Damage Shields - A good Addon without the Shield-bug

Lhorion · March 2015

Hey,
I play a build that depends on damage shields.

In this video (

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEZS0mUZiTI ) at 5:36 is an example for a bugged shield. My UI tells me there was a big shield, but there wasn't. This bug can appear with this huge shield, or with a small shield. One thing always is the same: You cannot trust your shield bar and this means the death (what it means in the video, too).
I tested other addons like Azuras or GGFrames, but this Addons have just one bar for shields and health. So if I have a bigger shield than my health I cannot see my health (expect of the number which is hard to realize during fight). I changed my settings yo I can see FTC and the normal ESO health bar at the same time, but when I had the shield bug the original healthbar was bugged as well. There were the (not existent) damage shields, too! I don't know if the original addon is bugged because an addon or if the problem is in the game (and not in an addon).
Does someone have a solution? With solution I don't mean "Do not shield stacking" or "Remember when you casted your shields". I just wonder if someone found a solution fixing this or found an addon that is not bugged (in the case the problem is an addon).
Thx for help!

Regards,
Lorion

Sharee · March 2015

I believe the bug originates in the code that sends data to an addon, not in the addon itself. It can even be observed with no addons at all. So i doubt there could be any addon that would not suffer from it.

Lhorion · March 2015

P.S.: It seems that this bug appears in combination with some skills (I only had it in pvp). For example biting jabs (templar clss skill) often makes my shield bar not working. But I don't know exactly what causes the bug.

Saint_JiubB14_ESO · March 2015

yeah this will occur without addons, the default healthbars get perma shields which can also stack, but do not actually exist. If they fix the underlying bug, which has been around for a long time, it should fix addons.

Septimus_Magna · March 2015

I have encountered similar problems with damage shields, I use Wykkyd Enhanced HUD in combination with Shield Info addon and FTC for percentages in the attribute bars. Wykkyd uses the original attribute bars and Shield Info displays the remaining damage shield value / max shield value. This allows you to keep track on how fast your shield is melting to prevent unnecessary shield stacking.

Ezareth · March 2015

Lhorion wrote: »

P.S.: It seems that this bug appears in combination with some skills (I only had it in pvp). For example biting jabs (templar clss skill) often makes my shield bar not working. But I don't know exactly what causes the bug.

The issue is a bug in the API with the RegisterForEvent(EVENT_UNIT_ATTRIBUTE_VISUAL_UPDATED, UnitAttributeVisual) Event. It just starts returning junk data at some point.

I'm developing a Shield addon for myself to give a little better visibility and clarity into how much shield is remaining, and to give a better visualization of it.

Another big issue with being stuck using that event displaying your shield value is it lumps Harness Magicka and Hardened ward into the same pool so you could be showing you have 15K shields remaining and then you get 1-shot by a snipe because the 15K remaining was actually your Harness Magicka.

I mention the issues with the API to Eric Wrobel and he started talking about making it so that shields could be crit and such so I just dropped the issue haha.

Jahosefat · March 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

I mention the issues with the API to Eric Wrobel and he started talking about making it so that shields could be crit and such

A thousand pitchforks shall rise!

Lhorion · March 2015

@Ezareth thx a lot! When your addon will be released?

I know it wont fix the bug, but a better shield-UI would be nice, too!

k2blader · March 2015

I'm using Shield Info by Garkin and like it so far. Very sweet & simple though it is another icon on the screen.

Ezareth · March 2015

Lhorion wrote: »

@Ezareth thx a lot! When your addon will be released? I know it wont fix the bug, but a better shield-UI would be nice, too!

@Lhorion

There are many CPs to be ground out and much PvP to be had until the nerf bat is in full swing. I also have a couple days at least of video review and editing to do for my next video. I wasn't particularly planning on sharing the addon but it is a possibility.

I'm working on getting shield bars that display similar to ICE Hud in WoW instead of the giant box bars we're stuck with now. Eventually I'll Add health and Stamina bars to go with it so I can get rid of FTC unitframes. My development time is limited but It's slowly materializing ( =

I'd be far more motivated if the above explained issue were corrected so we could actually see our magick-damage only shield displayed separately from our magic and physical shield.

