That Crown Lag

stonescorsa · May 2015

Oh wait you say look at the tabards but the group you have are wearing white, the herkamur group is wearing white, the thukia group is wearing white lol its the crown zerg. When we see your group herkamur group is there to amd so is thukiaa. Well what a coincidence 2days ago at alessia we wipe all of your groups. Thukiaa was hitting the front door with 20+. Wrx emp group hitting mine side with 20+. Herkamur and his group of 20+ and your group on the lumbermill side and you all still get wiped by only 1 group of EP nice team work. The zerg is real i will send you all the screen shots to prove all these peoplw in white so dont say its not your group

POTATO TIME

Methuselah · May 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

My crew is all slotting meteor. We are sick of being hit with 20 so we are slotting in the hopes we can get our 20 off first. Can't force peeps not to use a skill.

We also dont use meteor. I used it for a few days when 1.6 came out but saw what it was doing. I just run negate/bats. After running into a SLERG that follows their leader who has a CROWN and watching them meteor spam every lag encounter, im beggining to feel the same way. The best advice I can give (or possibly the worst) is to macro that ulti with no delay on continous repeat.

stonescorsa wrote: »

Oh wait you say look at the tabards but the group you have are wearing white, the herkamur group is wearing white, the thukia group is wearing white lol its the crown zerg. When we see your group herkamur group is there to amd so is thukiaa. Well what a coincidence 2days ago at alessia we wipe all of your groups. Thukiaa was hitting the front door with 20+. Wrx emp group hitting mine side with 20+. Herkamur and his group of 20+ and your group on the lumbermill side and you all still get wiped by only 1 group of EP nice team work. The zerg is real i will send you all the screen shots to prove all these peoplw in white so dont say its not your group

POTATO TIME

Maybe @Zavus will post a screen of someone saying they only run 2 1/2 raids. Add that to another someones 2 raids. And another someones raid. And pugs. I imagine it goes something like this. " Ok everyone stealth up! Raid 1. Spam Purge. Raid 2. Spam Breath of Life. Raid 3. Spam bombard. Raid 4. Spam Steel Tornado. Raid 5. Talons. All pugs on seige. Everyone spam meteors in 3..2..1.."

Cinnamon_Spider · May 2015

Ishammael wrote: »

Come fight us on Hade. Tertiary Meat could use some more AD support that aren't PvEers.

Also, WTB EP guild to fight on Hade for a good three-way. Was cool to see Guild of Shadows there Sunday night.

The last thing Haderus needs is to import more AD, especially not Misfitz. We have plenty already. They just need to be taught.

Trayyacakes · May 2015

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Come fight us on Hade. Tertiary Meat could use some more AD support that aren't PvEers.

Also, WTB EP guild to fight on Hade for a good three-way. Was cool to see Guild of Shadows there Sunday night.

The last thing Haderus needs is to import more AD, especially not Misfitz. We have plenty already. They just need to be taught.

The campaign didn't need anymore Reds or Blues either, but that didn't stop it from happening. The lag started in Haderus last night. Haderus had pretty good balance up till then too. DC and AD had the numbers at prime time but EP was more organized and could at the very least hold their ground. Last night DC had the zerg of zergs, but it didn't matter because EP had more guild groups. I don't know if AD got completely demoralized by this or if there was some in fighting, but either way its not good for Had. /shrug, it was a fun week at least.

Crown · May 2015

stonescorsa wrote: »

Oh wait you say look at the tabards but the group you have are wearing white, the herkamur group is wearing white, the thukia group is wearing white lol its the crown zerg. When we see your group herkamur group is there to amd so is thukiaa.

This is exactly the point I was trying to make. Clueless people blaming me for any AD that show up, and hallucinating more numbers based on seeing names that they associate to groups. The Decibel tabard is white with a logo and some diagonal lines. The Misfitz logo is white with black around it. They are different, though both have white in them. That's like saying "Anon wears white, and Zavus has white on his shirt, and Zazeer's boots are white, so they are all part of the Havoc zerg because we KNOW that anyone wearing white has to be following the same leader". I hope you realize how dumb that sounds.

