I am ready to be bashed...however

wraithguknub18_ESO · May 2015

So as my 2 buddies and I pvp on the non-vet server for the last 2 weeks we have noticed that we can rarely if ever (some nights never) get a fair fight with AD going.
There have been times 3 maybe 4. However for the majority its always 20 v 3, 30 v 3, 50 v 3. Is this how all the servers are?
That in and of it self is annoying and I wish it was different but oh well. Cant cry to much it is what it is.
But do people REALLY feel a sense of accomplishment killing 1 to 3 guys with 30 to 50 friends? They have to /shovel or /sweep you like they did something special? REALLY?
Now if you crush me 1v1 or me and my 2 buddies vs you and 1 of your friends and you shovel me or sweep me fine. You showed me and I will lol with you and my ineptness however please stop trying to brag about you and your zerg killing 1 guy/gal. Thats just sad and pathetic in my opinion.

Now to a serious question. Are all the Vet pvp servers like this? Is there any real small scale pvp?

Feel free to bash away Ill just lol.

pppontus · May 2015

Actually, the vet servers are a hundred times worse. The same thing will happen as in non-vet but they will have a far larger advantage by numbers. In non-vet it is actually quite possible to wipe 20 with 3, not at all easy but possible. In vet pvp, never unless they are totally clueless. If they have one good player they win, pretty much.

There are strategies you can use, I mean first of all if possible try to get a defensive advantage like using a friendly resource or something, that will even the odds considerably. Or have a guy hanging back a little ready with a siege weapon. Try to lure the enemies to a spot that's favorable for you to fight in, if they have massively more numbers they are likely to throw down their guard completely and just blindly follow you wherever. You'll figure these things out as you go along but most important is to always try and fight on your terms, use line of sight to your advantage to avoid getting instakilled, keep distance while baiting them etc. Never go straight into the group or you'll most definitely die.

As for the bragging, I have no idea. I get that all the time when I kill like 6 out of a zerg of 20+ and when they kill me they come to teabag or emote me, I just take it as a compliment and laugh. If they feel good about killing me when 1v20, well.. cred to me lol. ^^

TequilaFire · May 2015

Funny as AD on BWB I find I am always being swarmed by red and blue.
I do enjoy fighting on the DC side of the map as the fights are more even.
Last couple of days there has been more open field fighting in front of the keeps Roe and ASH AD vs DC which have been enjoyable.

Draxys · May 2015

Zos have made the game more mindless with every patch. There is safety in numbers, especially more so in 1.6 thanks to some of the balance changes being completely unnecessary. They listen to bad players too much, and thanks to that, what you experience is now the norm.

Ezareth · May 2015

wraithguknub18_ESO wrote: »

So as my 2 buddies and I pvp on the non-vet server for the last 2 weeks we have noticed that we can rarely if ever (some nights never) get a fair fight with AD going.
There have been times 3 maybe 4. However for the majority its always 20 v 3, 30 v 3, 50 v 3. Is this how all the servers are?
That in and of it self is annoying and I wish it was different but oh well. Cant cry to much it is what it is.
But do people REALLY feel a sense of accomplishment killing 1 to 3 guys with 30 to 50 friends? They have to /shovel or /sweep you like they did something special? REALLY?
Now if you crush me 1v1 or me and my 2 buddies vs you and 1 of your friends and you shovel me or sweep me fine. You showed me and I will lol with you and my ineptness however please stop trying to brag about you and your zerg killing 1 guy/gal. Thats just sad and pathetic in my opinion.

Now to a serious question. Are all the Vet pvp servers like this? Is there any real small scale pvp?

Feel free to bash away Ill just lol.

I noticed last night what a total zerg swarm AD was on BWB. I got a few good 1 v 1s, 1 v 2s, and 1 v 3s in but 90% of the fights the moment you engage one player 10+ others would come running to help them.

The teabagging/sweeping is just bonus. It's always by the worst player in the zerg too, the guy you keep killing in 2-3 seconds despite them having 30K HPs.

My templar friend signed on and we had some decent 2 v 6, 2 v 8 fights that we won but as soon as you kill enough people for the crossed swords to appear the AD zerg swarm closed in. I had literally 10 people camping my corpse for like 5 minutes last night. You'd think they'd have some actual PvP somewhere to do.

