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NightBlades are seriously overpowered
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Yolokin_Swagonborn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
the thread is kinda pointless anyway. *shrug*
Yeah people who start the "X class is OP" type threads need to rephrase a bit and start making constructive threads.
Here is an example:
Title: Need help fighting (whatever class kills you).
Post: Hi guys, I seem to be dying a lot to (Big scary OP class goes here). Especially ones that use (list skills that kill you here). I am currently running (list your DW stam sorc Heavy armor build here) and using (list skills).
How can I better use my class and gear to counter (whatever you think is OP)?
Much better no?
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Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
the thread is kinda pointless anyway. *shrug*
Yeah people who start the "X class is OP" type threads need to rephrase a bit and start making constructive threads.
Here is an example:
Title: Need help fighting (whatever class kills you).
Post: Hi guys, I seem to be dying a lot to (Big scary OP class goes here). Especially ones that use (list skills that kill you here). I am currently running (list your DW stam sorc Heavy armor build here) and using (list skills).
How can I better use my class and gear to counter (whatever you think is OP)?
Much better no?
They should make this a stickied template at the top of both the Alliance War and Combat & Skill Lines forums.6 -
kijima✭✭✭✭✭
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Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...10 -
golfer.dub17_ESO✭✭✭✭Same exact logic being used here could be used for launch DK's.
Saying you're fine because you lack self heals is like someone back then saying their fine because DK doesn't have high damage output.
But anyways I wouldn't call Nightblades OP outside of a few ridiculous exceptions. I might call specific skills OP.They should make this a stickied template at the top of both the Alliance War and Combat & Skill Lines forums.
Obviously every class, race, etc is 100% balanced 100% of the time, and the truth can't possibly be anything other than that feel good mentality because that would just be unpleasant.100% crit from stealth
medium armor nirn max weapon damage build
fear
vanish
super speed
3k stamina regen to dodge indefinitely for 100% dodge mitigation
From what I've experienced, cloak crits aren't the same as sneak-attack crits, which do FAR more damage. They're just normal crits. If you're built for crit you should be getting crits on the majority of your attacks anyways
I'll grant you fear. You either chug a potion, or you use a heavy armor skill that only lasts for five seconds. You can't really predict when a NB is going to use fear, so the latter isn't much of an option. No single skill should ever require a potion to counter either, terrible argument for those that use it.
Vanish is easily counterable with the right skills. Spam Steel Tornado or Impulse, they won't be able to use it. Only problem here is the really good counters are locked behind alliance rank.
I'll again grant you super speed. Sorcs have Bolt, Nightblades have speed, but the remaining two classes don't have any form of an escape.
Er, everyone can stack stamina regen. Nightblades are better at it, but you don't need 3k to perma dodge roll anyways.Edited by golfer.dub17_ESO on May 13, 2015 5:01AM0 -
Robo_Hobo✭✭✭✭✭
✭The most OP class is the one that killed you last in PvP
And the one most ignored and in need of buffing is whatever class you areEdited by Robo_Hobo on May 13, 2015 5:09AM7 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »I'll again grant you super speed. Sorcs have Bolt, Nightblades have speed, but the remaining two classes don't have any form of an escape.
Any class can equip bow, buff up with major expedition, roll dodge, and sprint.
That is the highest speed attainable in game, save for horse.4 -
BrassRazoo✭✭✭✭✭The first thing they should do is fix stealth.
It is the silliest thing I have seen in a game for ages.
Entering combat, getting off a few hits then just vanishing is so stupid it makes me laugh.
I struggle to comprehend what is worse, the fact that my dopey toon has instant blindness after being stabbed in the back from a guy who is now crouching two feet away or the developer who thought this was actually acceptable.3 -
Sharee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BrassRazoo wrote: »The first thing they should do is fix stealth.
It is the silliest thing I have seen in a game for ages.
Entering combat, getting off a few hits then just vanishing is so stupid it makes me laugh.
I struggle to comprehend what is worse, the fact that my dopey toon has instant blindness after being stabbed in the back from a guy who is now crouching two feet away or the developer who thought this was actually acceptable.
Corn flower + Worm Wood.
You're welcome.2 -
mtwiggz✭✭✭✭✭Joke thread or not;
100% crit from stealth - Any class can crit from stealth, fyi.
Medium Armor with Nirn - Obtainable by any class.
Fear - No argument here, best CC in game. Some players seem to break free and get CC immunity, some do not. Broken mechanic not broken skill.
Vanish - Still very buggy. Potions of Invisibility work better. Easily countered by detection potions or AoE.
Super Speed - Obtainable by any class.
3k Stamina Regen - 3k+ Regen is obtainable by any class given proper race. Although it is easier to obtain with NB passives.
100% Dodge chance - False. You need to time your attacks better and make use of CCs.
