Housing vs Zone

Davadin · May 2015

Since it's asked in another forum, it'll be interesting to see.

So, assuming,
1. Imperial City is out.
2. Full justice system/enforcer is out.
3. VR ranks removed.

Next up, you get to pick ONLY ONE FOR THE WHOLE YEAR...... (meaning, you pick one, the other will have to wait 12 whole months afterward for release), which one would you chose?

Heromofo · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

New zones they get old quickly but housing hell i can play with that for 600 plus hours like i did on skyrim.:D

Good thread Dav

Davadin · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

Heromofo wrote: »

New zones they get old quickly but housing hell i can play with that for 600 plus hours like i did on skyrim.:D

Good thread Dav

i wish there's a counter for how long i spent on housing (and cities!) on pre-NGE SWG....

idk · May 2015

Zone - Roughly the size of craglorn, a few group contents, a couple raid content

Polls they lack randomness of participation from the population do not offer an accurate view of the community.

Zorrashi · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

Nothing gets me more personally invested than a robust housing system. Zones seem more like one and done.

Davadin · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Polls they lack randomness of participation from the population do not offer an accurate view of the community.

i know theoritically ZOS can come up with a thousand other options, and community can voice out a million more.........

........but hey, it's my scenario. my poll. my options. pick one or feel free to ignore. nothing personal, bro.

Attorneyatlawl · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

A new implementation of DAOC's housing, just how we got a new implementation of DAOC's New Frontiers that became Cyrodiil

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Heromofo · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

Davadin wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Polls they lack randomness of participation from the population do not offer an accurate view of the community.

i know theoritically ZOS can come up with a thousand other options, and community can voice out a million more.........

........but hey, it's my scenario. my poll. my options. pick one or feel free to ignore. nothing personal, bro.

This

Lenikus · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

I would prefer Zones, but then again, why bother if in the end of a week we would only have a new grind spot wich people will complain about being P2W since it WILL be a DLC available only to subscribed players or the crown store..

Houses would be awesome no matter what ^^

UrQuan · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

As I've said in other threads, my absolute favorite DLC for Skyrim was Hearthfire, so obviously I'm going to pick housing... In all honesty, while I really want to see more zones of content, a zone will only keep me interested as long as it takes for me to complete that zone (although I do have a lot of alts that I'd eventually go through the zone with). If it's implemented right, housing has the potential to keep me interested indefinitely.

idk · May 2015

Zone - Roughly the size of craglorn, a few group contents, a couple raid content

Davadin wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Polls they lack randomness of participation from the population do not offer an accurate view of the community.

i know theoritically ZOS can come up with a thousand other options, and community can voice out a million more.........

........but hey, it's my scenario. my poll. my options. pick one or feel free to ignore. nothing personal, bro.

It has nothing to do with the options you have to choose from or anything Zos can come up with. The poll is designed to be unscientific and merely draw from those who happen to see it and choose to participate. Does not even come close to reflecting the population nor can it. The results are meaningless.

Has nothing to do with you.

Heromofo · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

Just to show a few ways mmos had housing

SWG very very old mmo but still had it

Swtor

Even wow has it now

LOTRO

Age Of Conan

BBSooner · May 2015

Zone - Roughly the size of craglorn, a few group contents, a couple raid content

As awesome as housing would be, it being solo content I would imagine I would blow through the customization process pretty quickly.

A large zone with an interesting questline, fun delves, dungeons, and trials is something that could be spread out over time. I hope they eventually attempt to mimic the radiant questing system from Skyrim. Even though it wasn't perfect and could be predictable, having a new zone that created a randomly generated quest, complete with a randomly generated dungeon theme, template, cave structure, enemy types, bosses, purpose, and reward that we could complete at our leisure would be something I'd get a lot of use from. On the other hand, having a house with a trophy and crafted furniture system would be great ... I just don't know if it's something I'd necessarrily "do" for a long period of time.

c.p.garrett1993_ESO · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

I would rather see a full expansion, but between those two? Housing.