Still a NB with Retreating manuevers and Sprint and a Templar with Mistform can kite a zerg almost as well as a couple of sorcs. We had some fun trolling and I can't wait to kill them in Vet when they're not rocking 30K Hps.

CP5 · May 2015

TequilaFire wrote: »

Funny as AD on BWB I find I am always being swarmed by red and blue.
I do enjoy fighting on the DC side of the map as the fights are more even.
Last couple of days there has been more open field fighting in front of the keeps Roe and ASH AD vs DC which have been enjoyable.

This. I enjoy small scale fights and am on AD side, but ever since the title update finding smaller fights is a problem with all the people running around.

k2blader · May 2015

First, I'm so glad this is not a thread about bash mechanics. :-)

Second, I hear you I really do. Especially when there's a level (and usually gear and CP) difference.

The vet campaigns are worse. The best you can do is form or get in a small group that purposely seeks out smaller scale skirmishes. This is probably a bit easier said than done unless you already have a number of PvP friends to group with. Though even the smaller groups still end up ganking random equestrians half the time.

Teargrants · May 2015

Don't listen to the downers, the vet campaigns are 100x better cuz they have Teargrants.

Ffastyl · May 2015

There is small scale PvP on the Vet servers, though most of it is orchestrated. Dueling camps and such. For small group vs small group, it is rare and more likely to happen on off hours when a zerg is not active. During primetime the best you can hope for to naturally occur (not orchestrated) is 10vs10 or 20vs10 or 20vs20 and the numbers get bigger from there. About 9pm EST is when primetime occurs on the NA megaserver. It can start as early as 7pm, though.

The most likely single targets you are to find on Vet campaigns are one-shot build Nightblades and full magicka Sorcerers. Y'know, the builds that highlight the imbalances still present.

wraithguknub18_ESO · May 2015

Now don't get me wrong. I don't mind having my butt kicked. In fact I have several times (Ive even sent whispers to those saying it was a good fight, etc etc etc)
Just tired of the zerg. Then I had someone telling me it takes more skill to zerg than to small scale pvp. I was like OK maybe I dont know something about pvp in this game lol
I think my buddies and I need to find a quality pvp guild.
Cant stand pvp guilds that just recruit anyone to have numbers.

bosmern_ESO · May 2015

It's hard to fight someone in any campaign without increasing number coming, this is mainly because of the linear keep-to-keep lines. For example, If AD has Roe and DC has nikel, there will be people traveling through the valley of that keep and outpost, and thats the only area people will travel from (other option is brindle, but that is way out of the way.)

Now, lets say you are DC and AD is trying to take nikel, you go between the two keeps to try and kill off the reinforcements, you open up on one person, usually if you can't kill them right away your done for because chances are that there is another AD coming up from behind him, now its 2v1. You've already spent your resources trying to kill the person (most of the time) and you know you can't 1v2 with no resources. you begin fleeing and another 2 AD come up from Roe, now its 1v4.

There are a few prime times for people who want to 1v1. 2v2. etc. and thats when there is a triangle. Like when EP owns Arrius, AD owns BRK, and DC owns Chalman, you can find a lot of good small fights within the triangle, and if you are 1v1ing someone there is almost an even chance that the fight will turn into a 1v1v1 instead of a 1v2.

Zuvanov · May 2015

wraithguknub18_ESO wrote: »

Now don't get me wrong. I don't mind having my butt kicked. In fact I have several times (Ive even sent whispers to those saying it was a good fight, etc etc etc)
Just tired of the zerg. Then I had someone telling me it takes more skill to zerg than to small scale pvp. I was like OK maybe I dont know something about pvp in this game lol
I think my buddies and I need to find a quality pvp guild.
Cant stand pvp guilds that just recruit anyone to have numbers.

Sadly this game is now all about numbers & broken builds. There can be some small scale fights but 99% of the time they will be broken up by some group hungry for ap. Only thing you can do to counter the zerg is adjust your play style for it, if not I recommend trying out a different game. You could join a pvp guild but almost every guild now is focused on zerg play, which it sounded like you didn't want to be part of.

wraithguknub18_ESO · May 2015

I just figured its people who have no skill rely on zergs to do anything in pvp. Of course I could be wrong

prose08b14a_ESO · May 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

Don't listen to the downers, the vet campaigns are 100x better cuz they have Teargrants.

