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✭filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »The only time we care to claim a keep is when we go deep into an enemies...... territory and then farm them; so they know who is killing them.
I do want to say this, they need the keeps to be more interactive. Let the players chose specific upgrades and give us a point to claiming keeps. For example in Warhammer online, a guild could load up passive buffs to their battle standard and when they had it out in combat or had a keep claimed; they got said bonuses.
That's a great idea I'd also like to add maybe linking your guild stores from pve trade guilds that would be interesting political advantages. So you could claim a keep in the name of your guild and do other interactions then choose which guildstore is represented to help players actually buy stuff.
That wouldn't make any sense.
I also ask again, please... pony up and tell us what guild you are in.
It wouldn't make sense to supply the keeps with guild stores that actually sell items? Or do you not know that when a guild claims a keep that the siege merchant also supplies items from that guild's store?
Nobody uses those anyway now that we have kiosks outside of Cyrodiil, and they were very barely used even before that.
Except for you, apparently. First I've heard of anybody caring about them in almost a year now.4 -
WRX✭✭✭✭✭filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »Aldmeri Vice, a guild of 10-12 people, will continue to claim keeps as often as we wish.
Deal with it.
So long as there is no defenders then you can take a keep and claim it to your hearts content. If there is 3 defenders you wont take the keep. And assisting the 40 man raid who is the one actually taking the keep gives you zero right to stand and brag about your 10 players.
Clearly you have no idea who we are, and thats quite fine by me. (Protip: most of our membership has forged an alliance with. and plays with, Tertiary Meat, for sake of larger grouping. When we run as Vice its usually a 4-8 man gank/specops style team and no more, small by design)
We are the guys taking the keeps behind your lines (if DC or EP) while youre all fighting Zerg v Zerg down south somewhere, and then holding it for hours vs anyone that shows up.
WRX/Decibel still owes us 10k gold per person for our holding of that emp keep for him (7 vice members took and held aleswell while the bigger groups did other things back on i think chillrend?), he will never pay up
He probably doesn't have that much gold lawl
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Darklord_Tiberius✭✭✭✭Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »The only time we care to claim a keep is when we go deep into an enemies...... territory and then farm them; so they know who is killing them.
I do want to say this, they need the keeps to be more interactive. Let the players chose specific upgrades and give us a point to claiming keeps. For example in Warhammer online, a guild could load up passive buffs to their battle standard and when they had it out in combat or had a keep claimed; they got said bonuses.
Is this before or after 5-6 of your guys start spamming healing springs on the ground to cause lag?
Just wonderin....
Its before 8-12 of your boys blob magika Det on themselves and try to get free kills. Fail troll = Fail player. Try again son, oh and way to contribute to the point of this thread!0 -
Mako1132✭✭✭✭✭filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »The only time we care to claim a keep is when we go deep into an enemies...... territory and then farm them; so they know who is killing them.
I do want to say this, they need the keeps to be more interactive. Let the players chose specific upgrades and give us a point to claiming keeps. For example in Warhammer online, a guild could load up passive buffs to their battle standard and when they had it out in combat or had a keep claimed; they got said bonuses.
That's a great idea I'd also like to add maybe linking your guild stores from pve trade guilds that would be interesting political advantages. So you could claim a keep in the name of your guild and do other interactions then choose which guildstore is represented to help players actually buy stuff.
That wouldn't make any sense.
I also ask again, please... pony up and tell us what guild you are in.
It wouldn't make sense to supply the keeps with guild stores that actually sell items? Or do you not know that when a guild claims a keep that the siege merchant also supplies items from that guild's store?
Ah, I see you completely ignored my question... well played sir. And yes of course I know that, that wasn't my point. It wouldn't make sense to have one guild claim a keep to then have that guild have other guilds sell their stuff there... you are basically asking for an auction house and ZOS doesn't want that.
I ask again, what guild bro.0 -
filmoretub17_ESO✭✭✭filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »The only time we care to claim a keep is when we go deep into an enemies...... territory and then farm them; so they know who is killing them.