Davadin · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

Yes, AoC. Almost forgot. I enjoyed that too.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Polls they lack randomness of participation from the population do not offer an accurate view of the community.

i know theoritically ZOS can come up with a thousand other options, and community can voice out a million more.........

........but hey, it's my scenario. my poll. my options. pick one or feel free to ignore. nothing personal, bro.

It has nothing to do with the options you have to choose from or anything Zos can come up with. The poll is designed to be unscientific and merely draw from those who happen to see it and choose to participate. Does not even come close to reflecting the population nor can it. The results are meaningless.

Has nothing to do with you.

any survey in an essence is the same. but they are one of the most reliable platform to gauge. take ratings or feedback or forums, for examples. Same thing: majority only people who aren't happy will participate, just one scenario. no one solution can reflect the population, not even national voting LOL.... but it's the closest we can get for this game. Except ZOS got some marketing/resource to spare, pop-up a question "WHAT would you like to see?" blog post in the launcher or something.... MAYBE that's a better more reliable analytics.

But to say a poll in the forum is meaningless?

I can't say I agree to that.

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

I would rather see a full expansion, but between those two? Housing.

personally i would like to see barber shop. then social events, like festivals. or dynamic events, like ones in Tera (or was it Rift....?).

after that, i want to see more graphic overhaul. animations, environment, more active (and consistent!) weather system, trees moving blown by the wind kinda stuff... horses to have more natural movements (idle and galloping/trotting), better AA and AF options for the master race. DX12 water would be crazy too.

then i want further combat overhaul. There's a step in the right direction there with 1.6 where it feels more "impact". but there's still not enough active-animation or cancelled-animation for each hitpoint event. Things still kinda "flows through".... making it no more than skill rotation/queuing. I want more like Witcher/Demon Soul/Age of Conan combat where positioning and timing dynamically affects your oponent's rotation.

THEN....... then...... I would love to see housing.

(and after that, more zones)

but yeah, this thread is just between those 2.

Heromofo · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

(Pulled from my thread to show how important player housing is in the ESO)

Player Housing has always been a major part in the elder scroll series as to show.

Skyrim Housing:
A house is available for purchase within many of the larger cities in Skyrim; however, permission must be obtained from the city's Jarl before their purchase. There are also a number of other properties throughout Skyrim that can be used as a home.
As well as the DLC Hearthfire

Oblivion housing:
The player can own one house in each of the major cities, (except Kvatch), for a total of eight houses. Player-bought houses allow room to store equipment and collectables, to sleep, and to generally relax after adventuring through Cyrodiil.

Each house has upgrades, (known as "furnishings"), that can be purchased from a local merchant. These upgrades provide furniture, chests, and other things to finish out the rooms of the house.

Morrowind housing:
Getting a house is easy or hard, if you want a legal obtained house do all of caucis cosades's quests and you will get his house or do enough quests for a great house and you will get to make your own manor or you could find a house and kill the owner.

Dagger fall houses:
Daggerfall supported character-owned houses. These structures permitted one to rest uninterrupted from the town guards, stockpile loot, and otherwise serve as a status symbol. Houses are purchased from banks.

nastuug · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

@Heromofo I want a new class added to go with the housing update: Realtor. Quickly, make it happen.

Heromofo · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

nastuug wrote: »

@Heromofo I want a new class added to go with the housing update: Realtor. Quickly, make it happen.

Ahaha i

your sense of humor Nas

Im kind of hoping to see player housing come in by the end of the year.

wishful thinking

glak · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

From what I've seen in the housing threads, housing is the content that keeps on giving. It will easily pay for itself in crowns. And real estate is not a problem if using small, infinite planes of Oblivion.

