Housing vs Zone

I_killed_Vivec · May 2015

I'd prefer not to have to wait for the removal of VR and the full implementation of Justice - we know that won't happen for a long time.

They allegedly have a lot of ideas for DLC "in development", and it's been in development for a long time now. I imagine it's all there ready to be drip fed to us when ZoS think interest is flagging.

So the question is wrong!

We shouldn't have to choose. The new content should be on its way. Housing is something they should be working on too.

Though I'd rather see spellcrafting

Heromofo · May 2015

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BuggeX wrote: »

No Point for Spellcraft?

Well the data mine leaked abit of info about this but still no official word on it.:(

mtwiggz · May 2015

Zone - Roughly the size of craglorn, a few group contents, a couple raid content

Zones for sure.

Unless the housing system somehow quadruples my bank capacity. If not, I could take it or leave it. Would be an awesome feature, though I would rather more combat based content.

Gyudan · May 2015

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I think the housing system should be for subscribers only, with full and unlimited access based on in game resources.
A monetized system where players have to spend X crowns on each piece of furniture would be terrible.

Housing would definitely increase the incentive to keep a sub active.

P3ZZL3 · May 2015

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Actually, there would be no reason why you couldn;t have some form of individual ebay-esque type AH for the House Owners. Stand alone, away from the guild system. Restriction on the number of items you could sell, obviously, but it would allow the single players a chance to Sell which is fundamentally the argument almost everyone has about the present Guild based system. However, it would still allow you to join guilds, allowing for more items to be sold.

Agree with having a crafting station, although maybe you can pick just one of the options for your house. The others you would have to go to town for. This would emphasise a main "work type" for your core character i.e. I make Nirn wood bows and staffs, that's what I specialise in, therefore I'd have a woodworking bench.

I mean, I'm old right and I've invested I don't know how many hours into Minecraft over the years building some massive houses/bases/etc - all somewhat elaborate

MornaBaine · May 2015

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P3ZZL3 wrote: »

Agree with having a crafting station, although maybe you can pick just one of the options for your house. The others you would have to go to town for. This would emphasise a main "work type" for your core character i.e. I make Nirn wood bows and staffs, that's what I specialise in, therefore I'd have a woodworking bench.

I mean, I'm old right and I've invested I don't know how many hours into Minecraft over the years building some massive houses/bases/etc - all somewhat elaborate

I still spend hours playing The Sims 3. All I do is build houses, taverns, temples..all the stuff I want to see in ESO. MMO makers need to get hip to the fact that people are looking for a fully immersive experience. We don't JUST want to slay monsters, we want to INHABIT these amazing worlds they've created. I want the ability to build my house for each individual character and I want ALL the racial styles of architecture and furnishings available to me. I want to be able to bring as large a group as I would like into my house as well. I'd alos like to be able to give a "key" to other players that will allow them to enter my house as well even if I'm not online.

I also want GUILD CITIES. Yes I want a place where my entire guild can hang out WITHOUT being constantly trolled for being a bunch of "weirdo" roleplayers. In those cities I want a training arena where we can PvP against EACH OTHER. I want practice dummies that show actual damage being done!

As to crafting stations... I think houses ought to have cook fires because that just makes logical sense. But the other crafting stations should probably have some limitations in order to keep people active in the city hubs.

Davadin · May 2015

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Gyudan wrote: »

I think the housing system should be for subscribers only, with full and unlimited access based on in game resources.
A monetized system where players have to spend X crowns on each piece of furniture would be terrible.

Housing would definitely increase the incentive to keep a sub active.

no.

coz im enjoying B2P lol... monthly charges can either make or BREAK the game at this point. i would stick to my old suggestion: monetize partially. make most stuff available, but the best-est vanity stuff? store only.

mtwiggz wrote: »

Zones for sure.

Unless the housing system somehow quadruples my bank capacity. If not, I could take it or leave it. Would be an awesome feature, though I would rather more combat based content.

in LOTRO, small houses holds the same amount of stuff as bank. but u got stuff like trophy that fill up ur bank, techinically, those can go on the lawn

B
Bigger houses quadrupled it as u can have up to 3 chests and each chests holds same amount as bank (more or less? it's about 100 i think...)

in old SWG, u can BUILD ur own chests... sooo............

Davadin · May 2015

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btw, so far the 66% vs 33% result is awesome.

i'd be skeptical if it's yielding towards one side only (like, 90:10...), which kinda spell only ones interested are voting.

to be honest, for me it's just as insightful whichever got most votes, because my goal with this thread is to know what the community wants.... NOT asking ZOS for a feature

you got Heromofo for that....