I do want to say this, they need the keeps to be more interactive. Let the players chose specific upgrades and give us a point to claiming keeps. For example in Warhammer online, a guild could load up passive buffs to their battle standard and when they had it out in combat or had a keep claimed; they got said bonuses.
That's a great idea I'd also like to add maybe linking your guild stores from pve trade guilds that would be interesting political advantages. So you could claim a keep in the name of your guild and do other interactions then choose which guildstore is represented to help players actually buy stuff.
That wouldn't make any sense.
I also ask again, please... pony up and tell us what guild you are in.
It wouldn't make sense to supply the keeps with guild stores that actually sell items? Or do you not know that when a guild claims a keep that the siege merchant also supplies items from that guild's store?
Nobody uses those anyway now that we have kiosks outside of Cyrodiil, and they were very barely used even before that.
Except for you, apparently. First I've heard of anybody caring about them in almost a year now.
Nobody is using them because they don't sell anything. If they were a reliable source of product then people would start using them. The whole reason they exist. Otherwise just take it out.0 -
Sensesfail13✭✭✭✭filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »I know its funny to have a troll name on a keep but they need to make it so you must have at least 100 members to claim a keep. Anything is better then how it is right now.
Get to it faster, worst idea since implementing 1.6 live. And for anybody whining about the trade guilds, just have it so you can access the guild stores through your banker like you used to be able to.Wisherr, Dragonknight, Haderus, NA Server.
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✭filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »The only time we care to claim a keep is when we go deep into an enemies...... territory and then farm them; so they know who is killing them.
I do want to say this, they need the keeps to be more interactive. Let the players chose specific upgrades and give us a point to claiming keeps. For example in Warhammer online, a guild could load up passive buffs to their battle standard and when they had it out in combat or had a keep claimed; they got said bonuses.
That's a great idea I'd also like to add maybe linking your guild stores from pve trade guilds that would be interesting political advantages. So you could claim a keep in the name of your guild and do other interactions then choose which guildstore is represented to help players actually buy stuff.
That wouldn't make any sense.
I also ask again, please... pony up and tell us what guild you are in.
It wouldn't make sense to supply the keeps with guild stores that actually sell items? Or do you not know that when a guild claims a keep that the siege merchant also supplies items from that guild's store?
Nobody uses those anyway now that we have kiosks outside of Cyrodiil, and they were very barely used even before that.
Except for you, apparently. First I've heard of anybody caring about them in almost a year now.
Nobody is using them because they don't sell anything. If they were a reliable source of product then people would start using them. The whole reason they exist. Otherwise just take it out.
Nobody used them even when they were the only means of selling goods to the general public outside of zone chat.
The keeps flip too often for it to be reliable in any way, and nobody defended keeps that much in favor of Emp flipping instead. There were entire guilds where everyone had the Former Emperor title.
I don't mind taking them out. I doubt very many people would.2 -
PeggymoeXD✭✭✭✭filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »I know its funny to have a troll name on a keep but they need to make it so you must have at least 100 members to claim a keep. Anything is better then how it is right now.
There are wayyyyyy bigger things to be worried about. Also, I have a very small PvP guild, because I don't recruit just everybody who is willing to sacrifice themselves in the name of AP. So 100 people is stupid.Kitty DK
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Correct me if I am wrong, but other then a store for your guild, there are no benefits to claiming a keep?
Edited by Siliconhobbit_ESO on May 29, 2015 12:26AM1 -
filmoretub17_ESO✭✭✭Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »Correct me if I am wrong, but other then a store for your guild, there are no benefits to claiming a keep?
You are correct there is no other benefit other then advertisement. Or bragging rights on who got to the siege merchant first.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »Correct me if I am wrong, but other then a store for your guild, there are no benefits to claiming a keep?
You are correct there is no other benefit other then advertisement. Or bragging rights on who got to the siege merchant first.
Or because my guild did what the zerg blob couldnt, and actually take an objective while the big bad super organized megaguild got wiped on the breach by oil.@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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Alright then. The ONLY reason to claim a keep is for the store benefit. So for those players that would like to have a guild store available, or NEED to have a guild store available, it's imperative to get one in Cyrodiil and troll guilds are just that, trolls.