Davadin · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

glak wrote: »

From what I've seen in the housing threads, housing is the content that keeps on giving. It will easily pay for itself in crowns. And real estate is not a problem if using small, infinite planes of Oblivion.

imagine how much money they can rake in if they put some cosmetic housing items in the store.

you can purchase/loot/craft your own sofa... BUT LEATHER SOFA? crown-only.

ceiling lightings with different motif? craft them! BUT X-LARGE CRYSTAL CHANDELIER? crown-only.

10 different dyes for wall paints in-game by achievements? no problem. BUT SPECIAL SPARKLES AND METALLIC PAINTS? crown-only.

they'll be swimming in crowns within the first month of its release....

Gidorick · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

Crafting stations should NOT be included in housing.

BBSooner · May 2015

Zone - Roughly the size of craglorn, a few group contents, a couple raid content

Gidorick wrote: »

Crafting stations should NOT be included in housing.

Even if they were I don't think they'd be used often for actual crafting in the case of blacksmithing, woodworking, and tailoring, more-so a deconstruction place. They wouldn't be able to take advantage of crafted set bonus'.

Enchanting, cooking, and alchemy would probably be done a lot in-house if they were added, though I'm a fan of making special locations in the world that bestow benefits to those crafts similar to blacksmithing, woodworking, and tailoring

Davadin · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

Gidorick wrote: »

Crafting stations should NOT be included in housing.

Why not? I want it. Not set-specific stations of course, but something to decons ur crap? definitely!

the only possible downside is that major hubs will become more empty..... but if housing is really that successful, people will do others than crafting inside housing anyway.......

UrQuan · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

BBSooner wrote: »

I hope they eventually attempt to mimic the radiant questing system from Skyrim. Even though it wasn't perfect and could be predictable, having a new zone that created a randomly generated quest, complete with a randomly generated dungeon theme, template, cave structure, enemy types, bosses, purpose, and reward that we could complete at our leisure would be something I'd get a lot of use from.

I'd love it if they introduced something like this as some form of daily that you could do which scaled to your level. I wouldn't love it as much as I'd love housing, but still

BBSooner · May 2015

Zone - Roughly the size of craglorn, a few group contents, a couple raid content

Davadin wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Crafting stations should NOT be included in housing.

the only possible downside is that major hubs will become more empty..... but if housing is really that successful, people will do others than crafting inside housing anyway.......

Could potentially be an issue. It would depend on how difficult it would be to get to your house from the regular world. This issue wouldn't arise if it was more convenient to hit crafting stations/vendors in town than it would be to head to your house, and then back to where you were. That would be my ideal situation: Less convenient than using town resources while you're questing, but still available at the house if you're already there.

MrGhosty · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

My dream housing situation:

You buy a strange trinket from the wandering merchants, when used it teleports you into a pocket realm of oblivion. Your quest giver is the daedric steward of this realm and he sets you off on a quest to kill the daedric demi god that owns the realm. (similar to the bad man hollows or whatever that DC quest/public dungeon was in Glenumbra) After you complete the questline (something like the size of Kenarthis roost in number of quests and time it takes to complete) The daedric steward becomes your steward and your quest reward for finishing this mini zone is that you get to choose what type of zone this place will mimic.

You now have your own pocket realm of oblivion that can have a house and other facilities placed on it and this is where the real work begins. To build your house will require X amount of gold and the materials to craft it, just like hearthstone did. This should be a process that takes awhile to complete. The pocket realm would have quite a bit to explore, but the actual building space would be divided up into six lots. A normal house would take one lot or you could go with a mansion that takes two. Once your house is completed you can then choose from a list of other amenities like crafting station (like on bleak rock, has all stations and a bank) practice dummies, stable (could show off multiple mounts at once and allow you to train your riding skill each day) etc. The idea with the lots is to make it possible to have a great house setup, but force players to choose and not be able to have one of everything that would be cool.