AhPook_Is_Here · May 2015

Zone - Roughly the size of craglorn, a few group contents, a couple raid content

They haven't had any new trials, pvp or hard-mode dungeons out for what, 6 months now? If they don't announce something soon in that regard I'll be gone. As a side note I have never returned to any mmo I have ever left, I just play single player games or shooters till a new one comes out that interests me so my dollars can't be recaptured at a later date. I am likely not the only player with those tendencies.

Davadin · May 2015

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AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

They haven't had any new trials, pvp or hard-mode dungeons out for what, 6 months now? If they don't announce something soon in that regard I'll be gone. As a side note I have never returned to any mmo I have ever left, I just play single player games or shooters till a new one comes out that interests me so my dollars can't be recaptured at a later date. I am likely not the only player with those tendencies.

Witcher 3 is coming out, bro.

Awww yeah..........

AhPook_Is_Here · May 2015

Zone - Roughly the size of craglorn, a few group contents, a couple raid content

Davadin wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

They haven't had any new trials, pvp or hard-mode dungeons out for what, 6 months now? If they don't announce something soon in that regard I'll be gone. As a side note I have never returned to any mmo I have ever left, I just play single player games or shooters till a new one comes out that interests me so my dollars can't be recaptured at a later date. I am likely not the only player with those tendencies.

Witcher 3 is coming out, bro.

Awww yeah..........

And Steam Summer Sale! Still have a backlog of 2 or 3 Assassin's Creed titles to play, 2 Bioshock titles, some Civ beyond earth achievements to get done, Elite: Dangerous, GTA5 and weird stuff like Deux Ex: Human Revolution that i guess i picked up last year and forgot about.

BuggeX · May 2015

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

They haven't had any new trials, pvp or hard-mode dungeons out for what, 6 months now? If they don't announce something soon in that regard I'll be gone. As a side note I have never returned to any mmo I have ever left, I just play single player games or shooters till a new one comes out that interests me so my dollars can't be recaptured at a later date. I am likely not the only player with those tendencies.

Witcher 3 is coming out, bro.

Awww yeah..........

And Steam Summer Sale! Still have a backlog of 2 or 3 Assassin's Creed titles to play, 2 Bioshock titles, some Civ beyond earth achievements to get done, Elite: Dangerous, GTA5 and weird stuff like Deux Ex: Human Revolution that i guess i picked up last year and forgot about.

Well yea Gaben and his skill to take your Money............

we should implement this skill in teso,

Davadin · May 2015

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AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

They haven't had any new trials, pvp or hard-mode dungeons out for what, 6 months now? If they don't announce something soon in that regard I'll be gone. As a side note I have never returned to any mmo I have ever left, I just play single player games or shooters till a new one comes out that interests me so my dollars can't be recaptured at a later date. I am likely not the only player with those tendencies.

Witcher 3 is coming out, bro.

Awww yeah..........

And Steam Summer Sale! Still have a backlog of 2 or 3 Assassin's Creed titles to play, 2 Bioshock titles, some Civ beyond earth achievements to get done, Elite: Dangerous, GTA5 and weird stuff like Deux Ex: Human Revolution that i guess i picked up last year and forgot about.

I couldn't even finish Far Cry 3 and AC:5 - Unity.

Lovin FC3 but Unity is a bit........... dissapointed thanks to the glorious game called AC:4....

And OOH MY GOOOOOOOD Elite: Dangerous I sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo wanted to play it but I just don't have the time and budget anymore. DAMN I want that one.

Always been "meh" with GTA. My last fav is GTA3 lol...

AhPook_Is_Here · May 2015

Zone - Roughly the size of craglorn, a few group contents, a couple raid content

BuggeX wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

They haven't had any new trials, pvp or hard-mode dungeons out for what, 6 months now? If they don't announce something soon in that regard I'll be gone. As a side note I have never returned to any mmo I have ever left, I just play single player games or shooters till a new one comes out that interests me so my dollars can't be recaptured at a later date. I am likely not the only player with those tendencies.

Witcher 3 is coming out, bro.

Awww yeah..........

And Steam Summer Sale! Still have a backlog of 2 or 3 Assassin's Creed titles to play, 2 Bioshock titles, some Civ beyond earth achievements to get done, Elite: Dangerous, GTA5 and weird stuff like Deux Ex: Human Revolution that i guess i picked up last year and forgot about.