I think that claiming a keep should be locked out to guilds at a bare MINIMUM of 50 players in a guild. That's the minimum number any guild needs before it can unlock the guild store anyways.
The majority of PvPers may not care about the guild store, but some of us actually use them and advertise them in Cyrodiil. It's a shame to put in all the work capturing a keep to have some jerk come along and claim the keep before we can, and have nothing what-so-ever in their guild store for sale.2 -
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✭Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »Alright then. The ONLY reason to claim a keep is for the store benefit. So for those players that would like to have a guild store available, or NEED to have a guild store available, it's imperative to get one in Cyrodiil
No. ESO introduced Guild Trader Kiosks outside of Cyrodiil especially for you. You can bid on them like everyone else, and this is where the VAST MAJORITY of guild store selling is done.
So, just no.Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »The majority of PvPers may not care about the guild store, but some of us actually use them and advertise them in Cyrodiil.
Who are you? I've never seen anyone use them since Guild Traders were introduced in the game, which is over half a year ago now. I've definitely never seen anyone advertise their keep sellers in Cyro, just people peddling wares individually in zone chat.
...and even that is rare.
You are clearly a very, very tiny minority.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭In all fairness, I have yet to see anything worth buying in a guild store in Cyrodiil anyway. Unless its a guild that has a kiosk already in Rawlka or Elden or Deshaan (a major trade guild, in other words)
So really, the whole idea that you need a trader in Cyro is kinda silly, being a member of multiple trade guilds like I am, I never shop at any of those other ones, because its always crap thats priced way over value, and/or stuff no one needs.
Most are just junk dumps off of people wishfully thinking someone might buy it, and in the end, no one ever does.Edited by Rylana on May 29, 2015 6:13AM@rylanadionysis == Closed Beta Tester October 2013 == Retired October 2016 == Uninstalled @ One Tamriel Release == Inactive Indefinitely
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✭✭filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »I know its funny to have a troll name on a keep but they need to make it so you must have at least 100 members to claim a keep. Anything is better then how it is right now.
You don't like "Bleakers nightclub"?
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✭It takes only 10 to get a guild bank, and that seems enough, so why not 10 for keep claims? Most of the troll claims are by people singularly, and 10 would stop the majority of them from happening.
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JDar✭✭✭✭✭filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »Keep names have traditionally been the billboards of Cyrodiil. They provide important political, social, and comedic commentary on life in AvAvA. Often times their "statements" are a lot better than the junk in zone chat.
I just get tired of leaving cyrodiil every time I need to buy food or potions. You know the guild stores in cyrodiil don't sell anything so you don't even bother.
I know that your guild store is accessible if your guild owns the keep. I've never actually tried to use one as I'm usually busy trying to defend the keep from banana blobs.
Usually there are pots and food and stuff in the MiSfiTz guild store. The tripots go fast, usually plenty of Spell Power Panaceas though.
Check it out when you see it!
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Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »Alright then. The ONLY reason to claim a keep is for the store benefit. So for those players that would like to have a guild store available, or NEED to have a guild store available, it's imperative to get one in Cyrodiil
No. ESO introduced Guild Trader Kiosks outside of Cyrodiil especially for you. You can bid on them like everyone else, and this is where the VAST MAJORITY of guild store selling is done.
So, just no.Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »The majority of PvPers may not care about the guild store, but some of us actually use them and advertise them in Cyrodiil.
Who are you? I've never seen anyone use them since Guild Traders were introduced in the game, which is over half a year ago now. I've definitely never seen anyone advertise their keep sellers in Cyro, just people peddling wares individually in zone chat.
...and even that is rare.
You are clearly a very, very tiny minority.
Do you have ANY idea how expensive Kiosks in PvE lands have become? 200k, 300k, 500k or MORE, and that's just for the crappy locations. It is getting harder and harder to afford ANY location at all, let alone a crappy location. It requires a MASSIVE amount of trading within a trade guild economy in order to afford kiosks these days and ANY help we can get is good.
Just because you personally do not see guilds advertising in Cyrodiil doesn't mean it's not happening. What's the POINT of having guild trader kiosks available in Cyrodiil if no one is going to use them?