DisgracefulMind · March 2015

GGframes is just failing me more and more. Not that it's the actual addon's fault, but it makes it hard to determine my shield life when it displays a 1.3 mil damage shield lol

FENGRUSH · March 2015

Why arent crits applying to shields to begin with?

Ezareth · March 2015

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Why arent crits applying to shields to begin with?

A "critical" hit originates from the good old D&D days I think and it stems from an especially effective or brutal attack . It is kind of hard to land such an attack when your opponent is surrounded by a damage absorbing shield the rebuffs all attacks made against it.

Kind of makes sense.

FENGRUSH · March 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Why arent crits applying to shields to begin with?

A "critical" hit originates from the good old D&D days I think and it stems from an especially effective or brutal attack . It is kind of hard to land such an attack when your opponent is surrounded by a damage absorbing shield the rebuffs all attacks made against it.

Kind of makes sense.

Thats the most immersive roleplaying response Ive ever heard.

From the perspective of balance Im not sure I agree, but I like this response.

Lhorion · March 2015

From the balance perspective shields are one wa to counter crit. Before changing this I would think about stopping shield stacking. If I use a Second shield it could replace the old one, maybe this would help the balance. But at the moment shields are the only option for light armour user.

Tankqull · March 2015

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

Why arent crits applying to shields to begin with?

A "critical" hit originates from the good old D&D days I think and it stems from an especially effective or brutal attack . It is kind of hard to land such an attack when your opponent is surrounded by a damage absorbing shield the rebuffs all attacks made against it.

Kind of makes sense.

Thats the most immersive roleplaying response Ive ever heard.

From the perspective of balance Im not sure I agree, but I like this response.

as a compentsation for the crit advantage shields do not have any dmg mitigation. wich can be aswell explained by the same logic.

Erock25 · March 2015

I wish that at least /reloadui could fix our shield display issues, but even that doesn't work.

Tankqull · March 2015

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

GGframes is just failing me more and more. Not that it's the actual addon's fault, but it makes it hard to determine my shield life when it displays a 1.3 mil damage shield lol

be happy you are not playing with the default UI. having 1 red pixel resemble your healthbar while the rest is purple colored is even more horrible as you do not even have numbers for your health to rely on...

Septimus_Magna · June 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Lhorion wrote: »

P.S.: It seems that this bug appears in combination with some skills (I only had it in pvp). For example biting jabs (templar clss skill) often makes my shield bar not working. But I don't know exactly what causes the bug.

The issue is a bug in the API with the RegisterForEvent(EVENT_UNIT_ATTRIBUTE_VISUAL_UPDATED, UnitAttributeVisual) Event. It just starts returning junk data at some point.

I'm developing a Shield addon for myself to give a little better visibility and clarity into how much shield is remaining, and to give a better visualization of it.

Another big issue with being stuck using that event displaying your shield value is it lumps Harness Magicka and Hardened ward into the same pool so you could be showing you have 15K shields remaining and then you get 1-shot by a snipe because the 15K remaining was actually your Harness Magicka.

I mention the issues with the API to Eric Wrobel and he started talking about making it so that shields could be crit and such so I just dropped the issue haha.

Do you know if there is a way to reset the API for displaying shields? It sure would be a lot quicker to type in a command instead of relogging all the time.

Raizin · June 2015

IF u need addon to tell u how big your shield is after countless hours u spend playing your class, then theres something wrong

SC0TY999 · June 2015

Sharee wrote: »

I believe the bug originates in the code that sends data to an addon, not in the addon itself. It can even be observed with no addons at all. So i doubt there could be any addon that would not suffer from it.

I've even seen the bog standard ZOS implemented health bar bug out!

Cinnamon_Spider · June 2015

Raizin wrote: »

IF u need addon to tell u how big your shield is after countless hours u spend playing your class, then theres something wrong

When it bugs, the issue is not knowing if you still have a shield.

