People getting thru outpost walls without knocking them down

Cody · May 2015

The previous post made about this was closed, and I feel it is an important topic, so I am starting another one up.

I will not name or shame anyone, so ZOS has no valid reason to close this unless it develops into a pointless argument.

I have encountered what the mentioned closed thread has discussed, players appearing inside outposts without any of the walls being knocked down. Some could say that the enemy just hid inside the outpost and waited for the right moment. good for them if that is the case; however, There have been times where I thoroughly checked every corner via steel tornado spam, and i would find no one. I would even check ledges and still find no one. then enemies would suddenly appear in the outpost, without any of the walls being busted down, and no dragon leaps of any kind being performed

Its a shame I do not have the ability to record these events, but i urge anyone else who has footage of these events to post them here(of course blocking out all the names so this thread wont get closed due to naming and shaming) If this really is a perfectly doable, intentional exploit, the devs need to see it and put a stop to it.

if there is no such thing, and I am just a raving idiot, then ignore me and carry on with your days:)

that is all.

timidobserver · May 2015

Once you reach max Alliance War rank you unlike a secret toggle skill named Ghost. You can pass through walls when it is toggled on.

Cody · May 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

Once you reach max Alliance War rank you unlike a secret toggle skill named Ghost. You can pass through walls when it is toggled on.

so im just a raving idiot or....?

DezIsDead · May 2015

Cody wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Once you reach max Alliance War rank you unlike a secret toggle skill named Ghost. You can pass through walls when it is toggled on.

so im just a raving idiot or....?

i agree its an issue, but i dont think its the end of the world. Its something the devs should have fixed months ago. Literally every class except Templar can get into most outposts. They cant cap it without flagging the keep so at most its just annoying. At this point i dont even blame people for doing it, I reported it sometime last year and even provided a link to a video that showed how it was done in my description to them. But they still havent fixed it, so shame on zos for knowing and allowing things like this to remain. They will happily hot fix XP grinds because OMG too much CP is being made, but wont fix issues like this, that have been around and common knowledge for months.

Cody · May 2015

DezIsDead wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Once you reach max Alliance War rank you unlike a secret toggle skill named Ghost. You can pass through walls when it is toggled on.

so im just a raving idiot or....?

i agree its an issue, but i dont think its the end of the world. Its something the devs should have fixed months ago. Literally every class except Templar can get into most outposts. They cant cap it without flagging the keep so at most its just annoying. At this point i dont even blame people for doing it, I reported it sometime last year and even provided a link to a video that showed how it was done in my description to them. But they still havent fixed it, so shame on zos for knowing and allowing things like this to remain. They will happily hot fix XP grinds because OMG too much CP is being made, but wont fix issues like this, that have been around and common knowledge for months.

cheating is cheating, no matter how little of an impact it has on the game. this should have been fixed as soon as it cropped up.

Hopefully after consoles come out(and if consoles sell well) ZOS can finally get back on the right track with this game and start fixing it.

SoulScream · May 2015

I have seen the same players exploiting into outposts for several months now. ZOS lack of caring about cheating is the main reason I don't play much and I will not give them money ever again.

Shunravi · May 2015

I am tempted to make a video demonstrating how its done... again...

Its a dirty dirty cheat. And Ive reported it quite a few times with video to boot. And its still in-game.

Please fix it ZOS!

Teargrants · May 2015

It's a feature to allow PvE'rs to bypass the PvP grind needed to take outposts, so that they can more thoroughly enjoy PvE in Cyrodiil by getting right to the NPCs. WORKING AS INTENDED.

CN_Daniel · May 2015

Teargrants wrote: »

It's a feature to allow PvE'rs to bypass the PvP grind needed to take outposts, so that they can more thoroughly enjoy PvE in Cyrodiil by getting right to the NPCs. WORKING AS INTENDED.

love it lol

Jasli · May 2015

I saw this happening tonight while I was on Haderus...A DC got inside Bleakers while we were trying to defend from the massive blue army, and the postern was only at 89%. I was right in the middle of using my BARBECUE for some chicken and could not identify who it was, and the that massive AOE ensued. Oddly enough my latency went to crap and then our entire raid crashed.....pretty sad story...