The zone could also have node spawns for ore, wood, etc but their respawn rates should only be every 24 hours or something similar so people still need to go out and harvest for their bulk in the world. Just like hearthfire, it could also spawn random enemies from time to time that you have to fend off.

For the sake of guilds you could also provide the option to make your home plot the guild house instead and it would allow members of your guild who have been given permission in guild perms to visit and use the facilities.

One of the biggest issues I have with ESO is that we are essentially homeless, the main faction cities don't really feel like hubs and most zone cities get abandoned as soon as you move on to the next zone. Having your own quiet place to handle the admin would be great. The housing would need to have access to guild and personal banks, maybe a vault that can't be accessed outside of the realm and everything else need for the day to day. This could also be the perfect place to post the daily quest boards for crafting writs and maybe eventually add in randomly generated quests.

Having all you need for your day to day activities in one place would be awesome, and having to gather the materials and gold to craft these things would keep me entertained much more than a new zone would. This also provides a perfect monetization avenue for ZOS as they could make furniture and decorations for sale in the crown store. I would also expect many options to be craftable by master crafters, I take no issue with ZOS adding the flashier options in the crown store. That gives them plenty to charge for without going down the slippery slope of P2W like so many complain they are.

Heromofo · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

@MrGhosty wrote: »

My dream housing situation:

You buy a strange trinket from the wandering merchants, when used it teleports you into a pocket realm of oblivion. Your quest giver is the daedric steward of this realm and he sets you off on a quest to kill the daedric demi god that owns the realm. (similar to the bad man hollows or whatever that DC quest/public dungeon was in Glenumbra) After you complete the questline (something like the size of Kenarthis roost in number of quests and time it takes to complete) The daedric steward becomes your steward and your quest reward for finishing this mini zone is that you get to choose what type of zone this place will mimic.

You now have your own pocket realm of oblivion that can have a house and other facilities placed on it and this is where the real work begins. To build your house will require X amount of gold and the materials to craft it, just like hearthstone did. This should be a process that takes awhile to complete. The pocket realm would have quite a bit to explore, but the actual building space would be divided up into six lots. A normal house would take one lot or you could go with a mansion that takes two. Once your house is completed you can then choose from a list of other amenities like crafting station (like on bleak rock, has all stations and a bank) practice dummies, stable (could show off multiple mounts at once and allow you to train your riding skill each day) etc. The idea with the lots is to make it possible to have a great house setup, but force players to choose and not be able to have one of everything that would be cool.

The zone could also have node spawns for ore, wood, etc but their respawn rates should only be every 24 hours or something similar so people still need to go out and harvest for their bulk in the world. Just like hearthfire, it could also spawn random enemies from time to time that you have to fend off.

For the sake of guilds you could also provide the option to make your home plot the guild house instead and it would allow members of your guild who have been given permission in guild perms to visit and use the facilities.

One of the biggest issues I have with ESO is that we are essentially homeless, the main faction cities don't really feel like hubs and most zone cities get abandoned as soon as you move on to the next zone. Having your own quiet place to handle the admin would be great. The housing would need to have access to guild and personal banks, maybe a vault that can't be accessed outside of the realm and everything else need for the day to day. This could also be the perfect place to post the daily quest boards for crafting writs and maybe eventually add in randomly generated quests.

Having all you need for your day to day activities in one place would be awesome, and having to gather the materials and gold to craft these things would keep me entertained much more than a new zone would. This also provides a perfect monetization avenue for ZOS as they could make furniture and decorations for sale in the crown store. I would also expect many options to be craftable by master crafters, I take no issue with ZOS adding the flashier options in the crown store. That gives them plenty to charge for without going down the slippery slope of P2W like so many complain they are.

You give this idea it's own thread with a poll bloody brilliant idea mate well done.

idk · May 2015

Zone - Roughly the size of craglorn, a few group contents, a couple raid content

Davadin wrote: »

Yes, AoC. Almost forgot. I enjoyed that too.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Polls they lack randomness of participation from the population do not offer an accurate view of the community.

i know theoritically ZOS can come up with a thousand other options, and community can voice out a million more.........