Nevermind. I don't need another B&

Zuvanov · May 2015

wraithguknub18_ESO wrote: »

I just figured its people who have no skill rely on zergs to do anything in pvp. Of course I could be wrong

Since beta was released almost every player that has played since then is either in a zerg now or has quit the game. Now I'm not saying that they have no skill, but you won't see them playing alone. And if you do they'll be in group & cry for help when they aren't fighting non vets.

wraithguknub18_ESO · May 2015

Well I guess I can adapt and overcome, suck it up and deal with it or quit. And Im really loving the game since I came back.

Kova · May 2015

wraithguknub18_ESO wrote: »

So as my 2 buddies and I pvp on the non-vet server for the last 2 weeks we have noticed that we can rarely if ever (some nights never) get a fair fight with AD going.
There have been times 3 maybe 4. However for the majority its always 20 v 3, 30 v 3, 50 v 3. Is this how all the servers are?
That in and of it self is annoying and I wish it was different but oh well. Cant cry to much it is what it is.
But do people REALLY feel a sense of accomplishment killing 1 to 3 guys with 30 to 50 friends? They have to /shovel or /sweep you like they did something special? REALLY?
Now if you crush me 1v1 or me and my 2 buddies vs you and 1 of your friends and you shovel me or sweep me fine. You showed me and I will lol with you and my ineptness however please stop trying to brag about you and your zerg killing 1 guy/gal. Thats just sad and pathetic in my opinion.

Now to a serious question. Are all the Vet pvp servers like this? Is there any real small scale pvp?

Feel free to bash away Ill just lol.

Fair fights are more likely to happen when it's too late for most of NA to be awake. After about 2 a.m. on the east coast I get to fight some really skilled players and even get to be friends with them, all while we test our builds. 1v1, 1v3, 1v5; you name it. It's probably the most enjoyment I get out of PVP.

The tea bagging and sweeping is ridiculous sometimes. Last night I 1v3'd a scrub v1 DK, a very skilled burst NB (Seriously, this guy haunts my nightmares), and an O.K. Sorc. I'm fighting the DK and the NB started his barrage, but as soon as I chased him he would retreat to the second floor of the Gate of Mnem; where we were fighting at the time.The DK dragon leaps me and I break free, but get a crystal frag to the face, then the NBs lethal arrow barrage hits. Of course, I didn't survive. What happens next, you ask?

Well the scrub DK just teabags away. What pride does someone feel from this? Honestly. The only thing I can do is put these people on my "people to kill first" list and move on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjE_bU1Mgd0

Etaniel · May 2015

wraithguknub18_ESO wrote: »

I just figured its people who have no skill rely on zergs to do anything in pvp. Of course I could be wrong

Half true. Sometimes I run with the zerg because it's heading in the same direction as me, and I'll tag any bit of AP that shows up. This requires absolutely no skill and most people who can't handle themselves alone will do that.

Some guilds make large groups in order to farm said zergs, inwhich case it's referred to as a train more than a zerg, although the numbers are the same, yet you can find some very skilled players in those guilds.

Your best chances are making a build that has an escape plan. You go in the transit lines and aggro people at the back of zergs. You will usually pull more than you want to fight, so use your escape plan to kite them until some give up the chase and turn around. You will then have smaller numbers to fight, and most importantly you'll be away from the main transit line meaning your fight has less chance of being overrun by a passing zerg. Of course some times you'll pull the entire zerg to you and all of them are so hungry for easy ap that they'll chase you accross the map. In that case just rage a bit, call them noobs and facepalm, then calm down and try again ^^

RinaldoGandolphi · May 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

wraithguknub18_ESO wrote: »

So as my 2 buddies and I pvp on the non-vet server for the last 2 weeks we have noticed that we can rarely if ever (some nights never) get a fair fight with AD going.
There have been times 3 maybe 4. However for the majority its always 20 v 3, 30 v 3, 50 v 3. Is this how all the servers are?
That in and of it self is annoying and I wish it was different but oh well. Cant cry to much it is what it is.
But do people REALLY feel a sense of accomplishment killing 1 to 3 guys with 30 to 50 friends? They have to /shovel or /sweep you like they did something special? REALLY?
Now if you crush me 1v1 or me and my 2 buddies vs you and 1 of your friends and you shovel me or sweep me fine. You showed me and I will lol with you and my ineptness however please stop trying to brag about you and your zerg killing 1 guy/gal. Thats just sad and pathetic in my opinion.

Now to a serious question. Are all the Vet pvp servers like this? Is there any real small scale pvp?