Sacadon · June 2015

As @Ezareth said, this is an ESO API problem, not addon problem. If you want a simple and dedicated shield addon right now, then @Garkin created one that works perfectly (aside from API bug): http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info799-ShieldInfo.html

Sacadon · June 2015

Raizin wrote: »

IF u need addon to tell u how big your shield is after countless hours u spend playing your class, then theres something wrong

You may be taking the definition of need too strongly in this case. In chaotic group fights, or after a few hard hits, you have to check such things. And in PvP you don't have a standard rotation in a robotic sense. Therefore, you cannot just re-spam a shield to make sure it's active without potentially creating another issue by over-consuming a resource. Something as simple as a visual as to the state and strength of it helps manage that. Otherwise, you have to ensure you can spam the shield and that changes your build. So need vs. really would like to have

Septimus_Magna · June 2015

Raizin wrote: »

IF u need addon to tell u how big your shield is after countless hours u spend playing your class, then theres something wrong

The most annoying thing is fighting with presumed full shields and getting one-shot by Ambush + Incapacitating Strikes combo. This happens if the shield just got bugged, so before crazy numbers and perma shield on the bar.

Like @Ezareth said, the problem is cause by: RegisterForEvent(EVENT_UNIT_ATTRIBUTE_VISUAL_UPDATED, UnitAttributeVisual) Event.
Which seems to return junk data after a while/certain skills.

I was wondering if there is a way to reset the value by typing in a command, this could solve the problem without having to relog. Also, its very strange that /reloadui doesnt fix this bug because its only a display error because the shields still work.

pppontus · June 2015

Can this be fixed please @ZOS_GinaBruno ?

It's been around a long, long time now and been /bugged many, many of these times. This thread have already done half the dev work for the devs, can you ask them to do the rest?

All_Bizniz · June 2015

pppontus wrote: »

Can this be fixed please @ZOS_GinaBruno ?

It's been around a long, long time now and been /bugged many, many of these times. This thread have already done half the dev work for the devs, can you ask them to do the rest?

LOL! asking @ZOS_GinaBruno to fix one of the many broken abilites in this game is like talking to driftwood. It won't to anything but randomly float around and bump into stuff. Good luck with that...

Maulkin · June 2015

Fixing the shield bug, the hp desync on killing blow and the multiple CC immunity issues would lead to much smoother gameplay and increased TTK. It would almost be like a new game for me.

C'mon @ZOS_GinaBruno. Get Eric to fix these and get him a @handle please. It's unfair on @ZOS_BrianWheeler to get all these tags for combat related stuff

Ezareth · June 2015

Septimus_Magna wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Lhorion wrote: »

P.S.: It seems that this bug appears in combination with some skills (I only had it in pvp). For example biting jabs (templar clss skill) often makes my shield bar not working. But I don't know exactly what causes the bug.

The issue is a bug in the API with the RegisterForEvent(EVENT_UNIT_ATTRIBUTE_VISUAL_UPDATED, UnitAttributeVisual) Event. It just starts returning junk data at some point.

I'm developing a Shield addon for myself to give a little better visibility and clarity into how much shield is remaining, and to give a better visualization of it.

Another big issue with being stuck using that event displaying your shield value is it lumps Harness Magicka and Hardened ward into the same pool so you could be showing you have 15K shields remaining and then you get 1-shot by a snipe because the 15K remaining was actually your Harness Magicka.

I mention the issues with the API to Eric Wrobel and he started talking about making it so that shields could be crit and such so I just dropped the issue haha.

Do you know if there is a way to reset the API for displaying shields? It sure would be a lot quicker to type in a command instead of relogging all the time.

@Septimus_Magna I've never found a way to reset the API, I end up having to relog as well and it's annoying. Just another annoying bug on top of the whole buggy mess that this game is.

Lhorion · June 2015

Raizin wrote: »

IF u need addon to tell u how big your shield is after countless hours u spend playing your class, then theres something wrong

Please read before you give an answer.

LegendaryMage · June 2015

Tankqull wrote: »

DisgracefulMind wrote: »

GGframes is just failing me more and more. Not that it's the actual addon's fault, but it makes it hard to determine my shield life when it displays a 1.3 mil damage shield lol

be happy you are not playing with the default UI. having 1 red pixel resemble your healthbar while the rest is purple colored is even more horrible as you do not even have numbers for your health to rely on...

It can get truly horrible sometimes.