For the record:
Thukia doesn't lead groups (I don't believe that he ever has). He's a part of Misfitz.
Herkamer doesn't lead groups for very long (he covers when Misfitz has a leader who has to AFK). He runs with either Misfitz or Decibel (usually Misfitz during thee day, and Decibel in the evening).
Crown leads Misfitz about half the time, is simply a group member others, and sometimes runs with Decibel, RAGE, or others.

EDIT: Typo

stonescorsa · May 2015

Ok so you have just said your all apart of misfitz good one bro so your all in one guild. Nice. Exactly my poiht.

And also the reason why i say thukiaa and also herkamur is because USUALLY the guy who stands at the front of the group and the guy who is the 1st one to run into enemy groups is the LEADER but oh wait unless your....... im not going to say your name lols

Takllin · May 2015

stonescorsa wrote: »

Ok so you have just said your all apart of misfitz good one bro so your all in one guild. Nice. Exactly my poiht.

And also the reason why i say thukiaa and also herkamur is because USUALLY the guy who stands at the front of the group and the guy who is the 1st one to run into enemy groups is the LEADER but oh wait unless your....... im not going to say your name lols

What he means is that there is a lot of inbreeding with AD PvP guilds.

During primetime Misfits always has one full group, and at at least half of another. Sometimes it is more or less depends on the night. Sometimes they split up and double team objectives from different sides, but they usually stack together and move as one unit.

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2015

Takllin wrote: »

stonescorsa wrote: »

Ok so you have just said your all apart of misfitz good one bro so your all in one guild. Nice. Exactly my poiht.

And also the reason why i say thukiaa and also herkamur is because USUALLY the guy who stands at the front of the group and the guy who is the 1st one to run into enemy groups is the LEADER but oh wait unless your....... im not going to say your name lols

What he means is that there is a lot of inbreeding with AD PvP guilds.

During primetime Misfits always has one full group, and at at least half of another. Sometimes it is more or less depends on the night. Sometimes they split up and double team objectives from different sides, but they usually stack together and move as one unit.

Wait, in the OP Crown said that he usually just has a group of 20-24.

Is that incorrect?

Crown · May 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Wait, in the OP Crown said that he usually just has a group of 20-24.
Is that incorrect?

That is correct. When I lead, I prefer a group of 20. It grows often enough to (or I take over lead for) a group of 24. We usually have a wait list after that.

The other people named are part of the group - not running additional groups.

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2015

Crown wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Wait, in the OP Crown said that he usually just has a group of 20-24.
Is that incorrect?

That is correct. When I lead, I prefer a group of 20. It grows often enough to (or I take over lead for) a group of 24. We usually have a wait list after that.

The other people named are part of the group - not running additional groups.

So what happens with the people waiting for entry into that group? Do they form another group and tag along? Do they solo? Do they play on another campaign?

And Crown, please do the entire gaming community a favor and muzzle Sarenvog. As you've seen from the multiple posts about it recently he's deeply insulting and just makes you guys look bad for tolerating that behavior.

When Hijinx was active, I'd've punted anyone who behaved like that so fast their head would spin. I understand you're a different guild, but please, make him stop with the abusive tells.

Jauriel · May 2015

Trayyacakes wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Come fight us on Hade. Tertiary Meat could use some more AD support that aren't PvEers.

Also, WTB EP guild to fight on Hade for a good three-way. Was cool to see Guild of Shadows there Sunday night.

The last thing Haderus needs is to import more AD, especially not Misfitz. We have plenty already. They just need to be taught.

The campaign didn't need anymore Reds or Blues either, but that didn't stop it from happening. The lag started in Haderus last night. Haderus had pretty good balance up till then too. DC and AD had the numbers at prime time but EP was more organized and could at the very least hold their ground. Last night DC had the zerg of zergs, but it didn't matter because EP had more guild groups. I don't know if AD got completely demoralized by this or if there was some in fighting, but either way its not good for Had. /shrug, it was a fun week at least.

