AD, please save Azura Star

Jauriel · May 2015

I am begging you. Don't let it rot like TB. Then it will be two 30 day campaigns that are not viable and that been abandoned due to poor faction communication and coordination. PLEASE allow competitive fights to resume in that server. The only way to accomplish this is for every AD guild, except save one, to leave. Yes, I know you're walking away from rewards. But so did a lot of us on the opposing factions. Suck it up-show some class and do what's right for the game and those whom love it. I don't really need to repeat what many have said but I will summarize: all of us who have stuck with this game have done so because we obviously love it. It is our escape after work, school, etc. To see it get ruined this way is heartbreaking. Last night my guild attempted to migrate over to another server and half of us were able to squeeze and and the other half sat in queue all night because there is already Dc jammed in there. So a good 12+ of my guys couldn't engage in pvp with their guildees and friends. Is this *really* what you want? And I KNOW my guild isn't alone. To ruin the game for so many people...really? You want to chase even more players away from pvp? Erode guilds? Is one campaign win really worth it?

There is already a ton of AD pugs on Azura. Allow DC and Ep to return and push them back a bit, gain some ground and then one perhaps two AD guilds return and the map again becomes viable, sustainable and populated again. More good fights and ap for all. Short of doing this, Azura will go the way of TB and both 30 day camps are totally one color and unplayable. Because you smart AD leaders, you know what will happen. AD pugs are going to sit on that map just like ep pugs are doing on TB. And they do what? PVE!!! We are the pvp community. All of us organized guilds represent the pvp community. We are the ONLY way to keep pvp alive and fun. Or we can kill it and hand it over to the pve'ers like we are slowly and inevitably doing.

Pchela · May 2015

Very nice, and I agree with your post. Even if AD is mad over Thornblade, that old saying of 'two wrongs don't make a right' keeps popping into my head.

kevlarto_ESO · May 2015

@ Jauriel I agree with you for the most part, I am in AD, I was in AS, but with the map like it is I find it boring, I want to pvp, we need both AS and Thornblade to return to active healthy three faction pvp, but I am sure I am dreaming, players can not seem to police themselves and it looks like we will not be getting help from ZOS, at least any time soon. PVP is one of my favorite things to do in this game, sure hate to see it get to a point I can not enjoy it at all.

technohic · May 2015

Maybe DC and EP should go guest AS as a purple alliance for a while. That would be player policing.

JDar · May 2015

We never wanted this

Ghostbane · May 2015

Personally, I blame the Emperor.

ThePonzzz · May 2015

As someone just breaching the PvP gameplay... I picked Azura's Star. Being that I'm EP, I was curious if this is how it generally goes. I was at several battles before EP got pushed all the way back. But it's pretty crazy.

FENGRUSH · May 2015

The current emperor has failed his people. It is time for Lord FENGRUSH to step in and demonstrate some tripartisanship.

Jauriel · May 2015

technohic wrote: »

Maybe DC and EP should go guest AS as a purple alliance for a while. That would be player policing.

We tried. Bulbasir and I coordinated a dethrone SAturday night and it's been downhill since. Hoards of ad show up to defend even enemy gate keeps.

Rook_Master · May 2015

Judging by the size of the egos being thrown around by some of the AD guild leaders in the other thread, I wouldn't get your hopes up too high.

kevlarto_ESO · May 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Maybe DC and EP should go guest AS as a purple alliance for a while. That would be player policing.

We tried. Bulbasir and I coordinated a dethrone SAturday night and it's been downhill since. Hoards of ad show up to defend even enemy gate keeps.

Same tactic EP used on Thornblade, there would be maybe 5 of us taking the farm for the quest, here comes EP with the emp and 24+ players spamming impulse for 5 players was like over kill X10 LOL EP, AD all guilty of this poor tactic, I never see enough DC to see if they do it also.

Minno · May 2015

Call to arms: EP and DC retake of AS.

Armitas · May 2015

Thornblade is a deep embarrassment for EP. I cringe every time I see it in the list.

edit (regarding the population imbalance)

Jauriel · May 2015

Rook_Master wrote: »

Judging by the size of the egos being thrown around by some of the AD guild leaders in the other thread, I wouldn't get your hopes up too high.

