Ultimate Generation re: patch 2.0.8

Aleraon · May 2015

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Hi Gina, I noticed that in the patch notes for 2.0.8 that there is mentioned a fix for a problem where you could stop gaining ultimate. Until the patch however I had no problem generating ultimate. My main is a Templar Healer and its my understanding that healing people who are attacking or have very recently attacked allows you to generate ultimate. Having run Aetherian Archive a few times since the latest update however this is no longer happening, not just for myself but for other members of the team. I now have to stop healing people, which can be a serious issue in trials, and instead focus on attacking mobs or bosses in order to generate ultimate. This means that I often do not have an ultimate ready when one is called for, like solar disturbance which provides mitigation for team members while causing damage during boss fights. Is this now working as intended?

If not could you please pass the information on to the relevant team

thanks Gina

Has anyone else noticed this issue? I play on the EU server and the problem has only arisen since the last update.

Harasdar · May 2015

From Patchnotes 1.6 (maybe that help to clearify ultimate generation):
Adjusted how Ultimate generation is gained to make it more even across different classes and builds:

- When you damage an enemy with a light or heavy attack, you will receive a buff that grants three Ultimate per second for eight seconds. This buff is refreshed with each light or heavy attack.
- If you heal an ally that has the Ultimate gain buff, you will also receive the Ultimate gain buff for eight seconds.
This only works if the ally being healed was not at full health prior to the heal.

So you don't need attack anybody to gain ultimate, constant healing will generate ultimate, too. (If your group members are doing there light/heavy attacks to gain ultimate).

Aleraon · May 2015

Harasdar wrote: »

From Patchnotes 1.6 (maybe that help to clearify ultimate generation):
Adjusted how Ultimate generation is gained to make it more even across different classes and builds:

- When you damage an enemy with a light or heavy attack, you will receive a buff that grants three Ultimate per second for eight seconds. This buff is refreshed with each light or heavy attack.
- If you heal an ally that has the Ultimate gain buff, you will also receive the Ultimate gain buff for eight seconds.
This only works if the ally being healed was not at full health prior to the heal.

So you don't need attack anybody to gain ultimate, constant healing will generate ultimate, too. (If your group members are doing there light/heavy attacks to gain ultimate).

I already knew this but thanks, but since the latest update I've had a problem as stated in my original post. Take for example the foundation stone atronach in AA where people are constantly taking damage from adds as well as the boss. I put down extended ritual, use healing springs etc, but I do not generate any ultimate at all unless I stop healing and start attacking the boss myself with light / heavy attacks which is far from ideal in that situation.

ZOS_GinaBruno · May 2015

Hey @Aleraon! After we pushed the Ultimate fix in patch 2.0.8, there was an issue where healing wasn't generating Ultimate, so you're not alone in seeing this. We plan on having this fixed in our next incremental patch, tentatively scheduled for this Monday.

Hears-Ghosts · May 2015

Another thing ive seen, but it could be intended. Sorc. overload attacks no longer generate ultimate since the patch ether.

Lesspa · May 2015

Hears-Ghosts wrote: »

Another thing ive seen, but it could be intended. Sorc. overload attacks no longer generate ultimate since the patch ether.

Better be. That mechanic was broken and allowed for basically unlimited ult and overload light attacks on command, whenever needed.

Hears-Ghosts · May 2015

Better be. That mechanic was broken and allowed for basically unlimited ult and overload light attacks on command, whenever needed.[/quote]

If your talking about PVP, I doubt you will notice a difference. As most Sorc.s use it to gank people who aren't paying attention, then switch back to their weapon. For PVE it wouldn't be feasible to use anymore, and you will just see them use Shooting Star instead. A better way to balance the skill in my opinion would be to increase the base requirement to activate the skill to 1000, so you had to have full ultimate to activate it instead of just 64.

Hears-Ghosts · May 2015

@ZOS_GinaBruno can you confirm if this is intended or not? If so can you add it to the patch notes?

PainfulFAFA · May 2015

ZOS creating more issues than fixing haha! wow

Talrenos · May 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey @Aleraon! After we pushed the Ultimate fix in patch 2.0.8, there was an issue where healing wasn't generating Ultimate, so you're not alone in seeing this. We plan on having this fixed in our next incremental patch, tentatively scheduled for this Monday.