Blame the AD on Azura. We were kicked off there. We have to go SOMEWHERE.

Takllin · May 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Wait, in the OP Crown said that he usually just has a group of 20-24.
Is that incorrect?

That is correct. When I lead, I prefer a group of 20. It grows often enough to (or I take over lead for) a group of 24. We usually have a wait list after that.

The other people named are part of the group - not running additional groups.

So what happens with the people waiting for entry into that group? Do they form another group and tag along? Do they solo? Do they play on another campaign?

And Crown, please do the entire gaming community a favor and muzzle Sarenvog. As you've seen from the multiple posts about it recently he's deeply insulting and just makes you guys look bad for tolerating that behavior.

When Hijinx was active, I'd've punted anyone who behaved like that so fast their head would spin. I understand you're a different guild, but please, make him stop with the abusive tells.

We have a wait list until someone gets on that is willing to lead the second group. They either tag along or do other things until a spot is available in the first group or a second group forms. We have two invite codes, one for group one, and one for group two.

Crown runs a group of 20-24 but Misfitz as a guild runs one to two groups deep a night.

Crown · May 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

So what happens with the people waiting for entry into that group? Do they form another group and tag along? Do they solo? Do they play on another campaign?

It depends on the individual. Most people are members of multiple guilds, so we'll get some that go with CoH, Decibel, Mafia, Noc, or others if they need more people. Some will act as scouts to give us eyes on areas of interest, sometimes a few may run along side us, though I try to discourage that, and when we reach a total of 32 people available I try to split into two groups of 16 (provided that the group compositions are viable so that we can hit two areas at once (I love having a group of 16 - it's so much easier to manage and performance tends to be better than in larger groups).

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

And Crown, please do the entire gaming community a favor and muzzle Sarenvog. As you've seen from the multiple posts about it recently he's deeply insulting and just makes you guys look bad for tolerating that behavior. When Hijinx was active, I'd've punted anyone who behaved like that so fast their head would spin. I understand you're a different guild, but please, make him stop with the abusive tells.

I don't pay attention to the forums very often (I'll look through them in a few minutes), but he has been told that his rank and membership is based on maintaining the image that we want to give to the rest of the community. Teabagging some particular people (Zavus and I tend to do so to each other, and Nexus once had a full 5 minutes of teabagging me that made me laugh so hard that my beer came out of my nose while trying to drink) in some context is funny, though it should be the exception and not the rule. I'll ask Slaxis to bring it up again at the next guild meeting (Sunday).

Trayyacakes · May 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

Trayyacakes wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Come fight us on Hade. Tertiary Meat could use some more AD support that aren't PvEers.

Also, WTB EP guild to fight on Hade for a good three-way. Was cool to see Guild of Shadows there Sunday night.

The last thing Haderus needs is to import more AD, especially not Misfitz. We have plenty already. They just need to be taught.

The campaign didn't need anymore Reds or Blues either, but that didn't stop it from happening. The lag started in Haderus last night. Haderus had pretty good balance up till then too. DC and AD had the numbers at prime time but EP was more organized and could at the very least hold their ground. Last night DC had the zerg of zergs, but it didn't matter because EP had more guild groups. I don't know if AD got completely demoralized by this or if there was some in fighting, but either way its not good for Had. /shrug, it was a fun week at least.

Blame the AD on Azura. We were kicked off there. We have to go SOMEWHERE.

I'm not blaming anyone. It is just unfortunate. As a pvp community we really should get together and figure this stuff out. We can't expect anything from ZOS. This is on us. If we don't get together and list out the PvP guilds with their typical numbers, make an agreement of who is playing were when, and stick to that agreement, then this is the future of pvp. constant campaign jumping to escape lag.

There are also certain guilds, I will not say who they are, who can field multiple full groups. This is a good thing. I would say that is a very healthy guild, but they should be smart enough to split up and not run around in a 48 person blob and lag the servers out.