I know a lot of AD leaders and like a lot of them. I am going to hold out hope that they will show some class and Azura won't be poplocked tonight against 1 bar of dc and ep.

Kilandros · May 2015

You have a good message here. I just wish you'd tone down the vitriol and finger pointing in other threads.

Draxys · May 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Judging by the size of the egos being thrown around by some of the AD guild leaders in the other thread, I wouldn't get your hopes up too high.

I know a lot of AD leaders and like a lot of them. I am going to hold out hope that they will show some class and Azura won't be poplocked tonight against 1 bar of dc and ep.

I left upon entering the campaign and seeing the map last night, hopefully others will do the same.... unfortunately it's going to fill up with pugs no matter what

Takllin · May 2015

Jauriel wrote: »

Rook_Master wrote: »

Judging by the size of the egos being thrown around by some of the AD guild leaders in the other thread, I wouldn't get your hopes up too high.

I know a lot of AD leaders and like a lot of them. I am going to hold out hope that they will show some class and Azura won't be poplocked tonight against 1 bar of dc and ep.

I honestly think it is dead either way. Asking 2-3 guild from EP/DC to switch campaigns three times in the span of one season is a lot. Not to mention, the rest of AD which aren't in big guilds or organized are going to stay there, so we will have a surplus no matter what happens.

I hope though, that some guilds will leave today or tomorrow, though I know in Decibel we are kinda waiting for WRX to be dethroned first...

vortexman11 · May 2015

AD doesn't stop, they've been doing it for a while now, back and forth between Haderus and Azuras star. People get mad at EP because they killed Thornblade, but AD has been killing these two campaigns for far longer

Takllin · May 2015

vortexman11 wrote: »

AD doesn't stop, they've been doing it for a while now, back and forth between Haderus and Azuras star. People get mad at EP because they killed Thornblade, but AD has been killing these two campaigns for far longer

Wut? AFAIK Azura's has gone between DC/EP until this campaign after 1.6, though Haderus has been an AD buff server run by PvE guilds. I'd heard though that DC and some EP had come and given them competition...

We are at a bit of a disadvantage where we have the highest population overall. It is hard at times to completely spread out, especially when some guilds are more stubborn than others about their campaign selection.

I do know that talking with others, a good amount would switch to other factions if they introduced a faction swap functionality. One can hope...

technohic · May 2015

Takllin wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

AD doesn't stop, they've been doing it for a while now, back and forth between Haderus and Azuras star. People get mad at EP because they killed Thornblade, but AD has been killing these two campaigns for far longer

Wut? AFAIK Azura's has gone between DC/EP until this campaign after 1.6, though Haderus has been an AD buff server run by PvE guilds. I'd heard though that DC and some EP had come and given them competition...

We are at a bit of a disadvantage where we have the highest population overall. It is hard at times to completely spread out, especially when some guilds are more stubborn than others about their campaign selection.

I do know that talking with others, a good amount would switch to other factions if they introduced a faction swap functionality. One can hope...

It makes me wonder if the influx in Had has pushed some of the AD to jump in Azuras to try to claim a new buff server. Maybe not but just a thought. If thats the case, it would probably take a similar effort and duration as what has taken on Had.

Weberda · May 2015

vortexman11 wrote: »

AD doesn't stop, they've been doing it for a while now, back and forth between Haderus and Azuras star. People get mad at EP because they killed Thornblade, but AD has been killing these two campaigns for far longer

Both campaigns have long been the realm of the AD PvE guilds like DiG. Those people are not concerned with the health of PVP. Their only priority is the keep bonuses (buffs) for use in Trials etc.

Gorthax · May 2015

all three factions are guilty of it. This is the sad SAD state of pvp. No campaign loyalty no faction loyalty, no one actually cares about winning, server hop whenever you want. It is just insane how pathetic pvp is. Oh well, this is what ZoS has in mind, so this is what ZoS gets to see its players complain about. Maybe if some of the quest in pvp were bugged they would give two craps.