Each patch introduces new bugs and issues, and rarely fixes anything old. Each patch is followed by the emergency patch to fix the things the previous patch broke. Lather/rinse/repeat......

Aleraon · May 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey @Aleraon! After we pushed the Ultimate fix in patch 2.0.8, there was an issue where healing wasn't generating Ultimate, so you're not alone in seeing this. We plan on having this fixed in our next incremental patch, tentatively scheduled for this Monday.

Hi Gina, thanks very much for the reply. This one greatly appreciates the update

milkbox · May 2015

A related question came up last night, and I can't find an answer-

Are radiant destruction and its morphs intended to generate ultimate? I templar heal almost exclusively, and haven't been having a problem, but 2 other templar tank/dps in pledges last night said the skill was not generating ultimates.

I've been looking online and can't find any key to what skills generate what % toward ultimate.

Anyone have an answer? If it's not working as intended, I'll tell them to /bug.

Thanks!

*edit for syntax error

Circuitous · May 2015

r.leigh.harperb14_ESO wrote: »

A related question came up last night, and I can't find an answer-

Are radiant oppression and its morphs intended to generate ultimate? I templar heal almost exclusively, and haven't been having a problem, but 2 other templar tank/dps in pledges last night said the skill was not generating ultimates.

I've been looking online and can't find any key to what skills generate what % toward ultimate.

Anyone have an answer? If it's not working as intended, I'll tell them to /bug.

Thanks!

Radiant Oppression only generates Ultimate based on the Prism passive, up to 3 Ultimate on activation, once every 6 seconds. Anything it was generating beyond that (that didn't come from a prior light attack, for example) was unintended.

Robbmrp · May 2015

Hello @ZOS_GinaBruno,

Does the patch for today 5/18 correct the issue where Ultimate stops generating for attacks also? The patch from last week was supposed to be a correction for this yet I had this problem all weekend and not just when healing. Casual farming in Craglorn was an example when it would not generate for any attacks or healing.

Thanks

ZOS_GinaBruno · May 2015

Robbmrp wrote: »

Hello @ZOS_GinaBruno,

Does the patch for today 5/18 correct the issue where Ultimate stops generating for attacks also? The patch from last week was supposed to be a correction for this yet I had this problem all weekend and not just when healing. Casual farming in Craglorn was an example when it would not generate for any attacks or healing.

Thanks

As of today's patch (tomorrow for EU), all issues with Ultimate not generating should be addressed. If you're seeing otherwise, please let us know.

drinkingbeerub17_ESO · May 2015

Has healing in combat stopped generating ultimate?

ZOS_GaryA · May 2015

Hears-Ghosts wrote: »

Another thing ive seen, but it could be intended. Sorc. overload attacks no longer generate ultimate since the patch ether.

Just wanted to clarify that this is an intended change.

Perphection · May 2015

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Hears-Ghosts wrote: »

Another thing ive seen, but it could be intended. Sorc. overload attacks no longer generate ultimate since the patch ether.

Just wanted to clarify that this is an intended change.

Why can't you guys ever be forthcoming with information? You always sneak in little "fixes", "tweaks" whatever you want to call them and don't have the decency to inform us.

It's a guessing game every patch as to what you broke or changed and didn't bother to tell anyone.

Iyas · May 2015

Perphection wrote: »

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Hears-Ghosts wrote: »

Another thing ive seen, but it could be intended. Sorc. overload attacks no longer generate ultimate since the patch ether.

Just wanted to clarify that this is an intended change.

Why can't you guys ever be forthcoming with information? You always sneak in little "fixes", "tweaks" whatever you want to call them and don't have the decency to inform us.

It's a guessing game every patch as to what you broke or changed and didn't bother to tell anyone.

I think it was changed some patches ago but now its finally live

Cuyler · May 2015

Perphection wrote: »

ZOS_GaryA wrote: »

Hears-Ghosts wrote: »

Another thing ive seen, but it could be intended. Sorc. overload attacks no longer generate ultimate since the patch ether.

Just wanted to clarify that this is an intended change.

Why can't you guys ever be forthcoming with information? You always sneak in little "fixes", "tweaks" whatever you want to call them and don't have the decency to inform us.

