Mount Specific Racial Riding Bonuses Concept

runagate · April 2015

Stags > griffons

I like the worm, but I'm glad I'm not the only one that thought, "I want to ride a terror bird."

Gidorick · May 2015

Hey @Elfdominion4... you said you wanted a deer mount, most people hated the idea in this thread.

theweakminded · May 2015

Personal opinion, as an RPer, I would like everything kept lore-friendly, but sticking o that model is simply not going to make money n the long run it has a) limits in quantity, and b) limits in demand. People like flashy things, people like 'cool' and unique things. I like playing the game and that requires money. If they put little effort into some flashy mount that someone will pay for, that provides ZOS the ability to expand and produce more content. I can live with it, and anyone aging they can't is far too stubborn to understand the nature of what the company needs to do. Take your pick, p2w or tepid mounts.

Gidorick · May 2015

theweakminded wrote: »

Personal opinion, as an RPer, I would like everything kept lore-friendly, but sticking o that model is simply not going to make money n the long run it has a) limits in quantity, and b) limits in demand. People like flashy things, people like 'cool' and unique things. I like playing the game and that requires money. If they put little effort into some flashy mount that someone will pay for, that provides ZOS the ability to expand and produce more content. I can live with it, and anyone aging they can't is far too stubborn to understand the nature of what the company needs to do. Take your pick, p2w or tepid mounts.

I consider myself an RPer also. This whole concept came from the desire to have a Senche mount (An ACTUAL Senche, not a tiger, leopard, panther, etc.... a SENCHE) for my Khajiit. While it's not impossible that a Senche would allow another race to ride it, it would be lore-breaking to have every race riding a whole bunch of Senche around Tamriel.

This is, however, an MMO, so we couldn't have one race have a race-specific mount without the other races having their very own race-specific mounts. Initially, I wanted these mounts to only be available for their specific race, but with ESO being B2P, that makes ZERO sense... so I settled on race-specific riding bonuses. Some of the ideas are VERY lore friendly, like the Senche Mount. Some stretch the lore, like the Root Worm Mount. Some are extrapolated from lore, like the Stilt Runner and the Welwa. Some are contextually logical, like the Camel and the Bear. Most of them, however, are just to make it "fair" for all races... like the Elk and the Wolf.

Heromofo · May 2015

Dam Gidorick sorry for not reading this sooner and 100 votes from me bloody brillant.

Gidorick · May 2015

lol @heromofo. I'm not sure if you read the rest of the thread but there is quite a bit of discussion over what mount should be associated with what race.

I still think this would work great for ESO but it would have to wait until every single mount type could be added because we couldn't have one race with a mount that gave them bonuses and other races without.

Heromofo · May 2015

Dam Gidorick sorry for not reading this sooner and 100 votes from me bloody brillant.

Gidorick wrote: »

lol @heromofo. I'm not sure if you read the rest of the thread but there is quite a bit of discussion over what mount should be associated with what race.

I still think this would work great for ESO but it would have to wait until every single mount type could be added because we couldn't have one race with a mount that gave them bonuses and other races without.

Nooo leave it lol it is lore appropriate

Plus

Heromofo · May 2015

@Gidorick

It may be selfish but elk for Altmer is a must

Sorry fixed it

Gidorick · May 2015

Heromofo wrote: »

@Gidorick

It may be selfish but elk for Altmer is a must

Sorry fixed it

LOL. I think you and I are the only 2 people on this forum that would think those two make a match for one another.

And for me it was sort of a "default" because I couldn't find anything else that made sense. hehe.

Gidorick · June 2015

Hey @erichc68s, check this thread out!

Korah_Eaglecry · June 2015

AtriasNaradan wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

@Dracane @Panda244 and @TheShadowScout You know, the Altmer mount was the one I had the most issues with, personally... too LOTR, but I couldn't think of another mount type that would make sense for the Altmer. It doesn't have to mean they are "one with nature", just that they have broken the elk as one would break a horse.

It's not unheard of:

That being said, I also thought a really regal looking horse would work for Altmer but I thought it would be too much to have "special horses" for two of the races... so if it's horse for Altmer... what mount for Imperials?
I did consider a Griffin but there has never been any mention of griffins in lore, I don't think.

Oh... and unicorns are WAY too rare to be used as a mount for a bunch of people. I actually seriously thought the "exclusive mount for those that had been with ZOS since the beginning" should have been a unicorn. Cheezy, sure... but it would limit the unicorn to give it to some and never release it to anyone else.