........but hey, it's my scenario. my poll. my options. pick one or feel free to ignore. nothing personal, bro.

It has nothing to do with the options you have to choose from or anything Zos can come up with. The poll is designed to be unscientific and merely draw from those who happen to see it and choose to participate. Does not even come close to reflecting the population nor can it. The results are meaningless.

Has nothing to do with you.

any survey in an essence is the same. but they are one of the most reliable platform to gauge. take ratings or feedback or forums, for examples. Same thing: majority only people who aren't happy will participate, just one scenario. no one solution can reflect the population, not even national voting LOL.... but it's the closest we can get for this game. Except ZOS got some marketing/resource to spare, pop-up a question "WHAT would you like to see?" blog post in the launcher or something.... MAYBE that's a better more reliable analytics.

But to say a poll in the forum is meaningless?

I can't say I agree to that.

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

I would rather see a full expansion, but between those two? Housing.

personally i would like to see barber shop. then social events, like festivals. or dynamic events, like ones in Tera (or was it Rift....?).

after that, i want to see more graphic overhaul. animations, environment, more active (and consistent!) weather system, trees moving blown by the wind kinda stuff... horses to have more natural movements (idle and galloping/trotting), better AA and AF options for the master race. DX12 water would be crazy too.

then i want further combat overhaul. There's a step in the right direction there with 1.6 where it feels more "impact". but there's still not enough active-animation or cancelled-animation for each hitpoint event. Things still kinda "flows through".... making it no more than skill rotation/queuing. I want more like Witcher/Demon Soul/Age of Conan combat where positioning and timing dynamically affects your oponent's rotation.

THEN....... then...... I would love to see housing.

(and after that, more zones)

but yeah, this thread is just between those 2.

There is absolutely zero reliability from the type of survey that can be created in this site. No randomness, no statistical soundness. They are absolutely,'without question, meaningless.

Edit: it is wrong for me to say they are meaningless. They do have an extremely small amount of meaning I that they do represent the small portion of people who happened to see this thread, take the time to read it and also take the time to reply. Statistically it is unsound and without merit. A national poll to predict how the votes will fall is often (most of the time) a good predictor because it is done with a scientific method unlock the polls on this site. Much if your argument tries to use slight of hand to try to justify these polls.

Davadin · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Yes, AoC. Almost forgot. I enjoyed that too.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Polls they lack randomness of participation from the population do not offer an accurate view of the community.

i know theoritically ZOS can come up with a thousand other options, and community can voice out a million more.........

........but hey, it's my scenario. my poll. my options. pick one or feel free to ignore. nothing personal, bro.

It has nothing to do with the options you have to choose from or anything Zos can come up with. The poll is designed to be unscientific and merely draw from those who happen to see it and choose to participate. Does not even come close to reflecting the population nor can it. The results are meaningless.

Has nothing to do with you.

any survey in an essence is the same. but they are one of the most reliable platform to gauge. take ratings or feedback or forums, for examples. Same thing: majority only people who aren't happy will participate, just one scenario. no one solution can reflect the population, not even national voting LOL.... but it's the closest we can get for this game. Except ZOS got some marketing/resource to spare, pop-up a question "WHAT would you like to see?" blog post in the launcher or something.... MAYBE that's a better more reliable analytics.

But to say a poll in the forum is meaningless?

I can't say I agree to that.

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

I would rather see a full expansion, but between those two? Housing.

personally i would like to see barber shop. then social events, like festivals. or dynamic events, like ones in Tera (or was it Rift....?).

after that, i want to see more graphic overhaul. animations, environment, more active (and consistent!) weather system, trees moving blown by the wind kinda stuff... horses to have more natural movements (idle and galloping/trotting), better AA and AF options for the master race. DX12 water would be crazy too.

then i want further combat overhaul. There's a step in the right direction there with 1.6 where it feels more "impact". but there's still not enough active-animation or cancelled-animation for each hitpoint event. Things still kinda "flows through".... making it no more than skill rotation/queuing. I want more like Witcher/Demon Soul/Age of Conan combat where positioning and timing dynamically affects your oponent's rotation.

