Oops, you got resting.

I miss all that stuff, it should have been in game, but oh well. It will be soon™

The only thing I agree with to help with the game's longevity is player created content. That could add thousands of hours of content on top of the content already there and ZO doesn't have to lift a finger.

I think jailtime would be pretty good to have, for those players who rack up 50k+ bounties and don't have any money to pay it off, currently they're kinda kill-on-sight (and understandably so) for a long, long time until it dies out normally, which could be multiple days irl.

For a 50,000 bounty though it'd probably have to be a lot more than a few minutes to be balanced with the alternative. Time goes down when offline, with opportunities to break out and lose the bounty altogether (perhaps the one lockpick as one way of doing it, but also the chance of other players to help you break out, at a risk of them getting a bounty as well if it fails?)

I haven't made a post on it @Robo_Hobo but I imagine a more meaningful justice system that involves local, short term prisons that can be picked and escaped from and longer, more quest oriented dungeons. Perhaps with the thieves guild. That would be an interesting way to introduce the Thieves guild... through a cellmate.

I invite you to check out my over-encumbrance concept @jircris11. It's one of the concepts I really believe would add quite a bit of freedom to ESO and would mirror what we have in other TES games.

As for the reprogramming of the core game

Check out this video around 2:30... Dark age of Camelot didn't have underwater swimming when it released in 2001. It was added in 2003 with the Trials of Atlantis expansion pack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx60nwPdTI4
Guess who was the Executive Producer on that particular expansion... Matt Frior. I know it can't be done simply... but it can be done.

Speaking of able to be done. Player Created Content is very much a possibility. Neverwinter and Star Trek Online both provide players the abilities to make player created quests which other players can play and rate. in ESO, players could also make armor suggestions and what-not that could be submitted to ZOS. ZOS could allow the community to vote on which they would like to see in-game, and then ZOS would release the community designed content. Not exactly mods, but again, could be done.

oh, and you're completely right about followers. Skyrim was the first game in which I remember having a long-term follower... same goes for children.

Gidorick wrote: »

I invite you to check out my over-encumbrance concept @jircris11. It's one of the concepts I really believe would add quite a bit of freedom to ESO and would mirror what we have in other TES games.

As for the reprogramming of the core game

Check out this video around 2:30... Dark age of Camelot didn't have underwater swimming when it released in 2001. It was added in 2003 with the Trials of Atlantis expansion pack.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx60nwPdTI4
Guess who was the Executive Producer on that particular expansion... Matt Frior. I know it can't be done simply... but it can be done.

Speaking of able to be done. Player Created Content is very much a possibility. Neverwinter and Star Trek Online both provide players the abilities to make player created quests which other players can play and rate. in ESO, players could also make armor suggestions and what-not that could be submitted to ZOS. ZOS could allow the community to vote on which they would like to see in-game, and then ZOS would release the community designed content. Not exactly mods, but again, could be done.

oh, and you're completely right about followers. Skyrim was the first game in which I remember having a long-term follower... same goes for children.

Adding swimming itself is not the issue, i am talking about actual underwater activities like gw2. (fighting and such) that would take a lot of work and would be sloppy. Sadly DAOC runs on a older programing and TBH some of the older games (including wow) are more accepting of changes to how the core game mechanics work. Though eso (might be able to add diving) it would not be smooth like the other TES games. I would love to have underwater but we all know argonians would be running ramped in pvp due to underwater breathing lol. And yes player created INSTANCES would work, but as mentioned i was assuming you meant mods like TES games support. That would not be possible on a mmo due to the easy manipulation of items making them "godly" ON neverwinter i made a HUGE "quest" that i use as a guild hall. took me months but it is one of the largest on the foundry.
as for followers, morrowind had escort quest but i remember them being sooooo derpy...."yes that is a rock now walk a...walk around the damn thing!"

11: Useful and interesting Enchanting with trapped souls of your enemies.
12: Attributes
13: Spellcrafting

And player created content usually sucks in MMOs. There are no rewards because that might be abusable (so much abuse in STO ...), and nobody plays it because there are no rewards. It's a development timesink without any benefit to the game.