Ezareth · May 2015

Takllin wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

AD doesn't stop, they've been doing it for a while now, back and forth between Haderus and Azuras star. People get mad at EP because they killed Thornblade, but AD has been killing these two campaigns for far longer

Wut? AFAIK Azura's has gone between DC/EP until this campaign after 1.6, though Haderus has been an AD buff server run by PvE guilds. I'd heard though that DC and some EP had come and given them competition...

We are at a bit of a disadvantage where we have the highest population overall. It is hard at times to completely spread out, especially when some guilds are more stubborn than others about their campaign selection.

I do know that talking with others, a good amount would switch to other factions if they introduced a faction swap functionality. One can hope...

Umm...no PvE guilds on Haderus do anything useful that I recall. Lot of AD PvE AP Fodder for farm guilds to come soak up.

If Haderus is yellow that is typically due to the presence of Tertiary Meat but lately it has been a DC zergfest.

Takllin · May 2015

technohic wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

AD doesn't stop, they've been doing it for a while now, back and forth between Haderus and Azuras star. People get mad at EP because they killed Thornblade, but AD has been killing these two campaigns for far longer

Wut? AFAIK Azura's has gone between DC/EP until this campaign after 1.6, though Haderus has been an AD buff server run by PvE guilds. I'd heard though that DC and some EP had come and given them competition...

We are at a bit of a disadvantage where we have the highest population overall. It is hard at times to completely spread out, especially when some guilds are more stubborn than others about their campaign selection.

I do know that talking with others, a good amount would switch to other factions if they introduced a faction swap functionality. One can hope...

It makes me wonder if the influx in Had has pushed some of the AD to jump in Azuras to try to claim a new buff server. Maybe not but just a thought. If thats the case, it would probably take a similar effort and duration as what has taken on Had.

AFAIK there are no organized PvE guilds in Azuras, though it could be possible that they just haven't spoken up and made themselves known. DIG was the only one but they left for Haderus because of the large queues and lag a few days into the campaign.

FWIW I hate buff servers, I don't think PvP buffs should apply in PvE. That was an oversight IMO.

Takllin · May 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

AD doesn't stop, they've been doing it for a while now, back and forth between Haderus and Azuras star. People get mad at EP because they killed Thornblade, but AD has been killing these two campaigns for far longer

Wut? AFAIK Azura's has gone between DC/EP until this campaign after 1.6, though Haderus has been an AD buff server run by PvE guilds. I'd heard though that DC and some EP had come and given them competition...

We are at a bit of a disadvantage where we have the highest population overall. It is hard at times to completely spread out, especially when some guilds are more stubborn than others about their campaign selection.

I do know that talking with others, a good amount would switch to other factions if they introduced a faction swap functionality. One can hope...

Umm...no PvE guilds on Haderus do anything useful that I recall. Lot of AD PvE AP Fodder for farm guilds to come soak up.

If Haderus is yellow that is typically due to the presence of Tertiary Meat but lately it has been a DC zergfest.

Ah okay, I stand corrected. I haven't been there since pre 1.6 so I only know from what I've heard from others/seen in chat.

Weberda · May 2015

Takllin wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

AD doesn't stop, they've been doing it for a while now, back and forth between Haderus and Azuras star. People get mad at EP because they killed Thornblade, but AD has been killing these two campaigns for far longer

Wut? AFAIK Azura's has gone between DC/EP until this campaign after 1.6, though Haderus has been an AD buff server run by PvE guilds. I'd heard though that DC and some EP had come and given them competition...

We are at a bit of a disadvantage where we have the highest population overall. It is hard at times to completely spread out, especially when some guilds are more stubborn than others about their campaign selection.

I do know that talking with others, a good amount would switch to other factions if they introduced a faction swap functionality. One can hope...

It makes me wonder if the influx in Had has pushed some of the AD to jump in Azuras to try to claim a new buff server. Maybe not but just a thought. If thats the case, it would probably take a similar effort and duration as what has taken on Had.

