Melee Taunt is still broken- fix it already.

Avenias · May 2015

Its happened so many times where when i use melee taunt, the boss or regular trash does not respond and aggro on me for the duration, instead i need to use the undaunted range taunt to get their aggro back. If this was a f2p game, i would not complain, but this is unacceptable for a b2p game to break something as basic as taunt. Fix it already.

Peekachu99 · May 2015

As a tank, you can't "only" taunt. You still need to dps your target, heal, use an aoe CC, or do something else that generates a large amount of aggro on top of your taunt. The greater base damage of inner fire is probably why you keep aggro better with that skill.

Still, you need to do more. They don't explain this anywhere in the game, though. And they definitely should.

Julianos · May 2015

yea just taunt doesnt work you need to use other abilities too. A good bursting dps can easly break your taunt before 15 sec you need to use debuffs self heal dots etc on the boss

Julianos · May 2015

btw in darkshade cavern veteran the netch boss sometimes glitching and your taunt doesnt work on it it happened to me several time but im not sure if its because its reflective shield or something else

Avenias · May 2015

Peekachu99 wrote: »

As a tank, you can't "only" taunt. You still need to dps your target, heal, use an aoe CC, or do something else that generates a large amount of aggro on top of your taunt. The greater base damage of inner fire is probably why you keep aggro better with that skill.

Still, you need to do more. They don't explain this anywhere in the game, though. And they definitely should.

you dont know what ur talking about, go and read the description of those skills 1st then come back later.

Avenias · May 2015

Axorn wrote: »

btw in darkshade cavern veteran the netch boss sometimes glitching and your taunt doesnt work on it it happened to me several time but im not sure if its because its reflective shield or something else

yes there are some bosses in this game where you cant taunt. the flying jellyfish boss can only be taunted when its on the ground.

Avenias · May 2015

Axorn wrote: »

yea just taunt doesnt work you need to use other abilities too. A good bursting dps can easly break your taunt before 15 sec you need to use debuffs self heal dots etc on the boss

100% rubbish, i have ben holding aggro just using that skill on bosses against dps players 10-13 vet lvls higher since i was vet 1 till now as a vet 4 tank for the entire, u cant break through until the duration is up. Only the melee taunt is giving problems, the range taunt works perfectly fine.

C0pp3rhead · May 2015

As @Peekachu99 explains, high dps can break your taunt.
Also, some bosses will de-aggro and attack a random party member - sometimes this is a mechanic, other times it seems to be a bug.
Another problem I see tanks having is over-taunting If you use a taunt too often the boss will become immune.

war_crescatb16_ESO · May 2015

Avenias wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

As a tank, you can't "only" taunt. You still need to dps your target, heal, use an aoe CC, or do something else that generates a large amount of aggro on top of your taunt. The greater base damage of inner fire is probably why you keep aggro better with that skill.

Still, you need to do more. They don't explain this anywhere in the game, though. And they definitely should.

you dont know what ur talking about, go and read the description of those skills 1st then come back later.

As basic forum netiquette suggests, as an OP you should never insult anyone responding to your threat. It simple is bad attitude and Highlights the fact you just came here rambling and not actually wanting to discuss matters.

On a sidenote: Ransack works perfectly fine for me. No need to complain.

Avenias · May 2015

war_crescatb16_ESO wrote: »

Avenias wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

As a tank, you can't "only" taunt. You still need to dps your target, heal, use an aoe CC, or do something else that generates a large amount of aggro on top of your taunt. The greater base damage of inner fire is probably why you keep aggro better with that skill.

Still, you need to do more. They don't explain this anywhere in the game, though. And they definitely should.

you dont know what ur talking about, go and read the description of those skills 1st then come back later.

As basic forum netiquette suggests, as an OP you should never insult anyone responding to your threat. It simple is bad attitude and Highlights the fact you just came here rambling and not actually wanting to discuss matters.

On a sidenote: Ransack works perfectly fine for me. No need to complain.

i wasnt insulting him, i was just pointing out the fact that he has no clue what he is talking about. My guess is that he has never played a tank before.

pppontus · May 2015

Alright.. time to clear a few things up:

DPS does not break taunt in ESO. Taunt is taunt.

However, a few other things break taunt such as overtaunting (3 taunts in 10s) and certain boss mechanics that "reset aggro" such as on Spawn of Mephala.

The most common issue however with aggro loss and tanks in this game is that the taunt doesn't actually hit when they use it. That one can be quite tricky as it may be due to lag, misses or dodge by the boss or any random bugs really. I try to watch the FTC damage text to see if pierce armor actually hit when tanking, as that seems to be 100% reliable. If pierce armor shows up in the damage log, it always works.

