Pointless, not being a werewolf.

Mashille · May 2015

Werewolves in this game are cool, and so are vampires but for vampires there is an incentive to not become one. A major problem I find (Especially For RPers) is that there is no point to not be a werewolf. If you don't want to use the ult then fine, but they get 15% in combat stamina regeneration for nothing. So EVERYONE might as well be a werewolf because there is no drawback. Are there any plans to resolve this issue, such as making Werewolves regenerate Magicka slower or make it so they take 20%^ bonus damage to poison and disease outside werewolf form and 40% inside.

Anybody else want to share their thoughts on this?

AlnilamE · May 2015

I don't know. Some people would have issues with their character being a werewolf even if they never transformed.

Only one of my characters is a WW, and it was something I considered doing with that character before it was cool. I have no interest in making any other of my toons a WW.

My main got infected with vampirism when she went through the Rift and all I could think of was "Get it off me!"

BuggeX · May 2015

my dk is ww atm just for the achivment. but i will remove it, no Point for me becaus GDB and WW Passive doesnt stack.

Mashille · May 2015

GDB?

Yukian · May 2015

keybaud wrote: »

GDB?

i think he means green dragon blood, its a dragonknight skill

Rook_Master · May 2015

The Werewolf passive is separate from the GDB regen bonus. It does stack.

I agree with OP, it is not right to force everyone to be a werewolf.

Mashille · May 2015

But, I'm saying to be a main competitor in PvE and PvP you may as well be a werewolf and it means that anyone that doesn't want to be a werewolf (Like me) get's screwed over.

idk · May 2015

Do not worry. Eventually they will change WW to make it less appealing.

technohic · May 2015

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Do not worry. Eventually they will change WW to make it less appealing.

Thats the thing. It really isn't all that appealing. Just even less appealing to be human. Only reason I am not a werewolf right now is cause of vampire and lack of templar escape.

SHADOW2KK · May 2015

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Do not worry. Eventually they will change WW to make it less appealing.

TBH WW at the beginning was atrocious, WW now is better than it has ever been.

It is Rise Of The WW now.

xxslam48xxb14_ESO · May 2015

Make it more appealing to use the actual ultimate and the weakness would come into play more. Currently 400 ultimate is an insane amount of ultimate for a move that is just kinda meh. I feel as a ww we should be able to spend most of our time in the ww form and its just downright unreliable in pvp to have to obtain 400 before you can use it on someone. Most fights dont last anywhere near that long, especially if you finish it with a cheaper ultimate before ever getting close to 400. Maybe it could be a toggle ultimate like overload that starts at 100 ultimate and drains for every second you spend in it. Eating corpses would give you an equivalent boost to your time in the form as you do now, but instead it would fill your ultimate bar.

Tandor · May 2015

keybaud wrote: »

But, I'm saying to be a main competitor in PvE and PvP you may as well be a werewolf and it means that anyone that doesn't want to be a werewolf (Like me) get's screwed over.

Don't over-estimate the number of people who are concerned with being a main competitor in PvE and/or PvP. Most are just playing the game the way they want to, not everyone is a min-maxer.

DDemon · May 2015

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Make it more appealing to use the actual ultimate and the weakness would come into play more. Currently 400 ultimate is an insane amount of ultimate for a move that is just kinda meh. I feel as a ww we should be able to spend most of our time in the ww form and its just downright unreliable in pvp to have to obtain 400 before you can use it on someone. Most fights dont last anywhere near that long, especially if you finish it with a cheaper ultimate before ever getting close to 400. Maybe it could be a toggle ultimate like overload that starts at 100 ultimate and drains for every second you spend in it. Eating corpses would give you an equivalent boost to your time in the form as you do now, but instead it would fill your ultimate bar.

This is the best idea I've seen so far.

nastuug · May 2015

DDemon wrote: »

xxslam48xxb14_ESO wrote: »

Make it more appealing to use the actual ultimate and the weakness would come into play more. Currently 400 ultimate is an insane amount of ultimate for a move that is just kinda meh. I feel as a ww we should be able to spend most of our time in the ww form and its just downright unreliable in pvp to have to obtain 400 before you can use it on someone. Most fights dont last anywhere near that long, especially if you finish it with a cheaper ultimate before ever getting close to 400. Maybe it could be a toggle ultimate like overload that starts at 100 ultimate and drains for every second you spend in it. Eating corpses would give you an equivalent boost to your time in the form as you do now, but instead it would fill your ultimate bar.