THEN....... then...... I would love to see housing.

(and after that, more zones)

but yeah, this thread is just between those 2.

There is absolutely zero reliability from the type of survey that can be created in this site. No randomness, no statistical soundness. They are absolutely,'without question, meaningless.

Edit: it is wrong for me to say they are meaningless. They do have an extremely small amount of meaning I that they do represent the small portion of people who happened to see this thread, take the time to read it and also take the time to reply. Statistically it is unsound and without merit. A national poll to predict how the votes will fall is often (most of the time) a good predictor because it is done with a scientific method unlock the polls on this site. Much if your argument tries to use slight of hand to try to justify these polls.

I'm OK with small amount of meaning

Right, @ZOS_GinaBruno ?

Heromofo · May 2015

Housing System - Complete with residential, craft stations, expanded customizations

Davadin wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Yes, AoC. Almost forgot. I enjoyed that too.

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Polls they lack randomness of participation from the population do not offer an accurate view of the community.

i know theoritically ZOS can come up with a thousand other options, and community can voice out a million more.........

........but hey, it's my scenario. my poll. my options. pick one or feel free to ignore. nothing personal, bro.

It has nothing to do with the options you have to choose from or anything Zos can come up with. The poll is designed to be unscientific and merely draw from those who happen to see it and choose to participate. Does not even come close to reflecting the population nor can it. The results are meaningless.

Has nothing to do with you.

any survey in an essence is the same. but they are one of the most reliable platform to gauge. take ratings or feedback or forums, for examples. Same thing: majority only people who aren't happy will participate, just one scenario. no one solution can reflect the population, not even national voting LOL.... but it's the closest we can get for this game. Except ZOS got some marketing/resource to spare, pop-up a question "WHAT would you like to see?" blog post in the launcher or something.... MAYBE that's a better more reliable analytics.

But to say a poll in the forum is meaningless?

I can't say I agree to that.

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

I would rather see a full expansion, but between those two? Housing.

personally i would like to see barber shop. then social events, like festivals. or dynamic events, like ones in Tera (or was it Rift....?).

after that, i want to see more graphic overhaul. animations, environment, more active (and consistent!) weather system, trees moving blown by the wind kinda stuff... horses to have more natural movements (idle and galloping/trotting), better AA and AF options for the master race. DX12 water would be crazy too.

then i want further combat overhaul. There's a step in the right direction there with 1.6 where it feels more "impact". but there's still not enough active-animation or cancelled-animation for each hitpoint event. Things still kinda "flows through".... making it no more than skill rotation/queuing. I want more like Witcher/Demon Soul/Age of Conan combat where positioning and timing dynamically affects your oponent's rotation.

THEN....... then...... I would love to see housing.

(and after that, more zones)

but yeah, this thread is just between those 2.

There is absolutely zero reliability from the type of survey that can be created in this site. No randomness, no statistical soundness. They are absolutely,'without question, meaningless.

Edit: it is wrong for me to say they are meaningless. They do have an extremely small amount of meaning I that they do represent the small portion of people who happened to see this thread, take the time to read it and also take the time to reply. Statistically it is unsound and without merit. A national poll to predict how the votes will fall is often (most of the time) a good predictor because it is done with a scientific method unlock the polls on this site. Much if your argument tries to use slight of hand to try to justify these polls.

I'm OK with small amount of meaning

Right, @ZOS_GinaBruno ?

Dont worry about him as he is a sour puss

BuggeX · May 2015

No Point for Spellcraft?

The Elder Scrolls Online

Housing vs Zone

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