Sabre cats were chosen for Breton because of where Bretons are in Tamriel. Aren't there Sabre Cats in Craglorn? That's a Daggerfall covenant zone so I kind of felt it was an easy enough stretch to make. Unfortunately, I ran into similar issues with my War Mount concept, Daggerfall Covenant just doesn't have a lot of options as far as wildlife goes, where as the Ebonheart Pact has TONS. I think it's because Morrowind and Skyrim both took place in Ebonheart areas.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/152462/siege-weapon-concept-war-mounts

@PlagueMonk I tried to find large, flightless birds in Tamriel and I came up empty handed. I too thought a bird would have been a good mount for Bosmer, which would have freed up the wolf for another race. I did my best to not ADD to existing lore.

The only thing I 'made up' was the Stilt Runner. Being that there are Stilt Striders, I thought it was an alright mount to suggest.

As for everyone not liking the Rootworm... That actually really surprises me! It's 100% lore appropriate (unlike most of these concepts, lol) and it's a really unique mount, and as I suggested in my Argonian concept:

Gidorick wrote: »

The Rootworm could emerge from the ground and the player would slide inside. As the player moves, the worm lurches forward, if the player “runs” while mounted, the Rootworm could dive into the ground with a disturbance on the ground showing where the player currently is.

The disturbance on the ground could be as visible as a mounted PC.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/147221/concept-for-a-future-argonian-centric-update#latest

I am NOT saying Wamasu not be a mount... just not used for the racial-bonus mount, There should be many other types of mounts not mentioned here that holds NO racial-bonuses whatsoever. Wamasu should be one of those mounts.

And thanks @vrine. I really enjoy the lore of Tamriel and ESO is my first MMO. It being a perpetually growing and evolving program I really hope that they will look at some of our suggestions while they are developing ideas.

Personally, I would have liked for all the mounts to have remained horses and there just have been different armor sets for the different races kind of how we have armor motifs, but that went out the window pretty early on when we heard Senche Mounts were on their way.

1. Give us any prove where they use Elk mount on The Elder Scroll series. Also give us an example of mass usage of Elk mount by Altmer. You say Unicorn is too rare, well Elk mount in Elder Scroll is even more unheard of. Just give them special type of Horse, they're that kind of elves...bunches of metropolis elves. So, Elk mount is lore unfriendly, because while it's possible to ride it, there's no record of mass usage of them as mount on TES.

2. Craglorn is located on the border between Hammerfell, Skyrim, and Cyrodiil (within Hammerfell). If any, it's on the territory of Redguard, not Breton. Just give Breton another special type of horse.

3. Bosmer riding wolves are already good, because there's actually one example on of them on ESO (one of the enemy at Bosmer capital territory, the werewolve one). But, it should be bigger than average wolves, that's at least as big as Senche.

4. There's no actual sighting of Griffon or Griffin on TES series. So far, they're more like a myth, just like on real life. Their name only used on tavern names and such, it point out to it being a myth. So, giving it as a mount is lore unfriendly.

5. There's more than it being lore friendly to see it as fitting. For Rootworm, they travel underground on a swamp areas. For one, they can't be added because it would be against the lore for them to walk aboveground, while it would spell unfairness to other rides on ESO if it travels underground. Secondly, it can't travel anywhere not swampy, how would they be used on mountainous areas? desert? grassland? hence, it can't be added as a mount on ESO, and be fair and lore friendly at the same time. There are other more lore friendly options such as Welwa, Alit, and other mountable creatures that lives on Argonian territories but travel aboveground and can walk on other type of areas as well.

6. Overall, while some of your suggestions are good and lore friendly, you also add bad and lore unfriendly on mounts suggestions for some races.

Im unaware if Dire Wolves existed in ES Lore. But its a larger Wolf and most definitely be large enough to carry a Bosmer. It would of course look a little out of place with an Orc or Nord riding it because of the size difference between riders. But it would still work. But that would heavily depend on Dire Wolves existing in Tamriel.

EDIT: I was able to find a mention of Dire Wolf in the UESPWiki. It doesnt go into detail as its under 'variations' in the Beastiary section of the Wiki under Wolf. Beyond that I cant speak on its hunting grounds or if it would suit Bosmer.

TheShadowScout · June 2015

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Im unaware if Dire Wolves existed in ES Lore.

Since the dire wolf is basically a pre ice age predecessor of the usual wolves... I'd say, any world that has wolves must at some point have had dire wolves.

So the question would more be along the lines of "are they extinct in Tamrieel, or still around in some remote regions of skyrim?"

And if the PTB decide that they are so they can sell a mount... then there practically is little fluff to limit their size. Horse sized? Bring it on, its plausible enough in a world that has giants (who may keep such dire wolves as doggies, just sayin

)

I just thought that considering how "elves riding wolves" is pretty much the starting point of the "ElfQuest" comics... it might not be such a good idea to take up that one specifically.

