Erondil wrote: »

Lesspa wrote: »

have fun fighting 50% sp resist.

mark target

Major Fracture still only reduces SR by something like 4K. I don't know if Magicka NBs are running Apprentice/Nirnhoned staves/ 5 pc light or not. If so I suppose they could counter Nirnhoned to a large degree.

Araxleon wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Gizit wrote: »

Magic NB is weak. Compared to its magic counterparts. and also strongly weak compared to a same class Stamina.

Whats your hardest hitting magic attack, then start to compare it to armor values of a player. I can nirnhood your attacks down greatly can i not?

however your snipe still hurts.

Maybe weak is a bad word to use, however if you are looking to do damage, stamina seems the way to go.

Ohh you can hit like a truck as a Magicka NB, as long as your targets aren't wearing 40K+ Spell ress.

I'm too new to NB to speak from a position of authority and Arax is the best Magicka NB out there so if he says they're better I'm listening (even if I wont take him at his word until he proves it to me ( = ).

I never see you I miss fighting you or killing the enemy factions around us

Yeah I haven't been playing my Sorc very often. I ground out 5 champion points of enlightened last night and I still am enlightened...I think I could grind another and still be enlightened. ) =

The real issue is my Sorc is too damn squishy now, I always used to rely on active defenses and skill to keep my survivability high but with 1.6 and the lag monster/ bugged fear / health desyncs etc I find that most of the time I'm dying there isn't a thing I could have done which just isn't any fun.

I can still troll pretty well for a long time (I bolted on top of the wall at Aleswell and killed all the people on siege and gave them a good 15 minute chase last night) but bugs and lag just make me rage too hard to have fun.

Araxleon wrote: »

NukeAllTheThings wrote: »

You want to know the real answer? Stam is FOTM and many rolled that instead of spending time to find the strengths of the new magicka NB. Add in that there aren't too many videos out showing builds and their effectiveness and you have a less informed community that base a class' strengths on what 1 person told another person who heard it from another.

Put out video/guide of a strong and effective magicka NB build and watch how quick you see that same build out on the field.

That happened with my 1.5 NB build. Magicka NB is Honstly better but harder to play

Have you played as a stam NB in 1.6? You're an excellent player, so I think most decent builds you'll do well with. You might be great as a magicka NB, but stam NB might be 100% better than the magicka NB in your hands. Hard to know unless you've played stam for a decent period of time.

maysonet_ESO wrote: »

Araxleon wrote: »

NukeAllTheThings wrote: »

You want to know the real answer? Stam is FOTM and many rolled that instead of spending time to find the strengths of the new magicka NB. Add in that there aren't too many videos out showing builds and their effectiveness and you have a less informed community that base a class' strengths on what 1 person told another person who heard it from another.

Put out video/guide of a strong and effective magicka NB build and watch how quick you see that same build out on the field.

That happened with my 1.5 NB build. Magicka NB is Honstly better but harder to play

Have you played as a stam NB in 1.6? You're an excellent player, so I think most decent builds you'll do well with. You might be great as a magicka NB, but stam NB might be 100% better than the magicka NB in your hands. Hard to know unless you've played stam for a decent period of time.

never touched stam, my build is viable against most people even those stam builds so I dont feel a need to switch, but it did take some time to get the build ready now I feel its about *99%* complete and I dont feel weak at all compared to stamina, actually some people I have beaten wanted to reroll magicka thinking it was easy .... its not easy at all.

I dont really find nirnhoned a problem, I dont think sypher rerolled for that reason. Maybe he did IDK.
Nirn for me is only an issue on sorcs and tanks. Thats about it.

Erondil wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Lesspa wrote: »

have fun fighting 50% sp resist.

mark target

Major Fracture still only reduces SR by something like 4K. I don't know if Magicka NBs are running Apprentice/Nirnhoned staves/ 5 pc light or not. If so I suppose they could counter Nirnhoned to a large degree.

Araxleon wrote: »

Ezareth wrote: »

Gizit wrote: »

Magic NB is weak. Compared to its magic counterparts. and also strongly weak compared to a same class Stamina.

Whats your hardest hitting magic attack, then start to compare it to armor values of a player. I can nirnhood your attacks down greatly can i not?

however your snipe still hurts.

Maybe weak is a bad word to use, however if you are looking to do damage, stamina seems the way to go.

Ohh you can hit like a truck as a Magicka NB, as long as your targets aren't wearing 40K+ Spell ress.

I'm too new to NB to speak from a position of authority and Arax is the best Magicka NB out there so if he says they're better I'm listening (even if I wont take him at his word until he proves it to me ( = ).

I never see you I miss fighting you or killing the enemy factions around us

Yeah I haven't been playing my Sorc very often. I ground out 5 champion points of enlightened last night and I still am enlightened...I think I could grind another and still be enlightened. ) =

The real issue is my Sorc is too damn squishy now, I always used to rely on active defenses and skill to keep my survivability high but with 1.6 and the lag monster/ bugged fear / health desyncs etc I find that most of the time I'm dying there isn't a thing I could have done which just isn't any fun.

