Draxys wrote: »

Ernest145 wrote: »

And really if you want to talk about what is unbalanced, i think they should make flame lash dodge able. There are so many majicka dks that are not any good but all they have to do is invasion, talon, spam block and flame lash. Dks are hitting 5k ish flame lashes that are not dodgeable and are literally destroying a lot of stam builds because of it.

And you think stam should evade everything when they dodge roll? With the current state of the game you can dodge roll forever if you want to. Does that really sound balanced to you?

dodge rolling doesn't evade everything. Flame lash, concealed weapon, majicka detonation, curse, radiant destruction and you still can be hit in between rolls if the attacker times it right. I can understand some moves going through dodge rolls but flame lash and concealed weapon should not because they can be spammed and also both hit hard. Yes people can roll forever but having flame lash and concealed weapon destroy stam builds is dumb. I rather have someone roll dodge away then being hit with undodgeable lashes and concealed weapons.

So much terrible misinformation in this thread, for starters anyone who says mistform and retreating maneuvers is an escape option is a fool who should be disregarded. Those are not escape options, you aren't eacaping squat with either of those abilities.

Second, why the hell am I seeing sorcs for example telling dks they can have an escape if they lose their tanking capability, there is multiple videos on this forum showing sorcs tanking multiple people with ease. In fact the hardest class to kill right now in this game is a sorc simply because shield stacking. They don't lack a heal thanks to healing ward being amazing. So I don't get the whole giving up tanking thing you guys are going on about with dks.

Nightblades are another class that really shouldn't talk, I have one I know how they play and they have very tanky setups available to them, one thing they lacked really was heals, which have been taken care of with rally and vigor, vigor basically flat out replaced gdb on a dk because it's so much better if you are stamina based, magicka nightblades of course have access to things like funnel health and the restro heals if they want. Those work just fine as well. Tanking you have the option of going sap tank as a nightblade which is one of the hardest tanks in the game to kill, so again no clue why they are going on about tanking options of a dk.

1.5 you guys had a point that I would of agreed with, 1.6 you've not got squat and trying to argue that dks don't need an escape based on how they played in 1.5 in silly.

no one keeps dks from utilizing dodging aswell...

I have semi reasonable escape with my stam dk based on mist form, bat swarm, speed+unstoppable potions, roll dodging, bow speed bonus and orc sprint passive. It goes pretty fast and I can usually escape short distances to friendly npc / players, or even chase bolting sorcs if I really want.

That's a good thing since most people would simply beat me if I stay around . The sad thing about stam dk is the lack of useful class skills - only the igneous shield is marginally useful, the rest is just weapon/guild skills so not much dk left there.

I think the class does need some love - e.g. in my current pvp campaign there's 1 dk in top 20. (and yes, I know the scoring is mostly indication of the amount of time played, but then again, why so few choose to play dk nowadays?)

Something I find interesting is that, having been out of the game for a little bit, I came back to see what interesting changes or fixes had been made...

...and see this thread sharing a page with a year old thread asking to Fix our Stealth! [Nightblade Shadow Cloak]. I just find it amusing that here is a player from one class asking for an ability from another class... that still doesn't even work properly. Seriously... this whole thing could have been avoided if they'd just made this a proper Elder Scrolls game and let us design our own class, or simply not had class restrictions on Skill Line access.

We do have class restrictions, though. That does create and enforce certain playstyles (something I learned rather painfully when they killed my old magicka Nightblade setup with some of the Skill Line changes awhile back; I had to re-skill and train up a whole different skillset to keep up with the shift in meta), but it does also give us some variety. Each class has nice things (though some of those don't actually work...), and each class has things it just can't do. The idea of a Dragon Knight going invisible or zooming away from combat does seem counterintuitive... if anything, a solid gap closer would be more useful from my perspective.

What are you talking about? Dragon Knights already have an escape!

Trust in the Heart of the Cards.

just invasion talons flame lash to eacape. gdb and mist if you get in trouble.

First off, learn how to write in paragraphs! I'm not even going to read your wall of text post.

Secondly, from your title all I have to say is, NO THEY DON'T!

Basically you just want all 4 classes to be exactly the same by the sounds of it. Stop your whining and trying to make every class the same. DK's and Templars don't have this for a reason, while NB's and Sorcs do. DK and Templar should NOT have such an ability because they aren't meant to be played like that.

If you want to run away like a coward then play an NB or a Sorc, not a DK!

A DK should not play the same as a NB or Sorc. that just doesn't make sense. So no class based escapes for DK are a bad idea, same with class based shield for NB, just doesn't make sense for the class types, it's not what he class is for.

*A random Templar came in to see DKs asking for an escape tool*