golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

Obviously every class, race, etc is 100% balanced 100% of the time, and the truth can't possibly be anything other than that feel good mentality because that would just be unpleasant.

In what world did ANYTHING that I posted equate to "everything is 100% balanced"?

@Yolokin_Swagonborn is saying that if we were to approach the matter from a different angle ("What can I do against this class?" instead of "CLASS OP NERF NAO"), there would probably be a much better quality of responses.

I agree w/ that sentiment wholeheartedly.

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

100% crit from stealth

All classes have 100% crit from stealth.

He means cloak, but let me change it, cloak removes a *** ton of ults just to be useless basicly, u know the shiz *** it ima keep it short

Vatter wrote: »

medium armor nirn max weapon damage build

All classes can wear medium and build the same way.

Yes but funnily enough not a single class has a 30% *** regen in their passives reaching the point of being untouchable

Vatter wrote: »

fear

Because CC break is hard?

Because of previous post, a battle of resource management a NB will always win.

Vatter wrote: »

vanish

That whole half second you can't see them? Unless of course you are referring to invis pots, then in that case, all classes can use em.
FYI: Invis Pot > Cloak

Vanish isn't even important, it's the fact taht we cant hit em, detect potions dont work vs roll dodge.

Vatter wrote: »

super speed

Concealed weapon (only in stealth) and twisting path are the only things that make a nightblade faster that other classes don't have access to.

Lets make it like ; able to burst anyone with animation cancel like no other class can, on more frequent basis.

Vatter wrote: »

3k stamina regen to dodge indefinitely for 100% dodge mitigation

Once again, any class can build this way.

No, 30% stamina regen passive, ***.

If in anyway your post was serious, I suggest you get a working knowledge of all classes and their capabilities. Stop thinking that DK=Tank, Templar= healer, Sorc= ranged DPS, and NB= that guy that killed me from stealth.

right.. any words left?

BrassRazoo wrote: »

The first thing they should do is fix stealth.
It is the silliest thing I have seen in a game for ages.
Entering combat, getting off a few hits then just vanishing is so stupid it makes me laugh.
I struggle to comprehend what is worse, the fact that my dopey toon has instant blindness after being stabbed in the back from a guy who is now crouching two feet away or the developer who thought this was actually acceptable.

Lel I does it all the time w invisi-speed pots xD Then I run away - rinse, repeat

The bigger issue is with Fear, and how it activates before you actually see your character visually feared. The victim has a longer reaction time due to this, and the attacker can get in many hits before you are able to cc break. It is so hard to notice and react to compared to other cc such as projectiles.

Sharee wrote: »

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

I'll again grant you super speed. Sorcs have Bolt, Nightblades have speed, but the remaining two classes don't have any form of an escape.

Any class can equip bow, buff up with major expedition, roll dodge, and sprint.
That is the highest speed attainable in game, save for horse.

Don't forget Med armor bonuses to increase speed, the set bonus that lets you sneak faster and vampire. I'll grant you that they aren't straight up sprinting and now since 1.6 some can cancel each other out but there are a myriad of ways people can build for speed. I don't remember exactly off the top of my head but i'm also pretty sure there are some champion skills that grant extra movement speed as well.

If you dont like it, quit, they wont nerf or change much anyways.. game will always be insanely unbalanced.. And everyone is defending that broken class ( they just rerolled and dont want dem nerfs )

Just quit already, I used to tell friends etc about this game being fun, challenging , different, slowly i started to get sick of it, and now i just turned a 180.. Kept having good words hoping they would bring some changes to the table that would prove themselves willing to listen to the community and actually fix the game. Sadly Zenimax doesnt care about the community. I dunno just quit this game already its done for anyways^

Everyone just falls for the title and the first few days of the game feeling unique, sadly bethesda has nothign to do with this game and it's not a real elder scrolls game.. And once u get past the first few days and u start to notice the bugs.. the PvP imbalance.. and so on and so on..

Lyzaaa wrote: »

thomas.k.grayb14_ESO wrote: »

Vatter wrote: »

100% crit from stealth

All classes have 100% crit from stealth.

1. He means cloak, but let me change it, cloak removes a *** ton of ults just to be useless basicly, u know the shiz *** it ima keep it short

Vatter wrote: »

medium armor nirn max weapon damage build

All classes can wear medium and build the same way.

2. Yes but funnily enough not a single class has a 30% *** regen in their passives reaching the point of being untouchable

Vatter wrote: »

fear

Because CC break is hard?

3.Because of previous post, a battle of resource management a NB will always win.

Vatter wrote: »

vanish

That whole half second you can't see them? Unless of course you are referring to invis pots, then in that case, all classes can use em.
FYI: Invis Pot > Cloak

4.Vanish isn't even important, it's the fact taht we cant hit em, detect potions dont work vs roll dodge.

Vatter wrote: »

super speed

Concealed weapon (only in stealth) and twisting path are the only things that make a nightblade faster that other classes don't have access to.