Some weeks, these kiosks in Cyrodiil are the ONLY traders our guild store has available and when we get a keep we do what we can to keep it, EVEN if it's only for a couple of hours. The sales we get in those precious hours are better then nothing and when we work hard to capture a keep and some troll comes along at the last second and claims the keep while we're standing there trying to do the same thing, it's enough to make you scream.
Just because some players have a limited view and scope of the 'playing field' doesn't mean the rest of us should be subjected to your own deficiencies.2 -
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✭Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »Alright then. The ONLY reason to claim a keep is for the store benefit. So for those players that would like to have a guild store available, or NEED to have a guild store available, it's imperative to get one in Cyrodiil
No. ESO introduced Guild Trader Kiosks outside of Cyrodiil especially for you. You can bid on them like everyone else, and this is where the VAST MAJORITY of guild store selling is done.
So, just no.Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »The majority of PvPers may not care about the guild store, but some of us actually use them and advertise them in Cyrodiil.
Who are you? I've never seen anyone use them since Guild Traders were introduced in the game, which is over half a year ago now. I've definitely never seen anyone advertise their keep sellers in Cyro, just people peddling wares individually in zone chat.
...and even that is rare.
You are clearly a very, very tiny minority.
Do you have ANY idea how expensive Kiosks in PvE lands have become? 200k, 300k, 500k or MORE, and that's just for the crappy locations. It is getting harder and harder to afford ANY location at all, let alone a crappy location. It requires a MASSIVE amount of trading within a trade guild economy in order to afford kiosks these days and ANY help we can get is good.
Just because you personally do not see guilds advertising in Cyrodiil doesn't mean it's not happening. What's the POINT of having guild trader kiosks available in Cyrodiil if no one is going to use them?
Some weeks, these kiosks in Cyrodiil are the ONLY traders our guild store has available and when we get a keep we do what we can to keep it, EVEN if it's only for a couple of hours. The sales we get in those precious hours are better then nothing and when we work hard to capture a keep and some troll comes along at the last second and claims the keep while we're standing there trying to do the same thing, it's enough to make you scream.
Just because some players have a limited view and scope of the 'playing field' doesn't mean the rest of us should be subjected to your own deficiencies.
I'm not even sure what you're on about right now. The stores in Cyro still exist and you can still use them.
The person I was responding to before you came along wants LESS people to be able to use them, not more.
And you're defending that? Okay, guy.
Also, you said that it was imperative to get one in Cyrodiil if you wanted to have a guild store available, and that is simply not true whatsoever.
Edited by Varicite on May 29, 2015 2:13PM1 -
Mako1132✭✭✭✭✭Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »Alright then. The ONLY reason to claim a keep is for the store benefit. So for those players that would like to have a guild store available, or NEED to have a guild store available, it's imperative to get one in Cyrodiil
No. ESO introduced Guild Trader Kiosks outside of Cyrodiil especially for you. You can bid on them like everyone else, and this is where the VAST MAJORITY of guild store selling is done.
So, just no.Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »The majority of PvPers may not care about the guild store, but some of us actually use them and advertise them in Cyrodiil.
Who are you? I've never seen anyone use them since Guild Traders were introduced in the game, which is over half a year ago now. I've definitely never seen anyone advertise their keep sellers in Cyro, just people peddling wares individually in zone chat.
...and even that is rare.
You are clearly a very, very tiny minority.
Do you have ANY idea how expensive Kiosks in PvE lands have become? 200k, 300k, 500k or MORE, and that's just for the crappy locations. It is getting harder and harder to afford ANY location at all, let alone a crappy location. It requires a MASSIVE amount of trading within a trade guild economy in order to afford kiosks these days and ANY help we can get is good.
Just because you personally do not see guilds advertising in Cyrodiil doesn't mean it's not happening. What's the POINT of having guild trader kiosks available in Cyrodiil if no one is going to use them?
Some weeks, these kiosks in Cyrodiil are the ONLY traders our guild store has available and when we get a keep we do what we can to keep it, EVEN if it's only for a couple of hours. The sales we get in those precious hours are better then nothing and when we work hard to capture a keep and some troll comes along at the last second and claims the keep while we're standing there trying to do the same thing, it's enough to make you scream.