But as things stand now, I doubt we'll ever see any racially unique mounts, but limited edition crown store versions instead. And in that setup, dire wolves for all that are willing to pay their price, sounds like a distinct possibility coming to a crown store near you soon...

Cously · June 2015

It's a high fantansy game. We can ride anything and justify it. Bring the different mounts! Don't tie them to specific races! Racists!

Solid_Metal · June 2015

Cously wrote: »

It's a high fantansy game. We can ride anything and justify it. Bring the different mounts! Don't tie them to specific races! Racists!

well yes, but spesific/special mounts for each race can show identity/unique-ness of each race (the same as armor goes)

me personally fully agree with the list, except the elk, it's just so LOTR, but if there's evidence of elk used as a ride on the lore book or somesort, then it's ok.

as long as it's not a flying mount, i definitely agree

Faugaun · June 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

This is, however, an MMO, so we couldn't have one race have a race-specific mount without the other races having their very own race-specific mounts.

@Gidorick Why not? After all a mount (read cosmetic upgrade) is much less game breaking than say imperial +12% health and +10% stamina racial bonuses (I don't think imperial passives are game breaking either, soo there ya go, some people definantly think they are though). But whats wrong with saying hey sorry khajiit get a special mount if you want a special mount then play a khajiit

Volkodav · June 2015

Oh hey,I love the Jutland horse,the camel,and the Elk!

Darkeus · June 2015

these mounts... how come bretons have a saber cat and d elfs and argonians have some ugly bugs? bretons should have donkey...

Gidorick · June 2015

Darkeus wrote: »

these mounts... how come bretons have a saber cat and d elfs and argonians have some ugly bugs? bretons should have donkey...

You made coffee come out my nose. Well done sir.

I needed a good laugh.

Robbie575 · June 2015

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

DOVABEAR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cause lets be honest what's scarier than a heavly armor nord on a heavly armor bear.

@Forestd16b14_ESO

Technically it'd go like this:

Kodaavkiin, Kodaavkiin
naal ok zin los vahriin
wah dein vokul mahfaeraak ahst vaal!
Ahrk fin norok paal graan
fod nust hon zindro zaan
Kodaavkiin, fah hin kogaan mu draal!

Since kodaav is the word for bear in dragontongue. Though with the ones that are about to be released, it'd be Qahaar Kodaavkiin, or "armored bear".

But with your example it'd be:

Dovahbear/Dovahkodaav, Dovahbear/Dovahkodaav
naal ok zin los vahriin
wah dein vokul mahfaeraak ahst vaal!
Ahrk fin norok paal graan
fod nust hon zindro zaan
Dovahbear/Dovahkodaav, fah hin kogaan mu draal!

Forestd16b14_ESO · June 2015

@Robbie575

Enemy-of-Coldharbour · June 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

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I wish my Senche tiger looked like that.

Gidorick · June 2015

@Enemy-of-Coldharbour the Senche-Tiger you have is not a Khajiit, it's just a beast. A wildcat. The Sench in that image more closely resembles the Khajiit furstock. That Senche would actually be an intelligent beast with a conscious.

Not that it would matter as a MOUNT. lol.

MyM16sHot · June 2015

Haha this is awesome. I was just thinking what a good mount for an Orc would be... got me thinking about Wargs.

Gidorick · June 2015

CrustyMudcrab wrote: »

Haha this is awesome. I was just thinking what a good mount for an Orc would be... got me thinking about Wargs.

Well, @CrustyMudcrab Since Bears are going to be released with Orsinium, I think Bears would be the most logical pairing with Orcs. Welwa (as I suggested) really are too small and Iron Orcs would be the ones to ride them, not just any Orc.

MyM16sHot · June 2015

Gidorick wrote: »

CrustyMudcrab wrote: »

Haha this is awesome. I was just thinking what a good mount for an Orc would be... got me thinking about Wargs.

Well, @CrustyMudcrab Since Bears are going to be released with Orsinium, I think Bears would be the most logical pairing with Orcs. Welwa (as I suggested) really are too small and Iron Orcs would be the ones to ride them, not just any Orc.

I agree.

Whendim_ESO · June 2015

The chariot is a brilliant idea, as is the camel.

idk · June 2015

So glad this isn't neverwinter where they do have a bonus from mounts.

Gidorick · June 2015

What would be the problem with mount bonuses @Giles.floydub17_ESO?

Keep in mind, these bonuses are suggested for when a player is playing a specific race on a specific mount.

altemriel · October 2015

another awesome post man, Gidorick, I just love to read your ideas!!

If ZOS would implement even a small portion of your suggestions, it would make the game even more awesome!!!

AshTal · October 2015

I would say Argonians should get a giant lizard but ZOS does hate Argonians so I suspect we get the worm thing.