I am a red and there is nothing I love more in ESO than killing blues and yellow, but we need to come together as a community that loves to hate each other and do what we can to try and have as many healthy stable campaigns as possible. The only way to do that is to get the guilds together and decide who goes where. We can rotate from time to time so we see/kill different faces, but something needs to happen.

Pchela · May 2015

Requesting Nexus and Misfitz join up in a truce to teabag Zavus when we see him dead.

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2015

Pchela wrote: »

Requesting Nexus and Misfitz join up in a truce to teabag Zavus when we see him dead.

Doesn't Nexus already teabag Zavus themselves?

Pchela · May 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Pchela wrote: »

Requesting Nexus and Misfitz join up in a truce to teabag Zavus when we see him dead.

Doesn't Nexus already teabag Zavus themselves?

Of course we do but I think maybe he needs some multifaction baggin at the same time.

Crown · May 2015

Trayyacakes wrote: »

There are also certain guilds, I will not say who they are, who can field multiple full groups. This is a good thing. I would say that is a very healthy guild, but they should be smart enough to split up and not run around in a 48 person blob and lag the servers out.

I am a red and there is nothing I love more in ESO than killing blues and yellow, but we need to come together as a community that loves to hate each other and do what we can to try and have as many healthy stable campaigns as possible. The only way to do that is to get the guilds together and decide who goes where. We can rotate from time to time so we see/kill different faces, but something needs to happen.

The challenge there is that different guilds have different populations at different times, and while there are some guild or group leaders who will cooperate, there are others who are known to run with well over one full group (if not two full groups) who do not cooperate with the rest of AD. Those guilds/groups cause the rest of us as much trouble as they cause our opponents.

I believe that there are three things that could help:

Guild only campaigns
Dropping the max group size to 16
Dropping AP gains for each group that tags a kill (example: One group kills an opponent and gets 120 AP. If a Second group tagged the opponent, each would get 60. If a third, each would get 40. So on.. If the AP gains are lower, it won't be in the interest of more groups to end up in the same place.

Crown · May 2015

Pchela wrote: »

Requesting Nexus and Misfitz join up in a truce to teabag Zavus when we see him dead.

That would be interesting.. How about each group does a shot every time they kill an opponent leader?

The more you kill the opponent leader, the more you drink and the lower your reaction time and motor control, and the more likely that your opponents will have to drink more!

I like this idea..

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2015

Pchela wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Pchela wrote: »

Requesting Nexus and Misfitz join up in a truce to teabag Zavus when we see him dead.

Doesn't Nexus already teabag Zavus themselves?

Of course we do but I think maybe he needs some multifaction baggin at the same time.

Could a three way faction teabagging of Zavus be peace in our lifetimes? EP, DC, and AD all working towards one goal? Toned thighs and buttocks and a thoroughly teabagged Zavus?

Crown · May 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Could a three way faction teabagging of Zavus be peace in our lifetimes? EP, DC, and AD all working towards one goal? Toned thighs and buttocks and a thoroughly teabagged Zavus?

We're in.

While we're talking about peace, would any of you that lead a full group be up for testing a few things? With all the talk of lag, I'd like to get two opposing groups in one place and have one (and then both) of them spam healing springs, purge, etc. Perhaps get one opponent to spam Fire Ring in the middle of a group of 24 opponents while said opponents spam purge and springs. The goal would be to actually see if what people say about spamming these skills is true / causing lag, and if so determine which skills are the worst culprits.

A 48 person simultaneous meteor would probably be very fun to watch.. we could make designs of skyfall.

EDIT: Grammar.

Pchela · May 2015

Crown wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Could a three way faction teabagging of Zavus be peace in our lifetimes? EP, DC, and AD all working towards one goal? Toned thighs and buttocks and a thoroughly teabagged Zavus?

We're in.

While we're talking about peace, would any of you that lead a full group be up for testing a few things? With all the talk of lag, I'd like to get two opposing groups in one place and have one (and then both) of them to spam healing springs, purge, etc. Perhaps get one opponent to spam Fire Ring in the middle of a group of 24 opponents while said opponents spam purge and springs. The goal would be to actually see if what people say about spamming these skills is true causing lag..