It's a guessing game every patch as to what you broke or changed and didn't bother to tell anyone.

I can understand you want transparency but in this case is it really necessary? Overload is an ultimate.....it shouldn't be generating it's own ultimate obviously.

Robbmrp · May 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

Hello @ZOS_GinaBruno,

Does the patch for today 5/18 correct the issue where Ultimate stops generating for attacks also? The patch from last week was supposed to be a correction for this yet I had this problem all weekend and not just when healing. Casual farming in Craglorn was an example when it would not generate for any attacks or healing.

Thanks

As of today's patch (tomorrow for EU), all issues with Ultimate not generating should be addressed. If you're seeing otherwise, please let us know.

@ZOS_GinaBruno, thank you for the information. I will test this out tonight and report back if there are any issues.

Robbmrp · May 2015

Hello @ZOS_GinaBruno,

I tested this out tonight in Craglorn and my Ultimate wasn't generating at all. I submitted a bug report on it also but didn't get the number. Any damage/healing spell I casted did nothing to generate Ultimate. I was fighting random mobs like wasps and welwa.

Thanks

The_Saint · May 2015

Robbmrp wrote: »

Hello @ZOS_GinaBruno,

I tested this out tonight in Craglorn and my Ultimate wasn't generating at all. I submitted a bug report on it also but didn't get the number. Any damage/healing spell I casted did nothing to generate Ultimate. I was fighting random mobs like wasps and welwa.

Thanks

You tested it alone?

Only healing yourself and use damageskill (when there is no passiv) should never generate ulti. Only when you heal one who has the ulti buff should give you the buff... also you own autoattacks...

Robbmrp · May 2015

Hello @ZOS_GinaBruno,

I will retest this tonight using only light and heavy attacks. As @The_Saint mentioned, it sounds like none of the spells I was using are designed to generate ultimate anymore.

Thank you for your time and help.

Dragnelus · May 2015

@Robbmrp as a dk healer I can confirm it is working. The thing if you use it on yourself, it dont work. It need to be on someone who is generating ultimate and that way you get it also ^^

Robbmrp · May 2015

Thank you @Dragnelus, my wife and I are going to try it out tonight and test some of the scenarios. Are you using the HoT from the restoration staff line? I plan to use those as as well as breath of life and she weaves light/spell attacks so she should almost always have the ultimate buff on. I will also test my own light and heavy attacks while solo as it should generate then no problem.

Dragnelus · May 2015

Robbmrp wrote: »

Thank you @Dragnelus, my wife and I are going to try it out tonight and test some of the scenarios. Are you using the HoT from the restoration staff line? I plan to use those as as well as breath of life and she weaves light/spell attacks so she should almost always have the ultimate buff on. I will also test my own light and heavy attacks while solo as it should generate then no problem.

Hai @Robbmrp yes im having rapid healing non stop on the party. Giving ultmate gain, I hope it works tonight! gl

Robbmrp · May 2015

Hello @ZOS_GinaBruno, for templars Ultimate Gain is working correctly. With light and heavy attacks it gains consistently as well as healing at non full health for single or multiple targets. Than you for the fix!

Robbmrp · May 2015

@Dragnelus, as you mentioned, it is working fine. I hope someone at ZOS updates the ESO Wiki with all the recent changes on things as these changes to Ultimate wasn't listed there. It would be nice if things were up to date.

Ezareth · May 2015

Robbmrp wrote: »

@Dragnelus, as you mentioned, it is working fine. I hope someone at ZOS updates the ESO Wiki with all the recent changes on things as these changes to Ultimate wasn't listed there. It would be nice if things were up to date.

The ultimate nerf for Power Overload was put in place many patches ago. It hasn't generated ultimate for me since then.

Are the people who are suddenly noticing a change using the Energy Overload morph or something? Either way light attacks from overload don't need to generate ultimate, it's easy enough to keep your ultimate generation going by blocking or just toggling off and hitting your target with a light attack. Shooting star is nowhere close to being as effective as overload.

Islyn · May 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Hey @Aleraon! After we pushed the Ultimate fix in patch 2.0.8, there was an issue where healing wasn't generating Ultimate, so you're not alone in seeing this. We plan on having this fixed in our next incremental patch, tentatively scheduled for this Monday.

OK Mt on my end.