Just because some players have a limited view and scope of the 'playing field' doesn't mean the rest of us should be subjected to your own deficiencies.
Yes, its totally fair to assume that the "troll" in this case wasn't providing any benefit to the keep siege whatsoever.... yes.... totally it was your guild group that did all the work.... no way that the troll wasn't running with others as well, most likely helping the siege... instead its far more likely he just stood there giggling... waiting for his opportunity to strike.... alone.... yeah... if you don't get the claim thats your own fault. If this fictitious scenario you brought up really existed its even more your fault... you could have an entire groups worth of people attempting to complain compared to 1 guy and you let the 1 guy claim....0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »Alright then. The ONLY reason to claim a keep is for the store benefit. So for those players that would like to have a guild store available, or NEED to have a guild store available, it's imperative to get one in Cyrodiil
No. ESO introduced Guild Trader Kiosks outside of Cyrodiil especially for you. You can bid on them like everyone else, and this is where the VAST MAJORITY of guild store selling is done.
So, just no.Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »The majority of PvPers may not care about the guild store, but some of us actually use them and advertise them in Cyrodiil.
Who are you? I've never seen anyone use them since Guild Traders were introduced in the game, which is over half a year ago now. I've definitely never seen anyone advertise their keep sellers in Cyro, just people peddling wares individually in zone chat.
...and even that is rare.
You are clearly a very, very tiny minority.
Do you have ANY idea how expensive Kiosks in PvE lands have become? 200k, 300k, 500k or MORE, and that's just for the crappy locations. It is getting harder and harder to afford ANY location at all, let alone a crappy location. It requires a MASSIVE amount of trading within a trade guild economy in order to afford kiosks these days and ANY help we can get is good.
Just because you personally do not see guilds advertising in Cyrodiil doesn't mean it's not happening. What's the POINT of having guild trader kiosks available in Cyrodiil if no one is going to use them?
Some weeks, these kiosks in Cyrodiil are the ONLY traders our guild store has available and when we get a keep we do what we can to keep it, EVEN if it's only for a couple of hours. The sales we get in those precious hours are better then nothing and when we work hard to capture a keep and some troll comes along at the last second and claims the keep while we're standing there trying to do the same thing, it's enough to make you scream.
Just because some players have a limited view and scope of the 'playing field' doesn't mean the rest of us should be subjected to your own deficiencies.- guild kiosks dont cost 500K for "crappy" locations
- your guild has no more right than any other guild for a cyrodiil keep
- when another guild claim a keep, they "troll" it. when you claim a keep, it's legitimate. ok...
- there are many many many more pointless things in cryodiil that quite frankly are greater concern than guild kiosks. 90% of the map is pointless for starters.
- sorry, it is not the "only" reason to claim a keep in cyrodiil for a store trader. this is just wrong.
- i'm sure all the EP are heartbroken they can;t shop @ Glademist because "Namira's Love Palace" claimed it
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✭✭Seriously dude, just give it up. It's not going to happen for two main reasons: keeps flip too often for it to be useful, and some guilds with only a few people want to claim a keep if they took an objective that required lots of effort. That's the bottom line.
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GorraShatan✭✭✭✭filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »I know its funny to have a troll name on a keep but they need to make it so you must have at least 100 members to claim a keep. Anything is better then how it is right now.
This makes an assumption that guilds with under 100 ppl are not real guilds. I hate to break it to you, but my only guilds with 100+ ppl are trade guilds.
There are some PvP and even social guilds with 100+ members. Khan's Legion is at 500. Heck, my least active guild is around 90.0 -
GorraShatan✭✭✭✭Also I love the funny names on keeps. "Audrey will you marry me" was my favourite.1
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There seems to be some confusion in some of the points I am trying to make so I will attempt to clear that up.
Other then a Guild Store Quartermaster, I am under the impression there are no other advantages to claiming a keep. There are no stat bonuses, no XP bonuses, no AP bonuses, nothing. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Assuming there are NO OTHER advantages, then claiming a keep with a guild, that has no established Guild Store, or no items in an established guild store for sale (no items at all; zero; zilch; nada; you do a search and nothing comes up) is robbing other guilds from doing business. It is as simple as that. It's not necessarily a troll guild, but the 'claim' serves no purpose at all.