Well yea Gaben and his skill to take your Money............

we should implement this skill in teso,

Never underestimate the power of the Schwartz.

Heromofo · May 2015

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Davadin wrote: »

btw, so far the 66% vs 33% result is awesome.

i'd be skeptical if it's yielding towards one side only (like, 90:10...), which kinda spell only ones interested are voting.

to be honest, for me it's just as insightful whichever got most votes, because my goal with this thread is to know what the community wants.... NOT asking ZOS for a feature

you got Heromofo for that....

I shall fight for the right!......to have player housing and other features lol.

IrishGirlGamer · May 2015

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Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

A new implementation of DAOC's housing, just how we got a new implementation of DAOC's New Frontiers that became Cyrodiil .

I was curious, so I went and found DAOC's housing manual online. This seems actually quite doable in this game. I'm curious about "guild houses" in DAOC. Were they bigger than regular houses? Did they give additional features? How would it be different than the strongholds in Cyrodiil?

Based on what I've seen lately of Zenimax, I believe housing would be their preferred option since they could easily stick it behind a money wall in the Crown Store and charge players real dollars for it. In fact, I can imagine no scenario where Zenimax would make housing available and NOT ask for real dollars for it. No, they so wouldn't do that.

On the other hand, I would prefer it if the housing wasn't just dumped into a single zone on the map like one huge, hideously colorful but ultimately ugly, cartoon slum. It would be nice if the claims were distributed around the map, particularly around cities, so the cities would be realistically larger and all the groups in the city would then flow to houses naturally. Architectural styles could then be limited to that zone's style and so on. The number of houses could be limited per zone, of course.

retyler3_ESO · May 2015

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Heromofo wrote: »

Just to show a few ways mmos had housing

SWG very very old mmo but still had it

Swtor

Even wow has it now

LOTRO

Age Of Conan

I'm sorry, but WoW does not have player housing, and even Blizzard does not define the garrisons as player housing.

Jeremy · May 2015

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Games that are meant to be played long-term benefit a lot through systems like player housing because it enables the player to personalize and customize their experience.

New zones are always welcomed. But they just don't offer the longevity that a housing system would: which is likely to be something the player engages for the game's entire lifespan.

bertenburnyb16_ESO · May 2015

Zone - Roughly the size of craglorn, a few group contents, a couple raid content

whats the use of housing when there isnt sh*t to do

wraith808 · May 2015

Heromofo wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Yes, AoC. Almost forgot. I enjoyed that too.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Polls they lack randomness of participation from the population do not offer an accurate view of the community.

i know theoritically ZOS can come up with a thousand other options, and community can voice out a million more.........

........but hey, it's my scenario. my poll. my options. pick one or feel free to ignore. nothing personal, bro.

It has nothing to do with the options you have to choose from or anything Zos can come up with. The poll is designed to be unscientific and merely draw from those who happen to see it and choose to participate. Does not even come close to reflecting the population nor can it. The results are meaningless.

Has nothing to do with you.

any survey in an essence is the same. but they are one of the most reliable platform to gauge. take ratings or feedback or forums, for examples. Same thing: majority only people who aren't happy will participate, just one scenario. no one solution can reflect the population, not even national voting LOL.... but it's the closest we can get for this game. Except ZOS got some marketing/resource to spare, pop-up a question "WHAT would you like to see?" blog post in the launcher or something.... MAYBE that's a better more reliable analytics.

But to say a poll in the forum is meaningless?

I can't say I agree to that.

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

I would rather see a full expansion, but between those two? Housing.

personally i would like to see barber shop. then social events, like festivals. or dynamic events, like ones in Tera (or was it Rift....?).

after that, i want to see more graphic overhaul. animations, environment, more active (and consistent!) weather system, trees moving blown by the wind kinda stuff... horses to have more natural movements (idle and galloping/trotting), better AA and AF options for the master race. DX12 water would be crazy too.

then i want further combat overhaul. There's a step in the right direction there with 1.6 where it feels more "impact". but there's still not enough active-animation or cancelled-animation for each hitpoint event. Things still kinda "flows through".... making it no more than skill rotation/queuing. I want more like Witcher/Demon Soul/Age of Conan combat where positioning and timing dynamically affects your oponent's rotation.

THEN....... then...... I would love to see housing.

(and after that, more zones)

but yeah, this thread is just between those 2.

There is absolutely zero reliability from the type of survey that can be created in this site. No randomness, no statistical soundness. They are absolutely,'without question, meaningless.

