton has 10% more magicka with spell cost reduction, therefore they can cast more spells which are also more powerful because spell potency is calculated based on max magicka and spell power.

I just don't see a way for them to dig Argonians out of their hole without completely changing some passives. The current mixture is marginally useful no matter what they do with them. That's the thing, resource boosts have way more utility than meaningless boosts to healing and swim speed. More resources means more everything. You can cast more and those casts are more powerful.

I've been completely mystified by the lack of attention paid to Argonian passives. They've only been making them worse and worse.

I'm waiting for the race change option so I can finally rid myself of this BS. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse they nerfed the potion/catalyst synergy. That was the straw that broke the lizard's back. I have no faith in whoever oversees this aspect of the game.

AlnilamE

BuggeX wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

But, but... swimspeed...

could the argonian cross the river in cyro where you get slaughterattacked?
This would actually make argonian pretty cool, flanking the brige Campers

I only tried once to swim to the Imperial City when I was done with fishing and wanted to get out of Cyro fast (on an unfriendly map). I almost made it to the island before I died and it was not at an ideal spot, so I guess it's feasible to cross the river.

R0M2K

Agree with Op, Khajhiit and Argonian pasives need some love.

- Detection Potion > Shealth pasive.
- 30% health regen in combat is pointless too.


Any NB should roll imperial/redguard or bosmer, not Khajiit.

@Zos could change that 30% in combat health regen for a 20% dodge chance or a 10% stam cost reduction for abilities...

Argonias... What can i say, swim speed.... #Fail

Fizzlewizzle

I personally like the Healing Received, as well as the swimming speed you get as an Argonian.
Although the swimming speed isn't that useful overall, it is nice if you don't like to walk around lakes and such (like me).

Poison and disease resistance fits them pretty well, Together with the swimming speed skill.
The potion passive is pretty useless, as 3% doesn't make much of a difference. If it should be potion focused then i would say that duration would be much more useful compared to the current bonus... or maybe even the old effect of increased potion effectiveness.

The health % bonus itself is pretty low. Just 3% at max doesn't make a whole lot of differences.
If they wanted to go for the healer vibe then giving them magicka regen would be much more appropriate.
Looking back at Skyrim, and giving them a huge amount of Health regen could also be an option.
In Previous games they had histskin. If they had such options in the current game it could be awesome.
(All forms of health regen will be doubles on an Argonian... or just a very high regen of its own.)

Last but not least the healing bonus.
It is nice to have, but it doesn't really help anyone else but yourself.
Giving them 6% healing recieved and 6% healing done would be an awesome combo.
Heal someone else and they get a 6% bonus. Heal yourself and you have a 12% bonus.

dodgehopper_ESO

Khajiit and Bosmer are the best thieves, there is no argument with this. The Detection radius makes it far easier for you to pickpocket or break locks without getting noticed. This also means it is easier to sneak up on someone and wrecking blow them without getting caught. It is true that players can use detection pots to spot you in Cyrodiil, this doesn't mean they always do so. I personally feel that Argonians should have this Stealthy passive as well as a high health recovery.

The only thing I agree with here is that Argonians and Khajiit could use some help. The numbers on them both seems too low. I'd personally bump up the Weapon Crit significantly on Khajiit, and do what I suggested to improve Argonians above. Nords could use a slight bump up as well. The Nord race is clearly designed to be tanky, and with this narrow focus should be slightly more tanky than it already is.

Additionally, the bonus elemental resistances that races receive now are not as good as they use to be. I'm not entirely convinced the minor boost to poison/disease resistance, cold resistance, etc is worth what it use to be pre 1.6.

bertenburnyb16_ESO

no sh*t sherlock

Darkeus

i give you my flame talent for carnage

SturgeHammer

I actually like the potion boost Argonians get from amphibious. Getting a mini tripot every time you pop a utility potion like immovable, dectect, or speed is decent value.

Also, if you pvp in BWB that passive turns garbage low lvl Potions that you can pick up by the hundreds for cheap into good potions relative to what everyone else has. 400 drams of stamina become 400 restore 4% max health/magic/stam with major stam regen buff, and can be purchased for less than 1k.

Moonshadow66

LameoveR wrote: »

wanna racial actives.

Actually, this would be an awesome idea! At least one spell or skill of which every race has a different one, and it would be awesome already^^

tinythinker

eliisra wrote: »

tinythinker wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Redguard/Imperial =Stam
Dunmer/Altmer/Breton= Magicka

All othe races got completely hilarious passives compared to those up there. ZOS logic

The basic concept behind Argonian racials (higher health pool, able to make more of healing, more resistant to challenges to health like poison and disease) is sound, many players just wish the numbers were better.

Because there's so many challenges with poison + disease this game? For a brief moment in PvP maybe, when everyone was spamming Lethal Arrow. But most dmg is physical or elemental.

Disease catapults and disease weapon enchants and multiple skills and a gear set that do poison damage in PvP make it useful and there are places where poison can be a pain in PvE such as level 3 of DSA. I've said before they should do more with disease (thought I also had a similar thread on poison but can't find it) and there is ample room in future zones/dungeons/raids to make more of poison and disease. Especially in Murkmire. If you could run through poison clouds or get hit with disease/poison weapons and not suffer effects like reduced healing that would make enough difference for that particular passive to be a fun racial perk without being OP.

As for the bonus to max health and healing received just triple the former and double the latter and it that alone would get people's attention. Swimspeed is awesome as is (but boosting it is fine). I've read and made several comments on the forums about Argonian passives and read and made lots of suggestions and I think it would be much harder to complain about Argonian passives being weak with a 9% boost to max health, 12% bonus to healing received, and immunity to a reduction in healing from things like meatbag catapults.

There are other ways to make interesting changes, but this would still be a huge improvement.

Nifty2g

khajiit is best

Fizzlewizzle

A reduction on damage received while swimming would be a fun thing for the Argonians.
25/50/75% damage reduction against Slaughterfish (and maybe other stuff... mostly attacks from the waterside), which would allow them to actually escape into Slaughterfish infested waters.

Lenikus

I have 8 characters, they are all khajiit. pretty much every class and build.
I couldn't care less about min/maxing stats. it's pointless. and I'm doing just fine with crafted sets, so I have no complaints.

Of course, if i wanted that extra few points, I could roll an Imperial or bosmer (*redguards suck) for stam, or an Altmer for Magicka (Dunmer (except fire mage DKs) and Breton also suck), but then again, i would not be playing a Khajiit. and that's a problem.

Also, Argonian swimming ftw.

Jaxsun

Get rid of the racial passives all together, race should be strictly cosmetic, then we can really "play as we want"