10: This was actually mentioned awhile back as future content at the same time as Jewelry Crafting.
9: Depends, if they added quivers and the ammo went in them sure otherwise it would just clutter up bag space
8: This is an MMO interact with others
7: This would be interesting to see eventually added, but at the same time they'd have to find somewhere to add it in a city
6: This would definitely be interesting.
5: I expect this will be added with Housing whenever that's done.
4: Limited bag space does this well enough even if you don't get slower
3: I'd like to see this if for no reason other than it would make dungeons more interesting
2: Let's be honest they'd be interesting for a week and never used again
1: No, I don't see how this would work in an MMO

I'd like to see all of this stuff added with the exception of underwater environments and over-encumbrance. Player created content would be nice, kinda like what Neverwinter has with their Foundry, but that would be a huge development undertaking. However, it would probably be worth it since it would allow them to make more money.

Rather than spending 30 minutes talking about underwater combat they should have done the Arm Chair Developer segmented on something like Player Created Content.

PKMN12 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Recently, I was considering what aspects of previous Elder Scrolls games are missing from The Elder Scrolls Online and thought it would make an interesting Top Ten list. I have linked threads that I have created on many of these topics.

Not included because the content has been announced or will more than likely be added

• Dark Brotherhood
• Thieves Guild
• Housing

The Top Ten Elder Scrolls Tropes Missing From the Elder Scrolls Online
10: Poisons: Slow and steady damage to enemies that can be added to weapons and arrows.
09: Consumable Arrows: Special arrows (such as poisoned), of which the player has a limited number.
08: Followers: NPCs that the player can hire to join them during their journey.
07: Jails: A place where players can wait out their sentence instead of paying a bounty. Includes quests and jailbreak missions.
06: Unarmed Combat: Fisticuffs, to include various types of fist weaponry like brass knuckles.
05: Useable Furniture (Chairs, Beds, Ladders,etc.): Allow us to sit in chairs, lay in beds, and put items INTO containers.
04: Over-encumbrance: Allow players to carry more than their capacity, with slow-down effects and potions to make our burden lighter.
03: Underwater environments: Underwater exploration/treasure hunting/quests are a must... combat isn't.
02: Torches: To be accompanied by darker environments.
01: Player Created Content: I said it before, but this is absolutely vital to the long term success of ESO.

Honorable Mention:

• Children
• The need to rest

What feature from the TES series do you feel is missing from ESO and how do you think ESO could benefit from the addition of that feature?

10. Nightblade and Bow has poison abilties, as an itemm they would either be useless or OP
9. NEVER in an MMO. All it does is give up inventory space for an extra resource, a resource that possibly might make your class usless mid-dungeon if not careful. This is a TERRIBLE idea in an MMO, and there is a VERY good reason most MMOs that had it, got rid of it
7.not really possible in an MMO without problems
5. not viable in an MMO, too many problems, will not happen
4. would not really change much, because thanks to combat, no one in their right mind would ever have more then they could carry and would just drop stuff anyway
3. has never worked really in an MMO. even in GW2, not many people actually LIKE the underwater part of the game
2. would never be used, as it would either impede combat, or would be useless
1. WILL NEVER HAPPEN, EVER. STO/Neverwinter tried something like palyer-created quests, it failed REALLY hard, as it is VERY abusable and tends to be used more for grinding then anything else. anything other then that WIL NEVER HAPPEN IN AN MMO, EVER!

I am glad you left number 6 out of your bash fest because Unarmed combat would be awesome if they could figure out how to make it work.

PKMN12 wrote: »

agreed, love playing monks

would love to play as a monk-tank type character.

OMG.

Hand-to-Hand is the one thing I am DYING for in this game. In fact, I've built my main as a Nightblade around Impale, Concealed Weapon, and Teleport Strike specifically because of those nifty "psi-blade" animations.

