Nerf PUGS !!!

lets be honest, dk are the op class on field, you know wath im doing with nb when they try to gank me? xD
not zos/game Mechanik failure if you go fullglasscannon and get ganked and 2hited in 1sec....

Gargragrond wrote: »

Smepic wrote: »

The bigger issue is with Fear, and how it activates before you actually see your character visually feared. The victim has a longer reaction time due to this, and the attacker can get in many hits before you are able to cc break. It is so hard to notice and react to compared to other cc such as projectiles.

Yes, this is extremely important. When you get knocked on your a$$ by frags or thrown in the air by a wrecking blow, it's immediately obvious. With fear, your char just stands there the first second (maybe he screams, but everyone screams all the time anyway..), the visual que (faint red cloud(?)) is easily masked by every other visual in a hectic situation. This alone probably allows at least one extra attack compared to any other stun in the game, and combined with maybe the hardest hitting instant abilities, it's very strong.

To me fear is immediately obvious because my character stops responding to movement commands. Since i am always moving, it is impossible to miss.

Only exception is when the fear sends me running in a direction i was going anyway, then it becomes harder to detect fast, but that only happens rarely.

Sharee wrote: »

Gargragrond wrote: »

Smepic wrote: »

The bigger issue is with Fear, and how it activates before you actually see your character visually feared. The victim has a longer reaction time due to this, and the attacker can get in many hits before you are able to cc break. It is so hard to notice and react to compared to other cc such as projectiles.

Yes, this is extremely important. When you get knocked on your a$$ by frags or thrown in the air by a wrecking blow, it's immediately obvious. With fear, your char just stands there the first second (maybe he screams, but everyone screams all the time anyway..), the visual que (faint red cloud(?)) is easily masked by every other visual in a hectic situation. This alone probably allows at least one extra attack compared to any other stun in the game, and combined with maybe the hardest hitting instant abilities, it's very strong.

To me fear is immediately obvious because my character stops responding to movement commands. Since i am always moving, it is impossible to miss.

Only exception is when the fear sends me running in a direction i was going anyway, then it becomes harder to detect fast, but that only happens rarely.

That would be true if they hadn't added the stupid mini-stun every time someone uses a gap closer on you. When you're a Sorc you stop moving constantly because there is always someone crit-charging, ambushing, invasion spamming you so using that as an indicator of fear is not viable.

I imagine you could just spam your break free button incessantly while PvPing to avoid this but that is a stupid counter to an ability that clearly bugs more than any other CC.

Even so, I often find in those situations where the fear "animation" fails I can't break it until it actually shows up a second or two later.

psufan5 wrote: »

What? Like the DKs of old killing 5+ people at a time? Nightblades cant do this unless are fighting 5 AFK players, or complete morons.

Than we're talking about seriously old stuff, pre 1.2 DK's. There where no DK's in 1.5 that could wipe 5+ players at a time. That routine only worked with morons or afk. People with half a brain didn't stand in talons/swarm/standard.

Same with NB dodge bot today or sorcerers today. Can also kill 5+ morons. Surely a different play style but same outcome. DK's tanked 5+ and just AoE'ed them down like a monster truck. While NB kites, cloaks and avoids dmg from morons, than kills them of one by one.

I've been playing this game and reading this forum since day one. Since early beta.

I have never read these 3 words before:

"NightBlades are overpowered"

I better carry a camera with me when I go fishing this weekend because I have a feeling I'll see Bigfoot too.

Ezareth wrote: »

psufan5 wrote: »

What? Like the DKs of old killing 5+ people at a time? Nightblades cant do this unless are fighting 5 AFK players, or complete morons.

eliisra wrote: »

Than we're talking about seriously old stuff, pre 1.2 DK's. There where no DK's in 1.5 that could wipe 5+ players at a time. That routine only worked with morons or afk. People with half a brain didn't stand in talons/swarm/standard.

Same with NB dodge bot today or sorcerers today. Can also kill 5+ morons. Surely a different play style but same outcome. DK's tanked 5+ and just AoE'ed them down like a monster truck. While NB kites, cloaks and avoids dmg from morons, than kills them of one by one.

The DKs of old couldn't kill 2 good players 1 on 2 either. Throughout the history of ESO no class has been so powerful that it could kill multiple players of equal skill from other classes. Every class could 1vX and can 1vX. NBs just have the easiest time of it right now, nothing more.

Pit Sypher or any player on any class of your choice against me and another player of my choice and they'll win a 1v2 0 times out of 10.

The thing about DKs at launch was they got stronger the more enemies they were dealing with, and it gave people who didn't actually play the class a wrong impression of relative class strength in other situations.

Yeah a DK could survive getting pounded on by 20 people but that never translated to 1v1 or 1v2.