I will talk to Zavus about it see what he thinks.

i also have thought on the idea of guild-only campaigns and it's something I think would be neat to try out. Not sure exactly how it would be implemented, perhaps have a guild officer sign up for a campaign 2 days before it resets. Other guilds on your faction can see if you've signed up for that campaign and can decide to join or go elsewhere.

Weberda · May 2015

Crown wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Could a three way faction teabagging of Zavus be peace in our lifetimes? EP, DC, and AD all working towards one goal? Toned thighs and buttocks and a thoroughly teabagged Zavus?

We're in.

While we're talking about peace, would any of you that lead a full group be up for testing a few things? With all the talk of lag, I'd like to get two opposing groups in one place and have one (and then both) of them spam healing springs, purge, etc. Perhaps get one opponent to spam Fire Ring in the middle of a group of 24 opponents while said opponents spam purge and springs. The goal would be to actually see if what people say about spamming these skills is true / causing lag, and if so determine which skills are the worst culprits.

A 48 person simultaneous meteor would probably be very fun to watch.. we could make designs of skyfall.

EDIT: Grammar.

Great idea. I would suggest that you do this both outside and inside a keep as the effects and results are different I believe.

Crown · May 2015

Weberda wrote: »

Great idea. I would suggest that you do this both outside and inside a keep as the effects and results are different I believe.

When there is insane lag at a keep, it usually seems to be within tick range. Good idea there.

Cinnamon_Spider · May 2015

Trayyacakes wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Come fight us on Hade. Tertiary Meat could use some more AD support that aren't PvEers.

Also, WTB EP guild to fight on Hade for a good three-way. Was cool to see Guild of Shadows there Sunday night.

The last thing Haderus needs is to import more AD, especially not Misfitz. We have plenty already. They just need to be taught.

The campaign didn't need anymore Reds or Blues either, but that didn't stop it from happening. The lag started in Haderus last night. Haderus had pretty good balance up till then too. DC and AD had the numbers at prime time but EP was more organized and could at the very least hold their ground. Last night DC had the zerg of zergs, but it didn't matter because EP had more guild groups. I don't know if AD got completely demoralized by this or if there was some in fighting, but either way its not good for Had. /shrug, it was a fun week at least.

GoS homing there did not upset any balance since the other EP regulars have dwindled in number. DC felt the need to bring in a large number recently. They zerg the inner and then disappear. I really wish that kind of thing would stop on all campaigns.

Kartalin · May 2015

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

DC felt the need to bring in a large number recently. They zerg the inner and then disappear. I really wish that kind of thing would stop on all campaigns.

This is precisely why a lot of Haderus AD simply abandon ship / switch campaigns when it happens and people continue to do it there. Someone said we don't need any more guilds on AD side but really another organized, decent sized guild would be awesome. Not necessarily one the size of Misfitz, but another Tertiary Meat-sized guild would be great. Actually if we could just clone TM...

Cinnamon_Spider · May 2015

milthalas wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

DC felt the need to bring in a large number recently. They zerg the inner and then disappear. I really wish that kind of thing would stop on all campaigns.

This is precisely why a lot of Haderus AD simply abandon ship / switch campaigns when it happens and people continue to do it there. Someone said we don't need any more guilds on AD side but really another organized, decent sized guild would be awesome. Not necessarily one the size of Misfitz, but another Tertiary Meat-sized guild would be great. Actually if we could just clone TM...

Harbingers moved there this week. If they stay, that could be what we need.

Slaxis · May 2015

stonescorsa wrote: »

Oh wait you say look at the tabards but the group you have are wearing white, the herkamur group is wearing white, the thukia group is wearing white lol its the crown zerg. When we see your group herkamur group is there to amd so is thukiaa. Well what a coincidence 2days ago at alessia we wipe all of your groups. Thukiaa was hitting the front door with 20+. Wrx emp group hitting mine side with 20+. Herkamur and his group of 20+ and your group on the lumbermill side and you all still get wiped by only 1 group of EP nice team work. The zerg is real i will send you all the screen shots to prove all these peoplw in white so dont say its not your group

POTATO TIME

Funny how you speak of the Herkamur , Thukia grps but they are in the same guild and run in the same grp. Lol try again!!