My bad the actual crash happened at Aleswell...I hope that ZOS might be able to look into this, its destroying pvp.

JTorus · May 2015

I messaged someone (in game) after he performed the exploit. His reasoning... 'I'm doing this because ZOS refuses to fix it.'

The cheat itself is trivial and not terribly game breaking. However it is immensely demoralizing to the individuals who do not cheat. It is a gross insult to those who have monetarily supported this game all these months to have their dedication and funding ignored and their esteem eroded by blatant negligence, laziness and ineptitude.

Teargrants · May 2015

Just stop trying to interfere with ppls PvE experiences by defending outposts. Problem solved.

ZOS should hire me.

Dazin93 · May 2015

I reported this issue with video and screenshots months ago, yet I was never once contacted and nothing happened to the individual as I saw them in Cyrodiil every day after. If the issue doesn't involve the forums, consoles, or PvE, it likely isn't getting fixed soon, if ever.

cozmon3c_ESO · May 2015

Teleport strike to guards behind doors, doesnt seem like an exploit to me. i mean they teleported.

Tintinabula · May 2015

once you get to a door and click E..you should be immune from all damage/targetting and unable to dps until the lagged out door teleports you.Its just a bad by product of lag and ppl able to dps you down and target you while you're waiting on that danged door to open..that's all really. I cant address the NBs that search for ppl waiting for the door to open and hit their swift strikey thingy button or whatever hoping that that they teleport in as you do..but i'm sure there are some out there.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · May 2015

I've witnessed this first hand myself, involving a Ultra sized group of Really Good Acquaintances. Even if the keep can't be taken without flagging it that's not to say that these Super Neat Companions can't set up siege on the top deck and siege down the walls from within. It was like watching a clown car seeing every single nightblade and dragonknight member of these Mega Mighty Mofos zipping into the nave. It's not merely annoying its griefing, that it doesn't matter how well and precise your siege placement is and how many defenders you have, that these players are able to bypass the defenses and can quite readily and easily wipe the entire top deck, making you lose precious time trying to evict them, and even then they can just come back.

I find it horrendously galling if not amusing that the Mantikora Bear Trap glitch warranted a fix post haste when this is a problem that affects combat dependent on defense. Same with the scroll-gate exploit. I could've sworn that it was stated by Mr. Wheeler himself that the problem would be addressed by not allowing the scrolls to be picked up as long as the gates are down, so either this was a misunderstanding or was reneged upon by the devs. Either way, no one gives two craps about realistic lighting and lip synching. Unless they plan on suffering the same fate as another high-profile, long-running MMO, they need to fix the real problems and not worry about such trivial issues as mount animation glitches.

FireCowCommando · May 2015

Maybe i should just start streaming and do nothing but exploit my way into outposts until ZoS does something about it.

Perhaps if every single player who is currently in the game abuses it, and all the excited console players see the glitch as well there would be enough momentum... Maybe...

Zargorius · May 2015

The glitch needs to be made public and abused constantly, it's the only way to have it moved up in priority and fixed. If it's public dominion, hopefully ZOS will be forced to do something about it. Abuse, tell people, shout it in chat. Silence and pretending all is fine will not help.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO · May 2015

Zargorius wrote: »

The glitch needs to be made public and abused constantly, it's the only way to have it moved up in priority and fixed. If it's public dominion, hopefully ZOS will be forced to do something about it. Abuse, tell people, shout it in chat. Silence and pretending all is fine will not help.

You're missing the point. It's BEEN made public. Its BEEN used, REPEATEDLY. Hundreds if not thousands of legitimate pvpers have sent in tickets regarding the issue and it has failed to be addressed in a timely manner. If these players that allegedly know about this and persist in executing this exploit do so in order to 'draw attention' to the issue, I rather think they care more about securing the objectives and associated scoring points with it than preserving any form of combat courtesy.