Sure, it's a PvP zone, and PvP is happening, but the use of a Quartermaster at a keep is a feature of the game that we like to use. It's an advantage that is important to us, and important to our trade guild. You may laugh about other PvPers 'swooping in' and claiming a keep before we get the chance, after we've done the work, but it does happen and it's not only annoying but disappointing, and it's a detriment to the economy of our trade guild.
I am not claiming that other guilds do not have a right to claim a keep. I will state however, that any guild that doesn't have a guild store available to their members, should NOT have any ability to claim a keep. Since the only advantage to claiming a keep IS the quartermaster use for a trade store, claiming a keep should be restricted to guilds with a guild store unlocked to them. So yes, the trade guild that I help manage and run does have more right to claim a keep then any guild that DOES NOT have a guild store unlocked, based ONLY upon that fact alone.
Crappy locations for guild kiosks DO indeed cost a lot of money, approaching the hundreds of thousands of gold. YES I may have exagerated the 500k price tag for crappy locations, but they can and do indeed go for 200K or more on many weeks. This is a large sum of money, and it can get very difficult to afford a location. It is imperative for a trade guild to acquire a kiosk on a weekly basis if that trade guild is to have any hope to continue to exist. If a trade guild cannot acquire a kiosk, Cyrodiil is the only chance they have and actively defending that location is important as well. Even a couple of hours of use on a daily basis is better then no trade at all.
I can imagine that a large majority of players in Cyrodiil could not care any less about acquiring a quartermaster for the trade guild or guilds they belong to. It doesn't affect their bottom line, PvP, or daily play-style. Some of us do care about it, and since the subject was brought up with this thread, we're going to chime in and give our opinion. Just because others don't like out opinion doesn't mean we don't have a good point.
So yes, I want less people to be able to CLAIM keeps in Cyrodiil. Specifically, any guild that doesn't have the guild store unlocked for their guild should not be able to claim a keep.0 -
Mako1132✭✭✭✭✭Siliconhobbit_ESO wrote: »There seems to be some confusion in some of the points I am trying to make so I will attempt to clear that up.
Other then a Guild Store Quartermaster, I am under the impression there are no other advantages to claiming a keep. There are no stat bonuses, no XP bonuses, no AP bonuses, nothing. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Assuming there are NO OTHER advantages, then claiming a keep with a guild, that has no established Guild Store, or no items in an established guild store for sale (no items at all; zero; zilch; nada; you do a search and nothing comes up) is robbing other guilds from doing business. It is as simple as that. It's not necessarily a troll guild, but the 'claim' serves no purpose at all.
Sure, it's a PvP zone, and PvP is happening, but the use of a Quartermaster at a keep is a feature of the game that we like to use. It's an advantage that is important to us, and important to our trade guild. You may laugh about other PvPers 'swooping in' and claiming a keep before we get the chance, after we've done the work, but it does happen and it's not only annoying but disappointing, and it's a detriment to the economy of our trade guild.
I am not claiming that other guilds do not have a right to claim a keep. I will state however, that any guild that doesn't have a guild store available to their members, should NOT have any ability to claim a keep. Since the only advantage to claiming a keep IS the quartermaster use for a trade store, claiming a keep should be restricted to guilds with a guild store unlocked to them. So yes, the trade guild that I help manage and run does have more right to claim a keep then any guild that DOES NOT have a guild store unlocked, based ONLY upon that fact alone.
Crappy locations for guild kiosks DO indeed cost a lot of money, approaching the hundreds of thousands of gold. YES I may have exagerated the 500k price tag for crappy locations, but they can and do indeed go for 200K or more on many weeks. This is a large sum of money, and it can get very difficult to afford a location. It is imperative for a trade guild to acquire a kiosk on a weekly basis if that trade guild is to have any hope to continue to exist. If a trade guild cannot acquire a kiosk, Cyrodiil is the only chance they have and actively defending that location is important as well. Even a couple of hours of use on a daily basis is better then no trade at all.
