Templar Bug?

Sharkano · June 2015

[This discussions is not in Cyrodil, but in PVE] So on my DK and my sorc I have no issue with any skills causing me to be unable to cast another, yet happens quite often on my temp. It is not lag, as I can move, and be hit by mobs, but all my skills are darked out (i.e. unusable) for 2-8 seconds, then come on again. Not a mana issue, as I have tons. Also, not a silence issue as it happens with different mobs. Is there some special problem with temps???????????????

Lettigall · June 2015

Sharkano wrote: »

[This discussions is not in Cyrodil, but in PVE] So on my DK and my sorc I have no issue with any skills causing me to be unable to cast another, yet happens quite often on my temp. It is not lag, as I can move, and be hit by mobs, but all my skills are darked out (i.e. unusable) for 2-8 seconds, then come on again. Not a mana issue, as I have tons. Also, not a silence issue as it happens with different mobs. Is there some special problem with temps???????????????

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/161959/templar-skills-bugged-made-useless-ignored/p1

david.haypreub18_ESO · June 2015

Yes, it's a special problem with Temps. The developers in their wisdom have seen fit to nerf the Templar by adding Global Cool Downs to some of their skills, which locks you out of activating any other skills for a while after casting them. As you can imagine, many Templars are not at all happy with this... but the developers seem adamant that the only way to balance Templar skills is to add Global Cool Downs to skills like Toppling Charge and animation delays to skills like Breath of Life.

You can read up on the ways in which the developers have tried to justify this in the link in my signature. You can also note that these cool downs and delays are one of the main reasons why Templars have consistently been rated as the worst class in PvP (other than in the pure healing role) since the game was launched.

Mr_Nobody · June 2015

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

Yes, it's a special problem with Temps. The developers in their wisdom have seen fit to nerf the Templar by adding Global Cool Downs to some of their skills, which locks you out of activating any other skills for a while after casting them. As you can imagine, many Templars are not at all happy with this... but the developers seem adamant that the only way to balance Templar skills is to add Global Cool Downs to skills like Toppling Charge and animation delays to skills like Breath of Life.

You can read up on the ways in which the developers have tried to justify this in the link in my signature. You can also note that these cool downs and delays are one of the main reasons why Templars have consistently been rated as the worst class in PvP (other than in the pure healing role) since the game was launched.

To add, all the inbalances and "intended by design" stuff are explained by BoL being a very strong spell. Like it covers all the lack of shields, CC, GCDs, bugs and animation issues. It often sounds like...

Hey guys, Templars need CC - BoL is a very effective spell.
Hey guys, Templars need GCD and animation fixes - BoL is already a very strong spell.
Hey guys, Templars need their bugs fixed - its intended by design and if not, BoL covers it all.
Hey guys, Templars need an escape tool - You have heal, BoL is op.

Natjur · June 2015

They added global cool downs to a few Templar skills (there are no DK skills with global cool downs)
But there is a BUG with global cool downs, where they trigger but never release. (so your just stuffed and can not use any skill)

Its why Templar's have screamed since Beta, REMOVE THE GLOBAL COOL DOWNS, why are they used almost solely on templars to 'fix' their skills. This game 'claimed' from the start, no cool downs, just animation lock outs and casting times.

Then there were lots of bots playing templars, so they added global cool downs to a lot of templar skills but never did it right and just broke the hell out of the skills

Area51Visitor · June 2015

I tend to get stuck in dark flare cast when there's even just a little lag. I'd love for that skill to work.

Natjur · June 2015

Reminds me of EQ and cleric's who had FULL heal (no matter how much damage you had taken, it would take you back to full life.

So this means at end game stuff, it was the ONLY heal that was any good and it means all end game stuff was coded around needing Full heal.

Same thing is now happening with BoL. Why make one heal so good that you have to nerf the rest of the class to hell and make all end game contents almost require a templar BoL heal.

Very crap design.

Skwor · June 2015

Sharkano wrote: »

[This discussions is not in Cyrodil, but in PVE] So on my DK and my sorc I have no issue with any skills causing me to be unable to cast another, yet happens quite often on my temp. It is not lag, as I can move, and be hit by mobs, but all my skills are darked out (i.e. unusable) for 2-8 seconds, then come on again. Not a mana issue, as I have tons. Also, not a silence issue as it happens with different mobs. Is there some special problem with temps???????????????

As many have noted this has been a serious design flaw from day 1. Also note that the insipid GCD randomly applies against other skills which should not even have a GCD such that a Templar often experiences GCDs on many Skills which are supposedly not coded that way (very egregious bug being ignored) with painful frequency making game-play clunky and very poor for the class.

dodgehopper_ESO · June 2015

Its a known bug. There are other flaws with skills that have been enunciated before. I really hope they sort it out too.

Sharkano · June 2015

It's totally unacceptable to have to stand there forever and be swarmed by mobs and be unable to do anything but run. They should at least add on the tooltip: "BUG: If you use this skill be prepared to be unable to do anything useful for a really frickin long time."

Robbmrp · June 2015

Sharkano wrote: »

[This discussions is not in Cyrodil, but in PVE] So on my DK and my sorc I have no issue with any skills causing me to be unable to cast another, yet happens quite often on my temp. It is not lag, as I can move, and be hit by mobs, but all my skills are darked out (i.e. unusable) for 2-8 seconds, then come on again. Not a mana issue, as I have tons. Also, not a silence issue as it happens with different mobs. Is there some special problem with temps???????????????