5.Lets make it like ; able to burst anyone with animation cancel like no other class can, on more frequent basis.

Vatter wrote: »

3k stamina regen to dodge indefinitely for 100% dodge mitigation

Once again, any class can build this way.

6.No, 30% stamina regen passive, ***.

If in anyway your post was serious, I suggest you get a working knowledge of all classes and their capabilities. Stop thinking that DK=Tank, Templar= healer, Sorc= ranged DPS, and NB= that guy that killed me from stealth.

right.. any words left?

Ok lets try this again...

Point 1: Cloak removes 4 DOTs. It does not make the NB immune to damage. Lesson to learn: Don't use DOT based ultimates on NBs and then be surprised when they cloak.

Point 2: All classes have passives, this single passive doesn't make the class. For instance:

* DKs get Health/Stam/Magicka refill every time they use an ultimate, they get 5% of their stam pool every time they use an earthen heart ability, they block 10% more damage, and they get 2500 spell resist added to their base.

* Templars get a 4% reduction to cost of all abilities(including ultimate), they get a 6% base weapon damage buff, they do 10% more damage to blocking targets, they block more damage, and they get the same 10% crit damage as NB.

* Sorcs get 5% cost reduction to magicka and stam abilities, 15% cost reduction to ultimates, 10% magicka regen

This doesn't include the passives attached to slotted abilities.

Classes have unique passives for a reason, 30% stam regen isn't game breaking.

Point 3: All classes can be built for stupid amounts of regen. Simply being a NB does not mean anything.

Point 4: Once again, any class can build to perma roll dodge, it's not that hard.

Point 5: I don't think you understand how animation canceling works based on this statement. I'll try to explain:

* If you light attack, there is a set amount of time before you can light attack again... no amount of canceling will change this.
* Same goes for heavy.
* Same goes for skills.

Each of these things has it's own global cooldown. There is nothing in the game that lowers this cooldown.

Damage is front-loaded meaning the following animation is pointless. Canceling the animation however doesn't allow one to spam that skill any faster, it allows weaving of light/heavy attacks between skill usage.

The point is a DK, Templar, or Sorc can HA>Lethal Arrow>Block>LA>Poison Injection>Block>LA just as effectively and just as frequently as a NB can.

Point 6: See Point 2.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Best comment in this thread so far. Here are some "nerfs" they should apply to NB. Any by nerfs I mean bug fixes.

I'd give Fear up in a heartbeat for a freakin' self heal worth a damn.

I play a Nightblade. 2 in fact. one at vr14, stam DPS build, other right now at v1, magicka build (healer).
Both do fairly well in PvE and in PvP.
I never use fear, I do fairly well with the assassination and siphoning bars.. Usually only Shadow skills I use are the shades (wich are awesome and I'm so happy they don't cry about that as well. lol); aside from that, nothing.
Okay, maaaybe i have Mass Hysteria in the magicka one's offbar.

Honestly, i don't get the hate on fear.. DK's Talons is way worse, but even so, all you need to do is manage your stamina and *** ur mouse's buttons. Okay, sometimes, (as with all CC) it doesn't let you escape, so yea, there is that bug. but it's not NB exclusive, it's a thing.

Just filled my "kill 20 nightblades" bounty board for the day and Im a mediocre player at best...

people that don't play all 4 classes at the same level in the same gear should refrain from posting nerf/buff threads. you do not speak from experience.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Smepic wrote: »

The bigger issue is with Fear, and how it activates before you actually see your character visually feared. The victim has a longer reaction time due to this, and the attacker can get in many hits before you are able to cc break. It is so hard to notice and react to compared to other cc such as projectiles.

Best comment in this thread so far. Here are some "nerfs" they should apply to NB. Any by nerfs I mean bug fixes.

• Make the animation for fear more noticeable - Both externally (on the caster) and on the affected target. Some NPCs have a ghost that they summon that fears you. Something like that.
• Fix fear so that it can be broken immediately. Every time.
• Fix fear so that it gives immunity after the effect ends. Every time.

As you can see in this video courtesy of @Ezareth Fear doesn't always let you break it. Even witha full bar of stamina

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMcY_dbo52s

When a sorcerer bug was found (the double cfrag damage) it was fixed immediately next patch. This one is even more game breaking. Why hasn't it been fixed?

Fixing this would end a lot of the nerf NB crys.

playing sorc with the overpowert overloaded lighattack and flaming of other classskills? are you kidding?

Yes, NBs are highly overpowered at the moment. Every NB can get a OP heal with Vigor (or rally even), without the need of resto staff. So the heal part is not true. Any semi-skilled NB can have some of the best selfheal in the game.

And then you are talking about the most powerful burst dmg, stealth escape that is spammable, the most OP AoE CC by FAR (fear), OP class passives, strong ultimates, range spells, class charge, melee dps all in one and the same class. Vigor + all this = the most OP class combo i have seen in ANY mmo. But ofc NBs will cry and defend the OPness like their child.