Edit: it is wrong for me to say they are meaningless. They do have an extremely small amount of meaning I that they do represent the small portion of people who happened to see this thread, take the time to read it and also take the time to reply. Statistically it is unsound and without merit. A national poll to predict how the votes will fall is often (most of the time) a good predictor because it is done with a scientific method unlock the polls on this site. Much if your argument tries to use slight of hand to try to justify these polls.

I'm OK with small amount of meaning

Right, @ZOS_GinaBruno ?

Dont worry about him as he is a sour puss

Nah... he's just pointing out what I've been saying (see my .sig) but get tired of. Glad to see someone else point it out, @Giles.floydub17_ESO!

But they do exist for a reason (fun, conversation starter) and if taken in that light, it really doesn't matter. It's just the ones where people keep referring to them as empirical that get on my nerves.

retyler3_ESO · May 2015

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Davadin wrote: »

glak wrote: »

From what I've seen in the housing threads, housing is the content that keeps on giving. It will easily pay for itself in crowns. And real estate is not a problem if using small, infinite planes of Oblivion.

imagine how much money they can rake in if they put some cosmetic housing items in the store.

you can purchase/loot/craft your own sofa... BUT LEATHER SOFA? crown-only.

ceiling lightings with different motif? craft them! BUT X-LARGE CRYSTAL CHANDELIER? crown-only.

10 different dyes for wall paints in-game by achievements? no problem. BUT SPECIAL SPARKLES AND METALLIC PAINTS? crown-only.

they'll be swimming in crowns within the first month of its release....

Or better yet ... blueprints! You can craft all your house items, except for trophies, but you have to get blueprints to make the item you want whether it be buying from a merchant, Auction Vendor, dropped from a NPC (stealing or looting), or purchased from the Crown Store.

Jeremy · May 2015

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bertenburnyb16_ESO wrote: »

whats the use of housing when there isnt sh*t to do

Because housing could give you sh#t to do: that is if you are into customizing cool abodes for your character.

It could also bring relevance to a lot of the older content by providing areas for the character to acquire trophies or crafting materials to make cool furniture.

So if done right: i would argue housing could bring a lot more content to this game than a new zone would.

Heromofo · May 2015

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wraith808 wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Yes, AoC. Almost forgot. I enjoyed that too.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Polls they lack randomness of participation from the population do not offer an accurate view of the community.

i know theoritically ZOS can come up with a thousand other options, and community can voice out a million more.........

........but hey, it's my scenario. my poll. my options. pick one or feel free to ignore. nothing personal, bro.

It has nothing to do with the options you have to choose from or anything Zos can come up with. The poll is designed to be unscientific and merely draw from those who happen to see it and choose to participate. Does not even come close to reflecting the population nor can it. The results are meaningless.

Has nothing to do with you.

any survey in an essence is the same. but they are one of the most reliable platform to gauge. take ratings or feedback or forums, for examples. Same thing: majority only people who aren't happy will participate, just one scenario. no one solution can reflect the population, not even national voting LOL.... but it's the closest we can get for this game. Except ZOS got some marketing/resource to spare, pop-up a question "WHAT would you like to see?" blog post in the launcher or something.... MAYBE that's a better more reliable analytics.

But to say a poll in the forum is meaningless?

I can't say I agree to that.

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

I would rather see a full expansion, but between those two? Housing.

personally i would like to see barber shop. then social events, like festivals. or dynamic events, like ones in Tera (or was it Rift....?).

after that, i want to see more graphic overhaul. animations, environment, more active (and consistent!) weather system, trees moving blown by the wind kinda stuff... horses to have more natural movements (idle and galloping/trotting), better AA and AF options for the master race. DX12 water would be crazy too.

then i want further combat overhaul. There's a step in the right direction there with 1.6 where it feels more "impact". but there's still not enough active-animation or cancelled-animation for each hitpoint event. Things still kinda "flows through".... making it no more than skill rotation/queuing. I want more like Witcher/Demon Soul/Age of Conan combat where positioning and timing dynamically affects your oponent's rotation.

THEN....... then...... I would love to see housing.

(and after that, more zones)

but yeah, this thread is just between those 2.

There is absolutely zero reliability from the type of survey that can be created in this site. No randomness, no statistical soundness. They are absolutely,'without question, meaningless.

Edit: it is wrong for me to say they are meaningless. They do have an extremely small amount of meaning I that they do represent the small portion of people who happened to see this thread, take the time to read it and also take the time to reply. Statistically it is unsound and without merit. A national poll to predict how the votes will fall is often (most of the time) a good predictor because it is done with a scientific method unlock the polls on this site. Much if your argument tries to use slight of hand to try to justify these polls.