Slaxis · May 2015

Lets put all the BS to rest. Misfitz runs grps 20-24 and yes sometimes there is a waiting list. Prime time during weekends a 2nd grp can be started. This is a problem how? Maybe The EP guilds should invest more in recruiting then complaining on the forums. Noone wants to fight in the lag but DC, AD and EP are just as much to blame as the other. \

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Crown wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Wait, in the OP Crown said that he usually just has a group of 20-24.
Is that incorrect?

That is correct. When I lead, I prefer a group of 20. It grows often enough to (or I take over lead for) a group of 24. We usually have a wait list after that.

The other people named are part of the group - not running additional groups.

So what happens with the people waiting for entry into that group? Do they form another group and tag along? Do they solo? Do they play on another campaign?

And Crown, please do the entire gaming community a favor and muzzle Sarenvog. As you've seen from the multiple posts about it recently he's deeply insulting and just makes you guys look bad for tolerating that behavior.

When Hijinx was active, I'd've punted anyone who behaved like that so fast their head would spin. I understand you're a different guild, but please, make him stop with the abusive tells.

Sarenvog open expresses how he feels about you on the forums so you can comment. Ive put a stop to him doing so out of respect for the people who has asked me. But a bunch of you EP whisper me all the time with worse comments then sarenvog has ever said but do you see me on here crying about it.

stonescorsa wrote: »

Ok so you have just said your all apart of misfitz good one bro so your all in one guild. Nice. Exactly my poiht.

And also the reason why i say thukiaa and also herkamur is because USUALLY the guy who stands at the front of the group and the guy who is the 1st one to run into enemy groups is the LEADER but oh wait unless your....... im not going to say your name lols

Bravehorn all I can do is LOL at you. Wasn't it your grp that was running back and forth from aleswell and chalman in a group of about 40 lastnight?

Plain and simple when I lead my guild and groups of misfitz on the battle field and we wipe to nexus, havoc or other DC and EP guilds I simply whisper you and say good fight. When its the other way around I get whispered with "running 2 raid grps" "you lagged us out" "you have no skill" "F*** y** I hope you die and rot in the ground you piece of S***" and the list goes on and on.

I leave you all with this quote "It's easy to do anything in victory. Its in defeat and man reveals himself"

Jauriel · May 2015

Crown wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

So what happens with the people waiting for entry into that group? Do they form another group and tag along? Do they solo? Do they play on another campaign?

It depends on the individual. Most people are members of multiple guilds, so we'll get some that go with CoH, Decibel, Mafia, Noc, or others if they need more people. Some will act as scouts to give us eyes on areas of interest, sometimes a few may run along side us, though I try to discourage that, and when we reach a total of 32 people available I try to split into two groups of 16 (provided that the group compositions are viable so that we can hit two areas at once (I love having a group of 16 - it's so much easier to manage and performance tends to be better than in larger groups).

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

And Crown, please do the entire gaming community a favor and muzzle Sarenvog. As you've seen from the multiple posts about it recently he's deeply insulting and just makes you guys look bad for tolerating that behavior. When Hijinx was active, I'd've punted anyone who behaved like that so fast their head would spin. I understand you're a different guild, but please, make him stop with the abusive tells.

I don't pay attention to the forums very often (I'll look through them in a few minutes), but he has been told that his rank and membership is based on maintaining the image that we want to give to the rest of the community. Teabagging some particular people (Zavus and I tend to do so to each other, and Nexus once had a full 5 minutes of teabagging me that made me laugh so hard that my beer came out of my nose while trying to drink) in some context is funny, though it should be the exception and not the rule. I'll ask Slaxis to bring it up again at the next guild meeting (Sunday).

Grom makes it a point to hunt me down in buildings where I am hiding afk and kill me and teabag me. I come back to my corpse being obscenely desecrated. :'(

Must be a nexus thing.