This is the best idea I've seen so far.

This is far too simplistic for ZOS to implement. Next...

TequilaFire · May 2015

Another nerf something thread.
Why? Anybody can take advantage of being a werewolf except a vampire.

Dodas · May 2015

The second heavy penalty is that Werewolf characters receive +50% poison damage regardless of whether or not they are transformed.

u woot mate? And i dont see the 15% stamina regen passive there

of plus the fighters guild abilities
so yes there are huge advantages of not being a ww

nastuug · May 2015

TequilaFire wrote: »

Another nerf something thread.
Why? Anybody can take advantage of being a werewolf except a vampire.

It's more of an argument that the WW gets a freebie of passive stam regen, even when not in-form. Vamps are always in-form thus lose out on the free regen passives. Dat fire vulnerability doe.

UrQuan · May 2015

Dodas wrote: »

The second heavy penalty is that Werewolf characters receive +50% poison damage regardless of whether or not they are transformed.

That's not true. The extra poison damage is only in WW form. In human form there's no special vulnerability to poison.

Dodas wrote: »

u woot mate? And i dont see the 15% stamina regen passive there

It's not a passive that you have to buy with a skill point. It's just an inherent buff for being a WW. If you check the character menu of a WW you'll see the buff there - and it's active always, regardless of what form you're in.

Dodas wrote: »

of plus the fighters guild abilities
so yes there are huge advantages of not being a ww

The fighters guild abilities do always work on you regardless of what form you're in. Of course, if you don't PVP, that's really not a disadvantage (and even if you do PVP it's not super likely to be much of an issue).

Natjur · May 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

The fighters guild abilities do always work on you regardless of what form you're in. Of course, if you don't PVP, that's really not a disadvantage (and even if you do PVP it's not super likely to be much of an issue).

I did a few hours of testing of this with a mate from another alliance, and the Fighters guilds skill line appeared to only do extra damage when in WW form, so in human form, they appears to do no extra damage.

Can you link or show the numbers you got when testing this

That aside, I think all three forms should be valid options (werewolf, human and vampire) but at the moment, there is no reason to be human.

UrQuan · May 2015

Natjur wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

The fighters guild abilities do always work on you regardless of what form you're in. Of course, if you don't PVP, that's really not a disadvantage (and even if you do PVP it's not super likely to be much of an issue).

I did a few hours of testing of this with a mate from another alliance, and the Fighters guilds skill line appeared to only do extra damage when in WW form, so in human form, they appears to do no extra damage.

Can you link or show the numbers you got when testing this

Really? Interesting. Maybe that's an update - the last time I actually checked was back before 1.6, so it's entirely possible that they've changed it and they no longer do extra damage in human form (heck, it might have even been a bug in the first place).

Natjur wrote: »

That aside, I think all three forms should be valid options (werewolf, human and vampire) but at the moment, there is no reason to be human.

I agree. I still don't think being a WW is strong enough (if it wasn't an ultimate I'd consider it plenty strong enough), but at the same time I think that it should have drawbacks that makes you think "hmm, maybe I'd rather just be a regular man/mer/beastfolk and not have to worry about XYZ".

TheShadowScout · May 2015

Personally I find WW to be plenty strong on my WW alt, be it for the human form stamina regen bonus with no real drawbacks, or the doggie form nomming mobs like candy (though that's more something for PvE I suppose).

I for one wouldn't mind having a bit of a drawback when not transformed as well... say, half the poison vulvnerability WWs get in furry form being present in human form? Or something like that. After all, with greater power should come some drawback...

Mayrael · May 2015

OP is right. Beside of the lore, there is no reason to not be a werewolf. Even magica users are wws bc of huge nerf to vamps...

BuggeX · May 2015

Rook_Master wrote: »

The Werewolf passive is separate from the GDB regen bonus. It does stack.

I agree with OP, it is not right to force everyone to be a werewolf.

are you sure that it stack? i never get granted a reg Bonus when im in gdb and start a fight.

BuggeX · May 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

The fighters guild abilities do always work on you regardless of what form you're in. Of course, if you don't PVP, that's really not a disadvantage (and even if you do PVP it's not super likely to be much of an issue).

If silverbolt would also proc on human form if you infected with Sanies Lupinus, nowone would get passt the first stage in vDSA