I'm OK with small amount of meaning

Right, @ZOS_GinaBruno ?

Dont worry about him as he is a sour puss

Nah... he's just pointing out what I've been saying (see my .sig) but get tired of. Glad to see someone else point it out, @Giles.floydub17_ESO!

But they do exist for a reason (fun, conversation starter) and if taken in that light, it really doesn't matter. It's just the ones where people keep referring to them as empirical that get on my nerves.

I don't take the forums seriously and you should not as well lol.
It is just a good time killer at work as i have 12 hours a night to kill.
Half the time i am making jokes the other half i am making my series mainly to keep my self sane at work.

PBpsy · May 2015

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More Vet Dungeons and trials.

I would have liked housing if this was still a sub based game. The way it is now I do not see housing to be anything but a crappy way to make people use the crown store.

deleted221205-002626 · May 2015

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housing system but I'm not at all interested in any instanced housing though.. Either real housing placed in the world like UO or I have no use for it. its the fact that it would be limited that makes it valuable and very desireable. Anything that everyone has is worthless.

Davadin · May 2015

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michaelpatterson wrote: »

housing system but I'm not at all interested in any instanced housing though.. Either real housing placed in the world like UO or I have no use for it. its the fact that it would be limited that makes it valuable and very desireable. Anything that everyone has is worthless.

I kinda get that, but the problem is ESO's world is kinda "fixed" already. Or, "full" rather.

If you make something non-instanced it will become soooo limited that only the top top 1% of the player has access to it.

Then the 99% will explodes in the forum....

I'd rather not have that.

Heromofo · May 2015

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Davadin wrote: »

michaelpatterson wrote: »

housing system but I'm not at all interested in any instanced housing though.. Either real housing placed in the world like UO or I have no use for it. its the fact that it would be limited that makes it valuable and very desireable. Anything that everyone has is worthless.

I kinda get that, but the problem is ESO's world is kinda "fixed" already. Or, "full" rather.

If you make something non-instanced it will become soooo limited that only the top top 1% of the player has access to it.

Then the 99% will explodes in the forum....

I'd rather not have that.

I would compare it to the guild auction house locations atm only certain guilds can afford them and rest are left with try again in a week.

Davadin · May 2015

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Heromofo wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

michaelpatterson wrote: »

housing system but I'm not at all interested in any instanced housing though.. Either real housing placed in the world like UO or I have no use for it. its the fact that it would be limited that makes it valuable and very desireable. Anything that everyone has is worthless.

I kinda get that, but the problem is ESO's world is kinda "fixed" already. Or, "full" rather.

If you make something non-instanced it will become soooo limited that only the top top 1% of the player has access to it.

Then the 99% will explodes in the forum....

I'd rather not have that.

I would compare it to the guild auction house locations atm only certain guilds can afford them and rest are left with try again in a week.

EXACTLY...

I dunno how they're gonna manage limited space, but if it's anywhere near how Guild Trader works, it'll be MILLIONS of gold before one can get a house.

Oh that's some nightmarish stuff right there.

Gidorick · May 2015

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Davadin wrote: »

Heromofo wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

michaelpatterson wrote: »

housing system but I'm not at all interested in any instanced housing though.. Either real housing placed in the world like UO or I have no use for it. its the fact that it would be limited that makes it valuable and very desireable. Anything that everyone has is worthless.

I kinda get that, but the problem is ESO's world is kinda "fixed" already. Or, "full" rather.

If you make something non-instanced it will become soooo limited that only the top top 1% of the player has access to it.

Then the 99% will explodes in the forum....

I'd rather not have that.

I would compare it to the guild auction house locations atm only certain guilds can afford them and rest are left with try again in a week.

EXACTLY...

I dunno how they're gonna manage limited space, but if it's anywhere near how Guild Trader works, it'll be MILLIONS of gold before one can get a house.

Oh that's some nightmarish stuff right there.

It will be crown locked not gold locked. Gold in this game is pretty much to repair your stuff. That's it.

NovaMarx · May 2015

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As long as they add a multitude of customization options, I would prefer housing. Like if they gave housing its own skill line, where you can craft different items/furniture depending on your skills and what motifs you have. (And some new achievements, too!)

I spent so much time with housing in Skyrim (and also Oblivion, even though the options were limited), so it is definitely something I am missing from my experience in ESO.