I can still troll pretty well for a long time (I bolted on top of the wall at Aleswell and killed all the people on siege and gave them a good 15 minute chase last night) but bugs and lag just make me rage too hard to have fun.

Ive never said the contrary, but the major fracture granted by mark doesnt reduce spell resist by 5.1k as it should do but by 10kish. Its just another bug (the sb pierce armor debuff works as intended). For once I made serious tests about that.

Interesting thanks for the info.

I just don't understand why every NB I come across tells me mark is trash. It is a freaking godsend for me, no NB is able to escape unless they're running purge (Which I haven't seen), increases my damage at no cost to me and gives me a massive heal on each target I kill. Between it and Rally I'm able to keep myself at full health against moderate damage.

Maybe it wouldn't be good fighting a good group with a purge-bot but I don't know any class or player that can do anything against a good group by themselves regardless.

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ITS A TRAP!!

Araxleon wrote: »

Magicka NB is Honestly better but harder to play

One of the challenges I see with people making comments in the forums is that there are huge differences between duelling, solo play, small group ganking, and larger (16+) group synergy. I suggest that people discussing what's best add the context of the type of play they're referring to. There's no one build that's best for everything, though you can make almost anything work.

I'm not a great duellist / am out of practice (haven't done so since 1.5), so can't speak with authority on the matter based on today's patch level. Back then magicka builds were far superior, and I believe that's still the case.

Solo or duo ganking stamina is the way to go for raw burst (especially if you have Vigor).

Small group ganking (4 ish people), I tend to prefer stamina as well. The people I most often group with for this are all DPS builds, so I'll sometimes go magicka support to be able to throw a heal and a few more fears while fighting 2-3 times our numbers.

In larger groups there's value in both builds. As a group leader, I tend towards a solid magicka build. In my groups, I prefer having one magicka NB in a particular build that is more support than damage, and all other NBs in stamina builds for the raw damage. In a near future patch Nirn will allegedly change such that 50% magic damage mitigation will be a lot more difficult to achieve, so my thoughts on builds/composition MAY change then.

@OP because they have no clue.

Please show us? 4k conceal's with crappy DoT's not counting nirnhoned/CP reduc mag damage.... WOOT SUCH DAMAGE.

I myself lost hope in magic NB... no burst capability without stacking SD/Magic and using proxy, ONLY way I've seen it done.

So please show us, I believe there is still a light.... somewhere.... in there

I have been levelling a Magic NB and loving it, It isn't a great for long drawn out fights but has a good burst and just so different way of fighting that it has me hooked atm.

Can't wait till I level enough to use Proxi det for justgood old stealth fun.

tinythinker wrote: »

Soter31 wrote: »

I have been levelling a Magic NB and loving it, It isn't a great for long drawn out fights but has a good burst[/b and just so different way of fighting that it has me hooked atm.

Can't wait till I level enough to use Proxi det for justgood old stealth fun.

I find the opposite for PvP, at least VR5-VR7 so far. For solo questing though it is great with sap essence/refreshing path for multi-target bar plus whatever single target abilities you like for the other bar. If anyone has good tips for magicka NB burst I would love to hear about it.

I can help but we would need to meet up and talk on TS. Like I had told people its easier to show then explain

Araxleon op!

Would be keen to observe, duel, discuss.

Enjoy magica NB, but find stam more effective vs sorcs (even with no vigor or nirn).

Xsorus wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

12k+ detonation crits are great btw

12k?

rofl.

You're using the Mage Guilds passive to increase the tooltip damage..But have you actually tested it?

Because when I just tested it just now..even though the tooltip went up in damage..It always hit for the same amount no matter what.

For me it works. 21-22k crit on a VR14 player.

TheElementalPlatypus wrote: »

Please show us? 4k conceal's with crappy DoT's not counting nirnhoned/CP reduc mag damage.... WOOT SUCH DAMAGE.

I myself lost hope in magic NB... no burst capability without stacking SD/Magic and using proxy, ONLY way I've seen it done.

So please show us, I believe there is still a light.... somewhere.... in there

Well your concelead weapon might be 4k.

Mine is not.
Yes, you need to stack SD/magicka but its the new meta for every build that wants to do damages. Sorc, dk, templar have to do same, and stamina build have to do same with stamina/wep dmg. Proximity detonation is far from being essential, you can have enough burst without. Personally sometimes I slot it but its just for the lulz or when I know I will fight more than 5 ennemies.
If you don't want to stack magicka/spell dmg, there is other magicka build, as saptank (heavy sb with sap essence and stuff) or ranged sustained dps with a destro staff. But yes, if you want burst, you need to stack spell/dmg magicka... is that surprising?

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

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Erondil wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

12k+ detonation crits are great btw

12k?

rofl.

clearly yours scales higher because it is purgeable

I barely see how you can purge proximity detonation lol

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

because I can avoid you

Its not "purgeable" so but counterable yes ofc.