AFAIK there are no organized PvE guilds in Azuras, though it could be possible that they just haven't spoken up and made themselves known. DIG was the only one but they left for Haderus because of the large queues and lag a few days into the campaign.

FWIW I hate buff servers, I don't think PvP buffs should apply in PvE. That was an oversight IMO.

I know for a fact that some DiG members are regularly running larger groups on Azura's to do both PvE for cp's and then help roll the map for buffs. I am in a trade guild with a couple of them.

bosmern_ESO · May 2015

AD has been trying to separate for a while now, we used to have about 2 guild that were in Chillrend and the other guilds spread our in other campaigns. But then chillrend became another lag fight server and no one wanted to play in the lag (not pointing fingers at how it was caused)

It's fairly hard to have AD guilds communicate like how EP guilds do

Ezareth · May 2015

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

AD has been trying to separate for a while now, we used to have about 2 guild that were in Chillrend and the other guilds spread our in other campaigns. But then chillrend became another lag fight server and no one wanted to play in the lag (not pointing fingers at how it was caused)

It's fairly hard to have AD guilds communicate like how EP guilds do

Yeah the lag on Haderus has been so bad since all the zergs rolled in that I just switch to BWB on my alt. I know Meat will just head to another server as well.

PvP is pretty much about either farming AP or avoiding lag for most of the participants these days.

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2015

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

AD has been trying to separate for a while now, we used to have about 2 guild that were in Chillrend and the other guilds spread our in other campaigns. But then chillrend became another lag fight server and no one wanted to play in the lag (not pointing fingers at how it was caused)

It's fairly hard to have AD guilds communicate like how EP guilds do

Do they disable /tells and in game mail on the AD side? I mean, that's all we really use most days.

Domander · May 2015

Armitas wrote: »

Thornblade is a deep embarrassment for EP. I cringe every time I see it in the list.

The embarrassment is on the other alliances for failing, fleeing. Just like AS is EP and DC failing.

Takllin · May 2015

Weberda wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

technohic wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

vortexman11 wrote: »

AD doesn't stop, they've been doing it for a while now, back and forth between Haderus and Azuras star. People get mad at EP because they killed Thornblade, but AD has been killing these two campaigns for far longer

Wut? AFAIK Azura's has gone between DC/EP until this campaign after 1.6, though Haderus has been an AD buff server run by PvE guilds. I'd heard though that DC and some EP had come and given them competition...

We are at a bit of a disadvantage where we have the highest population overall. It is hard at times to completely spread out, especially when some guilds are more stubborn than others about their campaign selection.

I do know that talking with others, a good amount would switch to other factions if they introduced a faction swap functionality. One can hope...

It makes me wonder if the influx in Had has pushed some of the AD to jump in Azuras to try to claim a new buff server. Maybe not but just a thought. If thats the case, it would probably take a similar effort and duration as what has taken on Had.

AFAIK there are no organized PvE guilds in Azuras, though it could be possible that they just haven't spoken up and made themselves known. DIG was the only one but they left for Haderus because of the large queues and lag a few days into the campaign.

FWIW I hate buff servers, I don't think PvP buffs should apply in PvE. That was an oversight IMO.

I know for a fact that some DiG members are regularly running larger groups on Azura's to do both PvE for cp's and then help roll the map for buffs. I am in a trade guild with a couple of them.

Ah okay, I am still in DIG but I usually don't pay attention much to chat. I know Mondays are non-vet PvP for them. I know they had switched, I guess they came back.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

AD has been trying to separate for a while now, we used to have about 2 guild that were in Chillrend and the other guilds spread our in other campaigns. But then chillrend became another lag fight server and no one wanted to play in the lag (not pointing fingers at how it was caused)

It's fairly hard to have AD guilds communicate like how EP guilds do

Do they disable /tells and in game mail on the AD side? I mean, that's all we really use most days.

No we just have huge egos and guild leaders who will not work with others, or have weird policies on how to communicate. There is no cohesion, it's each guild for themselves for the most part. Hence the part where no guilds communicated about swapping servers, as each guild wants the AP for themselves, trying to be sneaky about it.