Avenias · May 2015

pppontus wrote: »

Alright.. time to clear a few things up:

DPS does not break taunt in ESO. Taunt is taunt.

However, a few other things break taunt such as overtaunting (3 taunts in 10s) and certain boss mechanics that "reset aggro" such as on Spawn of Mephala.

The most common issue however with aggro loss and tanks in this game is that the taunt doesn't actually hit when they use it. That one can be quite tricky as it may be due to lag, misses or dodge by the boss or any random bugs really. I try to watch the FTC damage text to see if pierce armor actually hit when tanking, as that seems to be 100% reliable. If pierce armor shows up in the damage log, it always works.

oh, finally someone who knows what he is talking about.

Mephiston87 · May 2015

Ransack is a bit iffy at times, never taunt 3 times within 15secs or they get immune, every 10 seconds or so and your fine.

It is a buggy skill and has been since release but %95 of the time it still works, as long as your a watching the direction the enemies/bosses face its easily usable. But yes still a little buggy.

Avenias · May 2015

Mephiston87 wrote: »

Ransack is a bit iffy at times, never taunt 3 times within 15secs or they get immune, every 10 seconds or so and your fine.

It is a buggy skill and has been since release but %95 of the time it still works, as long as your a watching the direction the enemies/bosses face its easily usable. But yes still a little buggy.

Oh well have to play with the silly system in place. It just does not make any sense to have a cap like that, what about having a healing cap, or a dps cap? I bet everyone would be against that, so having a cap to the number of times you can taunt something is just silly.

teladoy · May 2015

Now that you say it, sometimes the melee taunt works and sometimes is like don't do nothing, I have to spam 3 or 4 times.

BuggeX · May 2015

if you overtaunt a target, the target get immun to taunt (overtaunt = 3 times in 15sec)

netchboss in v DS has a Special mechanic, if he has his shild you cant taunt him, but if you taunt him right bevor he stand up he will follow you even more than 15sec.

some bosses has random aggro.

you dont Need to do some dmg if you taunt a target, taunted target is forced to attack you 15sec.

But yes, taunt is a bi Buggy atm.

Cuyler · May 2015

Avenias wrote: »

It just does not make any sense to have a cap like that, what about having a healing cap, or a dps cap? I bet everyone would be against that, so having a cap to the number of times you can taunt something is just silly.

I agree. The cap should be the amount of resource you have to use the ability based on your build, just like everyone else. That way if you spam it too much and run oom or oos and can't taunt its your own fault, not some boss timer mini-game within the game.

Julianos · May 2015

pppontus wrote: »

Alright.. time to clear a few things up:

DPS does not break taunt in ESO. Taunt is taunt.

However, a few other things break taunt such as overtaunting (3 taunts in 10s) and certain boss mechanics that "reset aggro" such as on Spawn of Mephala.

The most common issue however with aggro loss and tanks in this game is that the taunt doesn't actually hit when they use it. That one can be quite tricky as it may be due to lag, misses or dodge by the boss or any random bugs really. I try to watch the FTC damage text to see if pierce armor actually hit when tanking, as that seems to be 100% reliable. If pierce armor shows up in the damage log, it always works.

i ve been tanking since lunch, and im not over taunting but after my first taunt sometimes dps break my taunt and boss attacking them it happened to me a lot so i thought taunt is breakable its my personal experience

Peekachu99 · May 2015

Axorn wrote: »

pppontus wrote: »

Alright.. time to clear a few things up:

DPS does not break taunt in ESO. Taunt is taunt.

However, a few other things break taunt such as overtaunting (3 taunts in 10s) and certain boss mechanics that "reset aggro" such as on Spawn of Mephala.

The most common issue however with aggro loss and tanks in this game is that the taunt doesn't actually hit when they use it. That one can be quite tricky as it may be due to lag, misses or dodge by the boss or any random bugs really. I try to watch the FTC damage text to see if pierce armor actually hit when tanking, as that seems to be 100% reliable. If pierce armor shows up in the damage log, it always works.

i ve been tanking since lunch, and im not over taunting but after my first taunt sometimes dps break my taunt and boss attacking them it happened to me a lot so i thought taunt is breakable its my personal experience

I don't tank, you're right. I heal. I was only trying to offer information, which you rudely spat at. How about you read this, and figure out what you are doing wrong then:

http://forgebreaker.net/eso-basic-tanking-guide/

Julianos · May 2015

Avenias wrote: »

Axorn wrote: »

yea just taunt doesnt work you need to use other abilities too. A good bursting dps can easly break your taunt before 15 sec you need to use debuffs self heal dots etc on the boss

100% rubbish, i have ben holding aggro just using that skill on bosses against dps players 10-13 vet lvls higher since i was vet 1 till now as a vet 4 tank for the entire, u cant break through until the duration is up. Only the melee taunt is giving problems, the range taunt works perfectly fine.

no your attitude is %100 rubbish im sharing my experience here and it happened to me a lot since lunch sometimes dps break taunt after 2-3 secs but if i use my abilties after taunt its ok

eliisra · May 2015

I only loose agro with Ransack when I over taunt. Certain bosses also seem to have mechanics/stages that clears active taunts. But otherwise, they do respond to Ransack.