Balance is better now, I enjoy all the classes and I'm glad they all have strengths and weaknesses.

Nightblades are over...whelmed
by the other classes' "overpoweredness".

Vatter wrote: »

100% crit from stealth
medium armor nirn max weapon damage build
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Available to all classes.

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fear
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Werewolfs are overpowered.

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vanish
super speed
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Available to all classes:

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3k stamina regen to dodge indefinitely for 100% dodge mitigation
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30% extra Stamina Regen compared to other classes is nice tho.

kijima wrote: »

Are you guys not using detect pots?

Seriously, every wannabe Nightblade FOTM build is pretty much terrabad when you use a detect pot, they can be smashed into oblivion with pots.

You should try it.

Noooo.... It's hard to gank as it is already.. nooo...
Plz don't use detect pots... use tri pots, they are nice, they heal all 3 stats, ain't them fancy? .. .keep using only those ._.

Vatter wrote: »

100% crit from stealth
medium armor nirn max weapon damage build
fear
vanish
super speed
3k stamina regen to dodge indefinitely for 100% dodge mitigation

who cares if they don't have a self heal they don't need it at ALL. this class is ridiculously over powered.

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Damage on this game period is over-powered. It's just way too high. They need to scale it back by 90% at least. That's how ridiculous it is.

Anyone who would describe a lack of healing on this game as a weakness hasn't ever set foot into Cyrodil. So I agree with you no one needs a self heal. I had my bar filled with seal heals and they did absolutely nothing to keep me alive. The 22k health I had didn't do anything either. lol

You are much better off just building an offensive character and hoping you get the first round of attacks in. Because in the end, that's really all PvP on this game boils down to. So a Nightblade sounds like the way to go.

Ezareth wrote: »

kijima wrote: »

Are you guys not using detect pots?

Seriously, every wannabe Nightblade FOTM build is pretty much terrabad when you use a detect pot, they can be smashed into oblivion with pots.

You should try it.

Detect pots actually put you at a disadvantage against good nightblades, but yeah they're great for chasing down bads.

Agreed Eza, personally what I've found it that a good NB is hard to 1v1 at the moment...with anything other than another NB.

My DK on non-vet for instance has lousy DPS, but can swill a detect pot and smash most NB's as they are garbage most of the time, you know when you've meet a good NB in blackwater, chances are they were an NB at release when the class was rubbish, so they have learnt how to play that class well. It's those I find difficult.

Still detect pots FTW for about 80% of the NB's around at the moment, they freak out when you get a tail on them as they are so used to vanishing. I had one dude said, but I used cloak, you are hacking.... that's the only way you could kill me, using hacks!

Then I linked a detect pot, and that was the last I heard from him.

I just want to point out the obvious things before I retire for the night. (not arguing, just pointing out)

master assassin - increase weapon damage and spell damage by 10% while in stealth ( no other class has anything comparable)

You are right, there is a stealth bonus. While the other classes have active combat bonus passives. So if that stealth hit fails, which it usually does against anyone who is good at pvp, then the bonus is gone. (yes you can use cloak. maybe three times on a stamina build, and they can still hit you if they have a detect pot.)

shadow cloak - instantly go invisible and wipe 4 negative effects on you (spammable to death. no other class has anything comparable. invisibility pot is NOT spammable.

as many have pointed out, it is countered by many things such as detection potions and radiant magelight. ONE MORPH only purges DOT effects. the other one gives crit. This templar ability and its morphs not only purge all, but they heal and allow others to purge with a synergy. Its also cheaper than cloak.

Path of darkness - major speed boost with damage included. (no other class has anything comparable. retreating maneuver is removed as soon as you attack anything and Sorcs have a major penalty for bolt escape.)

Yes, but its poor damage ,and confined to limited space. This is a sorcerer ability that also grants the movement speed and damage, but it is not confined to a ground aoe, and it has a chance to proc a passive execute.
That looks pretty comparable. Heck, I would say its better.

Aspect of terror - Most OP and buggiest CC skill in game. NB's are exploiting this non stop with crit charge to make you unable to CC break. NON STOP. 50% reduced speed for 4 secs AND lowers enemy damage by 15%. (no other class has anything remotely close to this.)

please tell me you mean mass hysteria. credibility and correct names and all that. Every other class has a shield and/or a reliable in combat heal. They also have effective zoning and debuff skills such as talons, or defensive rune, or velocious curse (which also counters cloak btw), or sun fire, or dark flare, or streak, or backlash, or petrify. CC is broken at the moment. But, yes, fear is strong.

1. a dodge roll gives 100% dodge chance for a few secs. dodge rolls cost stamina. stamina that NB's are dishing out at insane amounts.