I can imagine that a large majority of players in Cyrodiil could not care any less about acquiring a quartermaster for the trade guild or guilds they belong to. It doesn't affect their bottom line, PvP, or daily play-style. Some of us do care about it, and since the subject was brought up with this thread, we're going to chime in and give our opinion. Just because others don't like out opinion doesn't mean we don't have a good point.
So yes, I want less people to be able to CLAIM keeps in Cyrodiil. Specifically, any guild that doesn't have the guild store unlocked for their guild should not be able to claim a keep.
You say that as if guild pride or awareness has no purpose in this game... and claiming a keep helps to serve that purpose. Just because you play guild economy > pride, doesn't make it true. You have to respect other wishes. And if you are deluded enough to think the guild store is the only reason, then why bother having the guild's tabard on all the guards after claiming?
CHECKMATEEdited by Mako1132 on May 29, 2015 9:03PM2 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭Seriously, this is like arguing that only a major corporation can claim the lot across from the rest stop in Bamfack, Wyoming that gets about 2 travelers a week, because they NEED THAT BUSINESS.
This doesn't even make any sense. Barely anybody is looking for your wares in Cyrodiil, because keeps flip too often and we are already accustomed to there not being anything good in the stores anyway.
The stuff that IS in the stores is generally trash that nobody wants and even if you do happen to put a few decent things up, the likelihood of somebody coming out there to look at it and buy it is almost nil.
This is less than an argument. It doesn't even register on the Richter scale of an argument.
To be completely honest, you don't even know what the benefits to holding a keep ARE... I think that your ability to actually HOLD a keep long enough to establish it as some kind of trading capital are extremely questionable, to say the very least.
Edited by Varicite on May 29, 2015 9:12PM1 -
filmoretub17_ESO✭✭✭Seriously, this is like arguing that only a major corporation can claim the lot across from the rest stop in Bamfack, Wyoming that gets about 2 travelers a week, because they NEED THAT BUSINESS.
This doesn't even make any sense. Barely anybody is looking for your wares in Cyrodiil, because keeps flip too often and we are already accustomed to there not being anything good in the stores anyway.
The stuff that IS in the stores is generally trash that nobody wants and even if you do happen to put a few decent things up, the likelihood of somebody coming out there to look at it and buy it is almost nil.
This is less than an argument. It doesn't even register on the Richter scale of an argument.
To be completely honest, you don't even know what the benefits to holding a keep ARE... I think that your ability to actually HOLD a keep long enough to establish it as some kind of trading capital are extremely questionable, to say the very least.
Which is why we need to stop having troll guilds claiming keeps. Instead if the guild stores are usually full then the players in cyrodiil would start using them. Or you can get out buy the potions you need then requeue and see how that works out. Anyways im going to start claiming stuff for my trade guild and help them make money and help the players in my faction by providing them with goods they need to wup asses.0 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »Seriously, this is like arguing that only a major corporation can claim the lot across from the rest stop in Bamfack, Wyoming that gets about 2 travelers a week, because they NEED THAT BUSINESS.
This doesn't even make any sense. Barely anybody is looking for your wares in Cyrodiil, because keeps flip too often and we are already accustomed to there not being anything good in the stores anyway.
The stuff that IS in the stores is generally trash that nobody wants and even if you do happen to put a few decent things up, the likelihood of somebody coming out there to look at it and buy it is almost nil.
This is less than an argument. It doesn't even register on the Richter scale of an argument.
To be completely honest, you don't even know what the benefits to holding a keep ARE... I think that your ability to actually HOLD a keep long enough to establish it as some kind of trading capital are extremely questionable, to say the very least.
Which is why we need to stop having troll guilds claiming keeps. Instead if the guild stores are usually full then the players in cyrodiil would start using them. Or you can get out buy the potions you need then requeue and see how that works out. Anyways im going to start claiming stuff for my trade guild and help them make money and help the players in my faction by providing them with goods they need to wup asses.
I hate to break this to you, but not having smaller guilds w/ funny names claim keeps is NOT going to change the situation in Cyrodiil when it comes to the shops.
If your trade guild can manage to take and hold a keep long enough for anybody to learn about and subsequently care about your shop, more power to you.
But I'm not gonna hold my breath.1