NerZhulen89 wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

NerZhulen89 wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Mmmh... I think this was just a l2p issue. @Mumyo @Liberate were probably the best players I fought in 1.5... both with stamina build

I guess you talk about 1v1.

I talk about 3v20, thats what this thread is about.

This thread is about 8-12vs30-40. Sure in this case stamina was useless but here we are talking about the ways to beat a zerg (ultimate generation especially) who disappeared with 1.6. We are not talking about stamina-magicka balance.

You can argue what you want, the thread is saying PvP is broken and its calling for revert to 1.5.
I am saying PvP is not broken and 1.6 is better.

I wonder how many keeps and scrolls, actually these few players who call themselfs "zerg beaters" like banana squad and others, took in the past. All they did was to hide somewhere, charge ultimate, take resource, hide in the tower and camp the door (LOL awsome PvP skill). They were always on defence, either defending outpost keep or resource. This thread is just a QQ for overpowered mechanics, nothing else.

I think this video represents better the true state of PvP in 1.5 (btw you can see there the same people as in the initial post), notice the troll face at 0:44, he means height of his power using completely broken "troll" build.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2vkJPH3Egc

Yeah keep hiding behind numbers and think you have skill...the game is broken whether you like to admit it out loud or not.
The bitter truth is that PvP is gradually and slowly dying cause of stupid changes made with 1.6. Sure 1.6 has had some good and needed changes but most of them work only in favor of the zerg. And of course we will defend objectives, because when we face 10 times our numbers what can we do? At least on 1.5 you had a fighting chance, now you kill 10 people and another 50 appear without any chance of beating them cause they just siege you down while you fight half of them.

We dont have to revert to same same ulti regen system but the current one is a joke. The ulti regen should be dynamic and rewarding for the more actions you take not static and forcing you to light attack every 8 secs.

Juraigr wrote: »

Your probably the guy instead of spreading out would chase that dk and stand in range of all of his crap then say dk's op nerf nerf or chase a sorc for miles then get rekt and say sorc op nerf, what people are saying is that the new system is flawed you should be rewarded for skilled play for a working rotation not this nonsense we have now, please keep this on topic

Spreading out and do what? Since he is completely immune to all ranged attacks and projectiles?
ESO is not wow, there should be no OP rotation, where if you press 4 keys after each other continuously you will never die and kill everyone.

You think PvP is broken now? Just wait for someone to create a 50 man dodgeroll, vigor, steel tornado blob to »roll« over you. What are you gonna do if you can't even focused a single one cause of perma dodge?

But maybe ZOS will come up with some ideas to fix this. Ah wait, they are still busy destroying smaller groups.

I think the changes were made to please the majority, and that's understandable (if unfortunate). I mean, what do most peole do when they start to play? Grab a big sword, stack weapon damage and expect to go whacking people. Well, you can do it now. The resource game of 1.5 was a bit less intuitive. A lot of players pay zero attention to the game mechanics and what you are doing - i.e. forget blocking/defense, stand in the banner etc. and just spam damage skills, snipe at the scales if possible. Well, that works now too, at least when they have the numbers.

Also, It almost seems like some of the skills have been changed explicitly to make the infamous 1vX next to impossible. Take the jesus beam for example - useless in 1v1, but say someone is a bit outnumbered and is tanking a couple other people - just put a beam on him and boom he goes as he can't dodge, outheal or interrupt it when someone is on his face blocking the view while the beamer can target without trouble, and 1-2s later it's already too late - better remove cinder storm too just to make sure

NerZhulen89 wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

its called playing smart if not one of you could be asked to stop FEEDING HIM ULTIMATE then die, a lot of people are like you just wanna smash buttons and kill things 'oh look and enemy in swarm lemme go toward him' 'oh look enemy standard not a problem for me' shut up with your nonsense there are so many ways to kill dks who try and rotation there way into ulti gen one doesnt even involve skills, its called 'WASD' its on your keyboard all you have to do is press it in the opposite direction

Killing someone by pressing WSAD, you can try that 24/7 you wont score a single kill.
They took your OP toys, stop QQing about it. Learn to play properly without abusing stuff or leave...