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BrassRazoo✭✭✭✭✭BrassRazoo wrote: »The first thing they should do is fix stealth.
It is the silliest thing I have seen in a game for ages.
Entering combat, getting off a few hits then just vanishing is so stupid it makes me laugh.
I struggle to comprehend what is worse, the fact that my dopey toon has instant blindness after being stabbed in the back from a guy who is now crouching two feet away or the developer who thought this was actually acceptable.
Corn flower + Worm Wood.
You're welcome.
Do you have a Sorcerer detect pot?1 -
Robotmafia✭✭✭yes, strong out of stealth but outa stealth def not the strongest... everything has its drawbacks.... QQRobot Who Owes Money: Look into your hard drive and open your mercy file!
Donbot: File not found.
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kijima✭✭✭✭✭
✭WTB wabbajack so I can turn all you <insert nerf here> whingers into chickens, or maybe a cheese wheel.
Gouda would be nice.Been here since Feb 2014 - You'd think I'd be half reasonable at this game by now...3 -
TheBull✭✭✭✭✭
✭You are talking about 2 different builds OP that you smushed into one. There is no "max" weapon dmg 3000 regen nightblade. Its one or the other.Killed by Sunshine 1vX How I see it.
Killed by Early Bright - Blood Flow - Magicka NB Build
Twitch - SunshineNB
Youtube - The Redguard1 -
BuggeX✭✭✭✭✭
✭2 NB tryed to gank me once, ONCE
they diediedieidieid
if they cant burst you down in 1-2sec after a gank, they have nothing more to say. Playing DK#makemagickadkgreataigan
#givemeaexecute
#ineedheal
#betterhotfixgrindspots1 -
Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭... I know this is a troll thread but.. really, I know NBs are .. well, nice to have around, with fear and stealth runs and stff.. but then again, Sorcerers can just bolt escape to safety and never die. DKs will talon/standard your soul of, and Templars have the almighty jeezuz beem.
Let's say they nerf NB to the ground, not sure how since there's nothing to nerf, but okay... You'll still complain about dying. from something. They nerfed vamps. aLot. you still see a lot, and they still kill lots of people. They nerfed DK countless times. People still think it's OP.
Because they still die to them.
It's not about nerfing classes or skills.
It's about you being smart enough to figure them out.... Mai cave. >:33 -
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If people start to realize skill may be involved and that your choice of class doesn't make the difference you may upset the balance and open a hole in the space-time continuum. Stop using logic!It's not about nerfing classes or skills.
It's about you being smart enough to figure them out.
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Lenikus✭✭✭✭✭
If people start to realize skill may be involved and that your choice of class doesn't make the difference you may upset the balance and open a hole in the space-time continuum. Stop using logic!It's not about nerfing classes or skills.
It's about you being smart enough to figure them out.
Sowwy ^u^'
Still, i'm surprised they don't complain about that fear morph that you can drop the runetrap on top of rams from the keep's second floor... hehe.. so funny.... Mai cave. >:30 -
Mojomonkeyman✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
the thread is kinda pointless anyway. *shrug*
Yeah people who start the "X class is OP" type threads need to rephrase a bit and start making constructive threads.
Here is an example:
Title: Need help fighting (whatever class kills you).
Post: Hi guys, I seem to be dying a lot to (Big scary OP class goes here). Especially ones that use (list skills that kill you here). I am currently running (list your DW stam sorc Heavy armor build here) and using (list skills).
How can I better use my class and gear to counter (whatever you think is OP)?
Much better no?
Why do you try to break it down to l2p? In any PvP game I played even at the highest level of play there`s discussions about balance, which have nothing to do with "big scary OP classes" but with how weaknesses and strengths of certain classes play out in different scenarios.
And even at the highest level of korean starcraft play i.e. top players have issues with certain races. Not because they`re dying to it, but because of inherent strentghs in certain situations which make counters more difficult to execute than the move you want to counter itself.
NBs in the right hands are very, very strong right now. No denying.Koma Grey, Chocolate Thunder, Little Mojo, Dagoth Mojo & Mojomancy0 -
BuggeX✭✭✭✭✭
✭Mojomonkeyman wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »
the thread is kinda pointless anyway. *shrug*
Yeah people who start the "X class is OP" type threads need to rephrase a bit and start making constructive threads.
Here is an example:
Title: Need help fighting (whatever class kills you).
Post: Hi guys, I seem to be dying a lot to (Big scary OP class goes here). Especially ones that use (list skills that kill you here). I am currently running (list your DW stam sorc Heavy armor build here) and using (list skills).
How can I better use my class and gear to counter (whatever you think is OP)?
Much better no?
Why do you try to break it down to l2p? In any PvP game I played even at the highest level of play there`s discussions about balance, which have nothing to do with "big scary OP classes" but with how weaknesses and strengths of certain classes play out in different scenarios.