Not in any way exclusive to nightblades. But it is essentially the class's only viable defensive move. A dk can do it, and use their shield (which boosts their healing, gdb anyone?) to regen 5% stamina gain two ult and 5% weapon damage per cast. heck, that grants the luxury of not having to roll all the time. Its not like the regen is 30% of max stamina, that would be op.

3. attacking from stealth gives 100% crit chance. "oh....100% crit in stealth you say? and I can spam a skill that puts me in stealth? 100% crit chance on my 3k weapon damage thats buffed with stealth? well....."

there is a difference between stealth and sneak. Sneak grants the crit, stealth doesn't unless you take that morph of shadow cloak. You still get the stealth passive, granted.

4. most of the NB attacks are checked by armor. 7/7 heavy armor barely gets you 22k armor. NB's surprise attack reduces your armor by 8k. thats without any enchants

Theres no real mitigation for their damage.

As for ults, sure this costs more,

but its a capped incoming damage and 100% armor pen.



But it is nice to have a Nightblade nerf thread. every other class has had one, good to see it pass around.

Shunravi wrote: »

I just want to point out the obvious things before I retire for the night. (not arguing, just pointing out)

master assassin - increase weapon damage and spell damage by 10% while in stealth ( no other class has anything comparable)

You are right, there is a stealth bonus. While the other classes have active combat bonus passives. So if that stealth hit fails, which it usually does against anyone who is good at pvp, then the bonus is gone. (yes you can use cloak. maybe three times on a stamina build, and they can still hit you if they have a detect pot.)

shadow cloak - instantly go invisible and wipe 4 negative effects on you (spammable to death. no other class has anything comparable. invisibility pot is NOT spammable.

as many have pointed out, it is countered by many things such as detection potions and radiant magelight. ONE MORPH only purges DOT effects. the other one gives crit. This templar ability and its morphs not only purge all, but they heal and allow others to purge with a synergy. Its also cheaper than cloak.

Path of darkness - major speed boost with damage included. (no other class has anything comparable. retreating maneuver is removed as soon as you attack anything and Sorcs have a major penalty for bolt escape.)

Yes, but its poor damage ,and confined to limited space. This is a sorcerer ability that also grants the movement speed and damage, but it is not confined to a ground aoe, and it has a chance to proc a passive execute.
That looks pretty comparable. Heck, I would say its better.

Aspect of terror - Most OP and buggiest CC skill in game. NB's are exploiting this non stop with crit charge to make you unable to CC break. NON STOP. 50% reduced speed for 4 secs AND lowers enemy damage by 15%. (no other class has anything remotely close to this.)

please tell me you mean mass hysteria. credibility and correct names and all that. Every other class has a shield and/or a reliable in combat heal. They also have effective zoning and debuff skills such as talons, or defensive rune, or velocious curse (which also counters cloak btw), or sun fire, or dark flare, or streak, or backlash, or petrify. CC is broken at the moment. But, yes, fear is strong.

1. a dodge roll gives 100% dodge chance for a few secs. dodge rolls cost stamina. stamina that NB's are dishing out at insane amounts.

Not in any way exclusive to nightblades. But it is essentially the class's only viable defensive move. A dk can do it, and use their shield (which boosts their healing, gdb anyone?) to regen 5% stamina gain two ult and 5% weapon damage per cast. heck, that grants the luxury of not having to roll all the time. Its not like the regen is 30% of max stamina, that would be op.

3. attacking from stealth gives 100% crit chance. "oh....100% crit in stealth you say? and I can spam a skill that puts me in stealth? 100% crit chance on my 3k weapon damage thats buffed with stealth? well....."

there is a difference between stealth and sneak. Sneak grants the crit, stealth doesn't unless you take that morph of shadow cloak. You still get the stealth passive, granted.

4. most of the NB attacks are checked by armor. 7/7 heavy armor barely gets you 22k armor. NB's surprise attack reduces your armor by 8k. thats without any enchants

Theres no real mitigation for their damage.

As for ults, sure this costs more,

but its a capped incoming damage and 100% armor pen.



But it is nice to have a Nightblade nerf thread. every other class has had one, good to see it pass around.

another thing people like to gloss over is that stealth attacks and crits are two different things, on a stealth attack with suprise attack i just hit for 15k, in combat i hit cloak and suprise attack i do around 5kdmg, this is on my v10 dw nb against a v7 vampire in greenshade yes if i wanted i could spm cloak and surpise attacks, but for maybe 5k a piece? totally not worth it.

Shunravi wrote: »

I just want to point out the obvious things before I retire for the night. (not arguing, just pointing out)...

I wish I could give you Reddit Gold for this post. It's gold worthy.