Minnesinger · May 2015

The first time dks jumped onto the walls there were several threads about it. I think ZOS said it was not intended and they tried to fix that. Lets just face the reality that the keeps/ ops are constantly conquered without the walls being breached. There isn´t ban given to these players as far as I know. Would like to know how these cases are handled? Is it part of the game and working as intended? Should we just think that these players doing it are smarter to notice the weaknesses of enemy and use them to their advantage? I mean it might be an added feature to play solo ninja in enemy keeps.

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Kartalin · May 2015

I did it by accident once using ambush against a guy trying to flee into the outpost. I was so surprised it happened that I did not do a single attack as I was slaughtered.

RinaldoGandolphi · May 2015

Things like this make me ask myself everyday why im still even bothering to play....

Planchard · May 2015

Seems like people have been using too much salt with their barbeque lately

Ifthir_ESO · May 2015

wait...they fixed manticora bear trap?????

but not anything pvp

ArcanusMagus · May 2015

I've seen this happen dozens of times. It's infuriating when you've got a small group defending an outpost and a few nightblades glitch through the wall and systematically gut everyone inside while they're on seige weapons with the front door and both postern walls intact.

I was in a group a few nights ago that tried this crap. We start front-dooring Bleakers and a few people glitched through the walls anyway. I left the group over it, but why even bother reporting this crap? I've never known anyone to get banned or suspended for anything.

I can understand some things take time to fix, but behaviors like this should be declared, by ZOS, exploits or fair play. If this tactic is an exploit, there should be consequences. If it's not an exploit, say so that everyone can use it.

Rook_Master · May 2015

They're never going to fix it because the exploit is so deeply ingrained in the abilities people use to do it.

I really wish that wasn't the case, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for a fix on this one.

Makkir · May 2015

I thought you quit PvP? I remember seeing a goodbye thread. Yet...

badmojo · May 2015

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If ZOS doesn't fix it or make an announcement that it's not allowed/intended, then we can only assume it's part of the game. Either use it, or be subject to those who do. Complaining about it won't stop anyone from doing it.

hammayolettuce · May 2015

badmojo wrote: »

Walk up to the left side of the left postern door at an outpost, aim into the door & use ambush when it lights up.

If ZOS doesn't fix it or make an announcement that it's not allowed/intended, then we can only assume it's part of the game. Either use it, or be subject to those who do. Complaining about it won't stop anyone from doing it.

They have already posted that it is an exploit. Continue and you can be banned if it wasnt zos in charge.

badmojo · May 2015

hammayolettuce wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

Walk up to the left side of the left postern door at an outpost, aim into the door & use ambush when it lights up.

If ZOS doesn't fix it or make an announcement that it's not allowed/intended, then we can only assume it's part of the game. Either use it, or be subject to those who do. Complaining about it won't stop anyone from doing it.

They have already posted that it is an exploit. Continue and you can be banned if it wasnt zos in charge.

Link to that post?

hammayolettuce · May 2015

badmojo wrote: »

hammayolettuce wrote: »

badmojo wrote: »

Walk up to the left side of the left postern door at an outpost, aim into the door & use ambush when it lights up.

If ZOS doesn't fix it or make an announcement that it's not allowed/intended, then we can only assume it's part of the game. Either use it, or be subject to those who do. Complaining about it won't stop anyone from doing it.

They have already posted that it is an exploit. Continue and you can be banned if it wasnt zos in charge.

Link to that post?

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/1537159/#Comment_1537159

Then scroll down for this response...

ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »

Hey everyone. We just want to point out that the use of Teleport Strike to enter the enemy keep shown in this video (that is, using it on an enemy as they enter a keep, so that the caster ends up on the inside of the keep with the enemy) is a bug. We are in the process of investigating a solution.

Ah, it is not like leap then? I assumed that being a 'teleport' it would be useable. Is it fair to use it until patch? Or just avoid doing it from now?

Since this is not intended functionality, continued use of this would be considered an exploit, so please refrain from doing so. Ultimately, any method of entering an enemy keep without breaking down the door is considered an exploit. Thanks for checking!