Can actually be a bit tricky to avoid over-taunting unless you're pro, which I'm not. The fact that taunt is single target, combined with ESO targeting being a bit sluggish, addons debuff timers not being 100% accurate, than accidents do happen. Typical is when you try to taunt one of many adds but the boss jumps in front and gets over taunt instead

Edit: I clearly cant say for sure that crazy dps wont break someone else's taunt. I never experienced it myself, but I always use skills in-between. ESO combat mechanics aren't always that reliable, as we all know. So for sure, there might be truth to what OP claims.

Erock25 · May 2015

DPS certainly does not break taunt. Some bosses have random attacks not related to aggro. People may also be over taunting. 100% guaranteed fact that I can taunt a boss and stand there doing nothing for 15 second while any number of dps players do 500k dps and I will not lose boss aggro.

Reb · May 2015

Peekachu99 wrote: »

I don't tank, you're right. I heal. I was only trying to offer information, which you rudely spat at. How about you read this, and figure out what you are doing wrong then:

http://forgebreaker.net/eso-basic-tanking-guide/

very good ..but the 'information' you were offering was wrong

Julianos · May 2015

Erock25 wrote: »

DPS certainly does not break taunt. Some bosses have random attacks not related to aggro. People may also be over taunting. 100% guaranteed fact that I can taunt a boss and stand there doing nothing for 15 second while any number of dps players do 500k dps and I will not lose boss aggro.

well for me not always after 1 taunt i lost agro and it wasnt boss abilitiy im %1000000000000000000000 sure
but im not sure its a bug or mechanics i didnt look up cos i fix my problem doing more damage to the boss

idk · May 2015

Peekachu99 wrote: »

As a tank, you can't "only" taunt. You still need to dps your target, heal, use an aoe CC, or do something else that generates a large amount of aggro on top of your taunt. The greater base damage of inner fire is probably why you keep aggro better with that skill.

Still, you need to do more. They don't explain this anywhere in the game, though. And they definitely should.

There is not w mechanic in any aspect of the tank builds where dps generates extra agro vs normal dps. Your comment is not correct. While dps and even proximity do generate agro, the ta moon design in this game requires and relies on the taunt, and that taunt actually working. It's a very rudimentary tanking design. Lacks the nuance other games have built into tank agro management.

Peekachu99 · May 2015

Reb wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

I don't tank, you're right. I heal. I was only trying to offer information, which you rudely spat at. How about you read this, and figure out what you are doing wrong then:

http://forgebreaker.net/eso-basic-tanking-guide/

very good ..but the 'information' you were offering was wrong

Only its not entirely wrong. If a tank is messing up his own aggro by overtaunting, missing the mob in question, or ignoring boss ques (when the boss does whatever it wants and the tank taunts it thinking he's lost aggro), then high damage or CC will generate threat. Lots of it. Often, a tank should have some other CC or threat generating skill on his/ her bar. DK tanks can hold most trash mob aggro just by running (or charging) in and CCing all the mobs. I regularly run with a DK tank and he does this all the time.

BuggeX · May 2015

Known Bugs with Taunt

if you engage a fight with taunt, it can happen that taunt doesnt work
in some cases taunt debuff itself and boss run away

pppontus · May 2015

Axorn wrote: »

pppontus wrote: »

Alright.. time to clear a few things up:

DPS does not break taunt in ESO. Taunt is taunt.

However, a few other things break taunt such as overtaunting (3 taunts in 10s) and certain boss mechanics that "reset aggro" such as on Spawn of Mephala.

The most common issue however with aggro loss and tanks in this game is that the taunt doesn't actually hit when they use it. That one can be quite tricky as it may be due to lag, misses or dodge by the boss or any random bugs really. I try to watch the FTC damage text to see if pierce armor actually hit when tanking, as that seems to be 100% reliable. If pierce armor shows up in the damage log, it always works.

i ve been tanking since lunch, and im not over taunting but after my first taunt sometimes dps break my taunt and boss attacking them it happened to me a lot so i thought taunt is breakable its my personal experience

Well, lunch here was about 3 hours ago.

No, but seriously, DPS cannot break a taunt. Other things do, and the person doing the most DPS will probably get aggro if something else removes the taunt, but it in itself cannot break it.