Feel free to bash away Ill just lol.

I noticed last night what a total zerg swarm AD was on BWB. I got a few good 1 v 1s, 1 v 2s, and 1 v 3s in but 90% of the fights the moment you engage one player 10+ others would come running to help them.

The teabagging/sweeping is just bonus. It's always by the worst player in the zerg too, the guy you keep killing in 2-3 seconds despite them having 30K HPs.

My templar friend signed on and we had some decent 2 v 6, 2 v 8 fights that we won but as soon as you kill enough people for the crossed swords to appear the AD zerg swarm closed in. I had literally 10 people camping my corpse for like 5 minutes last night. You'd think they'd have some actual PvP somewhere to do.

Still a NB with Retreating manuevers and Sprint and a Templar with Mistform can kite a zerg almost as well as a couple of sorcs. We had some fun trolling and I can't wait to kill them in Vet when they're not rocking 30K Hps.

I know right!

I will say though BWB has some of the best pvp fights right now..i had some really nice 1v3 and 1v4 on there. im still debating on vamp, the heals are so good i don't really find the need to run as much as i did on my Sorc, but im still not sure, as i could see Mistform being useful at times...i'll probably cave at some point once i get more skill points.

Yeah the past few nights i have noticed the same thing. Sadly, i just reached Vet1 so i guess my BWB days are over for now, im gonna miss that campaign.

Etaniel · May 2015

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

wraithguknub18_ESO wrote: »

So as my 2 buddies and I pvp on the non-vet server for the last 2 weeks we have noticed that we can rarely if ever (some nights never) get a fair fight with AD going.
There have been times 3 maybe 4. However for the majority its always 20 v 3, 30 v 3, 50 v 3. Is this how all the servers are?
That in and of it self is annoying and I wish it was different but oh well. Cant cry to much it is what it is.
But do people REALLY feel a sense of accomplishment killing 1 to 3 guys with 30 to 50 friends? They have to /shovel or /sweep you like they did something special? REALLY?
Now if you crush me 1v1 or me and my 2 buddies vs you and 1 of your friends and you shovel me or sweep me fine. You showed me and I will lol with you and my ineptness however please stop trying to brag about you and your zerg killing 1 guy/gal. Thats just sad and pathetic in my opinion.

Now to a serious question. Are all the Vet pvp servers like this? Is there any real small scale pvp?

Feel free to bash away Ill just lol.

I noticed last night what a total zerg swarm AD was on BWB. I got a few good 1 v 1s, 1 v 2s, and 1 v 3s in but 90% of the fights the moment you engage one player 10+ others would come running to help them.

The teabagging/sweeping is just bonus. It's always by the worst player in the zerg too, the guy you keep killing in 2-3 seconds despite them having 30K HPs.

My templar friend signed on and we had some decent 2 v 6, 2 v 8 fights that we won but as soon as you kill enough people for the crossed swords to appear the AD zerg swarm closed in. I had literally 10 people camping my corpse for like 5 minutes last night. You'd think they'd have some actual PvP somewhere to do.

Still a NB with Retreating manuevers and Sprint and a Templar with Mistform can kite a zerg almost as well as a couple of sorcs. We had some fun trolling and I can't wait to kill them in Vet when they're not rocking 30K Hps.

I know right!

I will say though BWB has some of the best pvp fights right now..i had some really nice 1v3 and 1v4 on there. im still debating on vamp, the heals are so good i don't really find the need to run as much as i did on my Sorc, but im still not sure, as i could see Mistform being useful at times...i'll probably cave at some point once i get more skill points.

Yeah the past few nights i have noticed the same thing. Sadly, i just reached Vet1 so i guess my BWB days are over for now, im gonna miss that campaign.

yeah they need to implement a way to stop earning exp

pppontus · May 2015

I will just reroll forever at this rate.. until vet pvp is fixed somehow or any instanced pvp is released.. I'll spend 90% of my time in bwb >_<

Muizer · May 2015

Firstly, veteran won't be better. Secondly, fighting another alliance won't be better. Best chance of small scale pvp? Don't fight the alliance war. Go quest.

Ghostbane · May 2015

I try to avoid the yellow shower on BWB, but sometimes its unavoidable.

Plenty of small scale fighting to be had though as AD if you go looking for it.

InvictoNZ · May 2015

Yellow zerging around last night on BWB, night capping and emp.

Not many good fights.