When this happens is your weapon swap "lock" showing? I get this on my Templar at times when the spells are locked and you cannot cast anything. I also know people who have the same problem on their Sorc's and DK's.

Usually it takes a dodge roll to unlock it so you can cast again. This is a weapon swap bug that's been reported many times. Hopefully we can get a fix on it soon.

milkbox · June 2015

Robbmrp wrote: »

Usually it takes a dodge roll to unlock it so you can cast again. This is a weapon swap bug that's been reported many times. Hopefully we can get a fix on it soon.

I've invested some attribute points in stamina as a magicka-based Templar *just* so I can roll-dodge my way out of being ineffective.

Sad state of affairs.

Woolenthreads · June 2015

I've noticed that a number of Threads have been locked by AlanG without explanation.At least two of them were cries of frustration from people running Templars. I looked at the Patch notes thinking that they must have fixed the problems and mentioned it in the notes but nothing is stated there. You've managed to avoid it so far. I noticed at least two of the faults myself and originally thought that they were lag issues until I read the frustration threads.

The link to the other thread that Lettigall gives pretty much has them all. I can only assume that the reason it was closed was because it had gone over 30 pages and was getting hard to read.

Animal_Mother · June 2015

Woolenthreads wrote: »

The link to the other thread that Lettigall gives pretty much has them all. I can only assume that the reason it was closed was because it had gone over 30 pages and was getting hard to read.

It's still open. Just got moved to the Combat and Character Mechanics section.

Too bad I mentioned I was posting videos to it when submitting bugs. I don't the Devs will ever find them now.

If anything @darkknightfkb16_ESO 's Templar thread is proof that the classes deserve their own sub-forums.

Amsel_McKay · June 2015

Natjur wrote: »

Reminds me of EQ and cleric's who had FULL heal (no matter how much damage you had taken, it would take you back to full life.

So this means at end game stuff, it was the ONLY heal that was any good and it means all end game stuff was coded around needing Full heal.

Same thing is now happening with BoL. Why make one heal so good that you have to nerf the rest of the class to hell and make all end game contents almost require a templar BoL heal.

Very crap design.

EQ got rid of Complete Heal in 2000 when they added more levels and more hp, by 2001 HoT was the way to go...

Dredlord · June 2015

Mr_Nobody wrote: »

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

Yes, it's a special problem with Temps. The developers in their wisdom have seen fit to nerf the Templar by adding Global Cool Downs to some of their skills, which locks you out of activating any other skills for a while after casting them. As you can imagine, many Templars are not at all happy with this... but the developers seem adamant that the only way to balance Templar skills is to add Global Cool Downs to skills like Toppling Charge and animation delays to skills like Breath of Life.

You can read up on the ways in which the developers have tried to justify this in the link in my signature. You can also note that these cool downs and delays are one of the main reasons why Templars have consistently been rated as the worst class in PvP (other than in the pure healing role) since the game was launched.

To add, all the inbalances and "intended by design" stuff are explained by BoL being a very strong spell. Like it covers all the lack of shields, CC, GCDs, bugs and animation issues. It often sounds like...
Hey guys, Templars need CC - BoL is a very effective spell.

Hey guys, Templars need GCD and animation fixes - BoL is already a very strong spell.

Hey guys, Templars need their bugs fixed - its intended by design and if not, BoL covers it all.

Hey guys, Templars need an escape tool - You have heal, BoL is op.

I had not cried and laughed simultaneously in many years.....thank you.

Dredlord · June 2015

Animal_Mother wrote: »

If anything @darkknightfkb16_ESO 's Templar thread is proof that the classes deserve their own sub-forums.

Well the problem with that is then the devs would have a much easier time ignoring all the templar threads and it would become a miserable festering hole filled with hatred that would never see a dev post much like the necro forum in GW2.

Woolenthreads · June 2015

Animal_Mother wrote: »

Woolenthreads wrote: »

The link to the other thread that Lettigall gives pretty much has them all. I can only assume that the reason it was closed was because it had gone over 30 pages and was getting hard to read.

It's still open. Just got moved to the Combat and Character Mechanics section.

Too bad I mentioned I was posting videos to it when submitting bugs. I don't the Devs will ever find them now.

If anything @darkknightfkb16_ESO 's Templar thread is proof that the classes deserve their own sub-forums.

Well that does explain why it appears locked on the General Discussion Category.

P3ZZL3 · June 2015

I wondered what was going on with my Templar over the last week or two - getting these random bugs where I was locked out and powerless.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Gina, can we get an official word on this please?

I'm about to roll a new Imperial Templar and I have to say, pumping in 50-60 hours over the next month really does not sound like a good idea if the skill and issues are still going to be there and there is a "Sorry guys, really not bothering about this for the next 3mths" attitude from Zos

david.haypreub18_ESO · June 2015

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

I'm about to roll a new Imperial Templar and I have to say, pumping in 50-60 hours over the next month really does not sound like a good idea if the skill and issues are still going to be there and there is a "Sorry guys, really not bothering about this for the next 3mths" attitude from Zos

It's not that they're just not bothering about them for 3 months... they're just not bothering about them, ever. In contrast to the majority of their player base, they think it is fine for Templar skills to be slower and clunkier than other classes skills... and no amount of rational argument seems to be budging them from that belief.

Robbmrp · June 2015

I had this issue last night again while farming. My spells locked up so I couldn't cast anything at all. As soon as I dodge rolled it unlocked them. I wasn't even swapping bars either, all spells were from the first weapon bar.