Since we have 4 Stamina-based weapon skill lines and only 2 Magicka lines, I think the best way to go about it is make it a Magicka-based skill line (to synergize with Light Armor) that uses fist runes or some such that are crafted via Enchanting. And we already have the punching animations. Give us a kick or two and we're good to go.

Seriously, I NEED to punch Molag Bal in the FACE.

Gidorick wrote: »

The Top Ten Elder Scrolls Tropes Missing From the Elder Scrolls Online
10: Poisons: Slow and steady damage to enemies that can be added to weapons and arrows.
09: Consumable Arrows: Special arrows (such as poisoned), of which the player has a limited number.
08: Followers: NPCs that the player can hire to join them during their journey.
07: Jails: A place where players can wait out their sentence instead of paying a bounty. Includes quests and jailbreak missions.
06: Unarmed Combat: Fisticuffs, to include various types of fist weaponry like brass knuckles.
05: Useable Furniture (Chairs, Beds, Ladders,etc.): Allow us to sit in chairs, lay in beds, and put items INTO containers.
04: Over-encumbrance: Allow players to carry more than their capacity, with slow-down effects and potions to make our burden lighter.
03: Underwater environments: Underwater exploration/treasure hunting/quests are a must... combat isn't.
02: Torches: To be accompanied by darker environments.
01: Player Created Content: I said it before, but this is absolutely vital to the long term success of ESO.

Honorable Mention:

• Children
• The need to rest

10 - a 'trope'?, not sure all TES games have it, but it's something that wouldn't be out of place I agree
9 - no thanks, they're a PITA in all games, a good example of where 'realism' is simply not needed
8 - not at all a' trope' given that the majority of TES games don't have this feature and in an MMO it simply creates yet another context in which there'll be endless whining about 'OP HIRELINGS'
7 - Justice needs to die entirely, IDC what fiddling they do to it, again it's not a 'trope'
6 - while it's certainly not a 'trope' as it doesn't appear in all TES games it's one I entirely agree with you, ESO should have had it given that it's a game with beast races
5 - not really a 'trope' but IDC one way or the other
4 - I have no view, I don't care for it in games that have it but I also think it laughable we can carry 200 pieces of heavy armour if we have the gold to buy the slots
3 - not a 'trope' but I agree the lack of underwater content is sad for a modern RPG
2 - no thanks, see (9)
1 - no thanks, given the absurdity of the vast majority of the mods for TES games it's clear there are very, very few talented people in the player-base capable of producing playable content even for games played solo, in an MMO it just won't work. Yes, I know you can provide historic examples of this but they're from a by-gone era and no indication it will work these days.

So, I can't identify a single 'trope' in your list, none of the items you mention are in all TES games (and I'll even leave out Arena) and some items only exist in Skyrim so that's hardly a qualification for 'trope' status IMO.

As for your final couple, I agree the absence of children is laughable, especially as Skyrim had them where they added greatly to the realism of cities .. and the fatuous arguments people make against them, citing things like 'child abuse' and the like aren't worth a rebuttal .. but resting, no, not going to happen in an MMO where I can't 'wait' to skip it.

PKMN12 wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

PKMN12 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Recently, I was considering what aspects of previous Elder Scrolls games are missing from The Elder Scrolls Online and thought it would make an interesting Top Ten list. I have linked threads that I have created on many of these topics.

Not included because the content has been announced or will more than likely be added

• Dark Brotherhood
• Thieves Guild
• Housing

The Top Ten Elder Scrolls Tropes Missing From the Elder Scrolls Online
10: Poisons: Slow and steady damage to enemies that can be added to weapons and arrows.
09: Consumable Arrows: Special arrows (such as poisoned), of which the player has a limited number.
08: Followers: NPCs that the player can hire to join them during their journey.
07: Jails: A place where players can wait out their sentence instead of paying a bounty. Includes quests and jailbreak missions.
06: Unarmed Combat: Fisticuffs, to include various types of fist weaponry like brass knuckles.
05: Useable Furniture (Chairs, Beds, Ladders,etc.): Allow us to sit in chairs, lay in beds, and put items INTO containers.
04: Over-encumbrance: Allow players to carry more than their capacity, with slow-down effects and potions to make our burden lighter.
03: Underwater environments: Underwater exploration/treasure hunting/quests are a must... combat isn't.
02: Torches: To be accompanied by darker environments.
01: Player Created Content: I said it before, but this is absolutely vital to the long term success of ESO.