And even at the highest level of korean starcraft play i.e. top players have issues with certain races. Not because they`re dying to it, but because of inherent strentghs in certain situations which make counters more difficult to execute than the move you want to counter itself.
NBs in the right hands are very, very strong right now. No denying.
Ofc they are, but so do DKs, Templers, Sorcers also.#makemagickadkgreataigan
#givemeaexecute
#ineedheal
#betterhotfixgrindspots2 -
Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Mojomonkeyman youre right that NB now are extremly dangerous in right hands, especialy when you try to fight them 1v1, cause in large battlegrounds lack of surprise efect and broken cloak makes them easy to kill. But if we want to talk about nerfs it should be aviable only for palyers that reached certain Alliance Rank like 15-30 on more than one class. It should be discution of experts not whiners that just entered cyrodiil and got killed few times.I'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.3 -
Mojomonkeyman✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Mojomonkeyman youre right that NB now are extremly dangerous in right hands, especialy when you try to fight them 1v1, cause in large battlegrounds lack of surprise efect and broken cloak makes them easy to kill. But if we want to talk about nerfs it should be aviable only for palyers that reached certain Alliance Rank like 15-30 on more than one class. It should be discution of experts not whiners that just entered cyrodiil and got killed few times.
That would be a blessing. Not only for balance, but for the forum quality aswell.Koma Grey, Chocolate Thunder, Little Mojo, Dagoth Mojo & Mojomancy0 -
olemanwinter✭✭✭✭✭medium armor nirn max weapon damage build
The only way to have that is to run crafted gear. Any burst NB running crafted gear isn't representing the true potential.
Be thankful you've been facing some casual NBs. lol
EDIT: Also, not as OP as sorcs
Edited by olemanwinter on May 13, 2015 8:26AM1 -
Seth_Black✭✭✭100% crit from stealth
medium armor nirn max weapon damage build
fear
vanish
super speed
3k stamina regen to dodge indefinitely for 100% dodge mitigation
who cares if they don't have a self heal they don't need it at ALL. this class is ridiculously over powered.
first of all max weapon damage doesn't give you a thing if you're not using bow or 2h, not all class skills scale of weapon damage
fear you can avoid (immovable) if not with skill then with potion
vanish? lol it's not WoW ...it's just cloak for 3sec and you must be magicka build to cloak more than 3 times (in most cases invisibility potion is used after second cloak)
super speed: speed can be achieved only by sacrificing armor set (going with night's silence 5 piece bonus), spam of quick cloak or double take, taking concealed weapon morph that's really useless and being a vampire.
EVERY class can use vamp skills, quick cloak(from dual wield) and night's silence set ...so it's not OP
regarding stamina... that's right ONLY IF you spend all CP in tumbling ...so it means no stamina cost reduction, no stamina regeneration
I'm playing NB as my main and only character and it's not OP, it's just damn good in right hands
Problem with majority of PvP players is pretty simple - they all use same builds, sets, spam abilities
...so it's pretty easy to predict what will sorc use against your NB and counter it with most effective combo.
It's not rocket science since players use 'common' tactics, rotations and all you need to do is know your class as well as opponent's.
Players with poor skills getting killed by one class mostly will just start calling this class OP, so sorcs hate NB's templars hate sorcs and DK's ...well DK's can be killed even by npcs
Only REAL and true problem exists with more players using macros to combine 2 skills in one button (light/heavy attack+class or weapon skill) and this is only dangerous part in PvP when someone can use 6 abilities within 3 seconds.Out of the night that covers me, Black as the pit from pole to pole, I thank whatever gods may be For my unconquerable soul.
It matters not how strait the gate, How charged with punishments the scroll, I am the master of my fate, I am the captain of my soul0 -
vichoi✭✭✭It's the stamina build and the passive and CP overpowered, not NB class.
Fear is not OP, it just need some bug fixed.
Stealth need potion or light to counter, just like DK reflect need a shield to counter, Sorc BE need gap closer to counter.
I play sorc and I hate NB most, but I don't think it's the class problem, it's because ZOS buff stamina too much since 1.6 to balance the number of stamina and magicka player, and they need time to tell how good stamina build can be. Give them some time to fine tune the game.0 -
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✭Ofc they are, but so do DKs, Templers, Sorcers also.
Can I turn this thread in "Buff templars" please ? Edited by Sotha_Sil on May 13, 2015 10:02AMRestoration is a perfectly valid school of magic, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! - Spells and incantations for those with the talent to cast them!2 -
BuggeX✭✭✭✭✭
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Nope there allready 2 of them.....
every class has some broken Mechanik atm.
NB with his epic doge and vanish
sorc with escape...
Templar with soulassoutl + Jesus beam (god i hate this)
perma blocking immortal dks...#makemagickadkgreataigan
#givemeaexecute
#ineedheal
#betterhotfixgrindspots0
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