The idiocity is strong it's called resource management *** if he is spamming skills and not gaining anything then he's using them up, then he can't do anything and it's an easy kill duuh do I have to explain how to play this game to you

Gargragrond wrote: »

I think the changes were made to please the majority, and that's understandable (if unfortunate). I mean, what do most peole do when they start to play? Grab a big sword, stack weapon damage and expect to go whacking people. Well, you can do it now. The resource game of 1.5 was a bit less intuitive. A lot of players pay zero attention to the game mechanics and what you are doing - i.e. forget blocking/defense, stand in the banner etc. and just spam damage skills, snipe at the scales if possible. Well, that works now too, at least when they have the numbers.

Also, It almost seems like some of the skills have been changed explicitly to make the infamous 1vX next to impossible. Take the jesus beam for example - useless in 1v1, but say someone is a bit outnumbered and is tanking a couple other people - just put a beam on him and boom he goes as he can't dodge, outheal or interrupt it when someone is on his face blocking the view while the beamer can target without trouble, and 1-2s later it's already too late - better remove cinder storm too just to make sure

Very true.

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Ulti regen was the stupidest change ever made in this game. Why should a noob spamming light attacks on me while fighting 10+ players get the same ulti regen as me...makes total sense. GG ZOS you killed your own game. RIP PVP.

OH I know. It made total sense to be able to continuously run ultimate abilities like Batswarm while healing yourself. It was SOOO good for PvP. (I haven't forgotten that BS bud. And others should remember the bull pucky too.)


Ultimate regen right now is at a reasonable level. imagine that. you actually have to use your weapons for ultimate generation.

NerZhulen89 wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

The idiocity is strong it's called resource management *** if he is spamming skills and not gaining anything then he's using them up, then he can't do anything and it's an easy kill duuh do I have to explain how to play this game to you

You can cast reflective scale every 4 seconds without ever runnign out of mana.

The struggle is real for u

NerZhulen89 wrote: »

Juraigr wrote: »

The idiocity is strong it's called resource management *** if he is spamming skills and not gaining anything then he's using them up, then he can't do anything and it's an easy kill duuh do I have to explain how to play this game to you

You can cast reflective scale every 4 seconds without ever runnign out of mana.

Because you sniped his scales and stood in his AoE and let his DoTs tick on you and die fast enough that he didn't run out...

If you re crying still about reflective scales then i know for sure that is a l2p issue.
What is the noob's motto always? Ah #NerfDk'sToTheGroundSoICanSnipe24/7

And thats coming from a templar.

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Ulti regen was the stupidest change ever made in this game. Why should a noob spamming light attacks on me while fighting 10+ players get the same ulti regen as me...makes total sense. GG ZOS you killed your own game. RIP PVP.

OH I know. It made total sense to be able to continuously run ultimate abilities like Batswarm while healing yourself. It was SOOO good for PvP. (I haven't forgotten that BS bud. And others should remember the bull pucky too.)


Ultimate regen right now is at a reasonable level. imagine that. you actually have to use your weapons for ultimate generation.

What reasonable level? Because its so fair when you re outnumbered 5:1 people that just stand around you and do light attacks and ranged spells having the same ulti regen as you. And i say that not having played at all dk seriously before 1.6, because my main is a templar. Good thing this ulti regen everybody is hiding behind numbers and demonstrate their depthless skill by applying their face on the keyboard and press 1 button. If you think ulti regen is fine you re so deluded, probably one of the zerglings hiding behind 50 people and emoting when they kill you 50vs10.

Numbers=Skill.

This exactly right here, why should i be be penalized for trying to fight many people on one?? very clear in the video not trying to toot my horn so apologies but when that raid was trying to hide we timed our ulti drops in order to maximize our own dps and minimize theirs and healing, which is EXACTLY what the ultimates where advertised to do. This new system just favors numbers as everyone is pointing out and im glad to see im not alone in this even if i do play dk. (and i still am playing dk even though i have a sorc)

kkravaritieb17_ESO wrote: »

Maybe if we whine a bit, we might be heard eventually. I guess thats what ZOS appreciates from its players.

Ultimate gain issue is going to be main topic in this thread apparently. There are more problems than that. Power and regen stacking up to ridiculous levels and that huge gap between offence/defence -for one being hardcapped and the other not (apart from shield stacking and bugs)- are the popular ones along with ulti gain issue.
Just in case someone from Zos reading^^