Honorable Mention:

• Children
• The need to rest

What feature from the TES series do you feel is missing from ESO and how do you think ESO could benefit from the addition of that feature?

10. Nightblade and Bow has poison abilties, as an itemm they would either be useless or OP
9. NEVER in an MMO. All it does is give up inventory space for an extra resource, a resource that possibly might make your class usless mid-dungeon if not careful. This is a TERRIBLE idea in an MMO, and there is a VERY good reason most MMOs that had it, got rid of it
7.not really possible in an MMO without problems
5. not viable in an MMO, too many problems, will not happen
4. would not really change much, because thanks to combat, no one in their right mind would ever have more then they could carry and would just drop stuff anyway
3. has never worked really in an MMO. even in GW2, not many people actually LIKE the underwater part of the game
2. would never be used, as it would either impede combat, or would be useless
1. WILL NEVER HAPPEN, EVER. STO/Neverwinter tried something like palyer-created quests, it failed REALLY hard, as it is VERY abusable and tends to be used more for grinding then anything else. anything other then that WIL NEVER HAPPEN IN AN MMO, EVER!

I am glad you left number 6 out of your bash fest because Unarmed combat would be awesome if they could figure out how to make it work.

agreed, love playing monks

would love to play as a monk-tank type character.

Indeed. It'd be nice if we could learn Goutfang, Rawlith'khaj and Whispering Claw when more of Elsweyr is made accessible. Could imagine a skillline for it, as that's all about hand-to-hand combat.

This is a lot of great feedback. While not all of these features are in every ESO game, I feel that they have become what makes an Elder Scrolls RPG an Elder Scrolls RPG. To me, these are the types of things that would make ESO FEEL like a TES game.

While I completely understand not everyone agreeing that ESO would benefit from some of these mechanics the suggestion that they CAN'T be done just seems absurd.... All of these mechanics could feasibly be accomplished in an MMO, it would just take a little bit of creative design.

Would it be DIFFERENT than other MMOs? Yes. But why is that a bad thing? Why woud it be a bad thing to make ESO more closely resemble the games which birthed it?

Some of you may be a "it's always been done this way so it must be done this way" type people. That's fine. I am not that type of person. I tend to dream a little more.

PKMN12 wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

This is a lot of great feedback. While not all of these features are in every ESO game, I feel that they have become what makes an Elder Scrolls RPG an Elder Scrolls RPG. To me, these are the types of things that would make ESO FEEL like a TES game.

While I completely understand not everyone agreeing that ESO would benefit from some of these mechanics the suggestion that they CAN'T be done just seems absurd.... All of these mechanics could feasibly be accomplished in an MMO, it would just take a little bit of creative design.

Would it be DIFFERENT than other MMOs? Yes. But why is that a bad thing? Why woud it be a bad thing to make ESO more closely resemble the games which birthed it?

Some of you may be a "it's always been done this way so it must be done this way" type people. That's fine. I am not that type of person. I tend to dream a little more.

no, some of your "NEEDED" thigns only appear in Skyrim and/or Oblivion. The game considered to be the best TES, Morrowind, has MAYBE half of them. so no, they do NOT make a TES game, a TES game, that is absurd to even say that. MAybe you should play other games in the series before commenting on what is needed in a TES game.

also, no, some of these are simply NOT FEASIBLE in an MMO setting for a variety of reasons, several of which is that they would NOT be used at all or would make the game have even MORE lag problems then it ALREADY has.

Pkmn you are like the Disagree villain of the forums lol every thread you post against it and i find it really entertaining lol.