ESO graphics Engine

Tashira · May 2015

Been playing with settings a bit on my graphics card.

So I have a question for the forums. It would seem that the ESO graphics engine is unable to keep up with the more powerful cards.

I noticed that as the game loads a character into the game everything seems choppy at first but then stabilizes which seems to me that the graphics engine cannot feed the GPU fast enough. Once it stabilizes the game runs fairly smoothly for a while or until one of the many crashes take it down

Wanted to get other people's thoughts on what they think.

bell.weather122rwb17_ESO · May 2015

something related to memory leak ?

manyrabidrats · May 2015

its not a new problem. but not a common one either.
from what i've been able to tell, it has something to do with a mix of hardware and software, for instance, i was having that problem, i upgraded my cpu/motherboard (had to re-install the OS in the process) and the problem went away. I'm not sure which step solved the problem.
also, my guild leader was having a lot of crashes, but after running ccleaner(registry cleaner) and defrag, his problem became much less common.

Sacadon · May 2015

Are you 100% positive that the GPU isn't waiting on network (most people's issue), processor, memory or disk?

Many players run really nasty rigs and don't have this issue as you've described.

What is your GPU and specs of your PC?

Wily_Wizard · May 2015

Do you have a hard drive or SSD? I would think its more likely waiting on a HD to load files.

Tashira · May 2015

Ok guys...

I have a 100MB down (7 to 9 UP depending) internet connect - running 1 GB with Cat 6 internal direct connect

16 GB of RAM - G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 12GB (4 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)

Vishera GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ (Rev.4.0) CPU AMD|6-CORE FX-6350 3.9G 8M R

Nvidia 740 SC 4 GB

512 GB SSD

GIGABYTE GA-990FXA-UD3 AM3+ AMD 990FX + SB950 6 x SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard

This definitely isnt my connection or my system or the GPU...............

Sacadon · May 2015

That GPU is kinda skimpy (no disrespect) and is not allowing the rest of your rig to breathe. But either way, I'm with you in that you shouldn't have delayed rendering. Assuming you've vsync disabled or at least adaptive on the card set and a display that can take the load too?

BTW, 7-9 mb upload is awesome. That's hard to do without fios.

Just for perspective... I'm running NVIDIA 780ti but on a 4 year old workstation MB. 2 socket Xeon quad core (16 logical). I run ultra on everything, but have grass turned off and my FPS averages around 50.

I do know that there is a delayed loading of the world in ESO and my believe is that this is part of the design rather than a machines ability to keep up. I do think there is a perf issue with the games ability to load the world when traveling. A lot of people consistently crash when traveling fast (self included). So they game certainly could be optimized.

Maybe someone else will see your thread and have some ideas...

Wily_Wizard · May 2015

You have a sweet system! I'm with you, I rather doubt the delay is anything to do with your setup, its most likely to do with game optimization, etc.

Im similar to Sacadon, whenever I go too fast, the screen seems to stutter a bit.

Netswine · May 2015

At 1080p, my GTX 980 sits at 50% in the capital cities at primetime. My 2500k 4.5Ghz sits at a comfortable 30% (a bit more with core parking off). I average 30-60 FPS (vsync) unstable.

SapphireThunder · May 2015

Uhh....I would say it's 99% your gpu's fault.

Is yours a DDR3 or GDDR5? Also is it a single slot or does it take 2 slots from the back of case?

Either way, the memory in it is way too slow so your gpu is bottlenecking all other. It can't load textures fast enough.

I'm not going to sugarcoat the fact:
You wasted your money when you bought a GT 740 which is LOW-END MULTIMEDIA CARD.
4Gb is USELESS on it. Even 2GB is somehow useless for it. It can never run a game that takes more than 1.5Gb VRAM and still have acceptable framerate.
You already need to upgrade it.

This is your card's performance score:
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GT+740&id=2883

This is GTX 750:
http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+GTX+750&id=2825

GTX750 SC 2Gb costs less than GT740 SC 4GB.

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Tashira · May 2015

LOL I love how you are so quick to point out the memory is too slow on the GPU when in fact you asked what memory is it and then proceeded down your illogical path of the memory is the issue.

You links are showing a standard 740 with no super clock nor what type of memory. You should be a little more knowledgeable before going and sticking your foot in mouth.

You should also show stats for the correct card and not try and show information that supports your simplistic points.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1060536-REG/evga_04g_p4_3748_kr_geforce_gt_740_superclocked.html if you must know - GDDR5 and dual slot

Also being a *** isn't a good sign of your thought out perceived knowledge.... so let that sink in

SapphireThunder · May 2015

Tashira wrote: »

LOL I love how you are so quick to point out the memory is too slow on the GPU when in fact you asked what memory is it and then proceeded down your illogical path of the memory is the issue.

You links are showing a standard 740 with no super clock nor what type of memory. You should be a little more knowledgeable before going and sticking your foot in mouth.

You should also show stats for the correct card and not try and show information that supports your simplistic points.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1060536-REG/evga_04g_p4_3748_kr_geforce_gt_740_superclocked.html if you must know - GDDR5 and dual slot

Also being a *** isn't a good sign of your thought out perceived knowledge.... so let that sink in

There is very little difference between Super-Clocked and normal. Only maximum 90Mhz. That doesn't do a big difference in score. Only up to 100 higher.
And the test is made in a program which doesn't take the memory type in consideration. Only the pure computing power.

The Pixel rate in GT 740 is about 8.68 GPixels/s while GTX 750 has 16.3.
Meaning it is almost 2 times slower in pixel counting.

Tashira · May 2015

If you are looking for max end then yes but I am not looking for max end all to be all...

Further every other MMO that I play can be run on high with no issues.A ll can be run fine on my system with the exception of ESO. SWTOR, WOW, TERA, LOTRO, ... etc.

As can be seen in many posts, they are taking a 32 bit game and trying to add in features and make it work with high end rigs... doubt me look at the numerous posts.

We know the graphics engine in ESO is a dated reused engine or one of the own design depending on the articles .... See the links

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/102820/eso-using-hero-engine-and-havok-seriously-you-lied-to-us

Switch and bait BY ZOS about the hero engine from the start of the game

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/05/25/why-the-elder-scrolls-online-isn-39-t-using-heroengine.aspx

this thread was about problems with the game and graphics as of the patches to the justice system release......

further if you read the articles it will tell you tried they their own engine which is probably why we have such issues with the graphics and brittle code.

SapphireThunder · May 2015

Tashira wrote: »

Further every other MMO that I play can be run on high with no issues.A ll can be run fine on my system with the exception of ESO. SWTOR, WOW, TERA, LOTRO, ... etc.

Guess why is that?
SWTOR: came in 2011
WOW: came in 2004-2005
TERA: came in 2011
LOTRO: came in 2007.

Of course such older games run on high with no issues. All of them are older than the GT 740.
But a game like TESO has a lot more pixels to be counted.
So the low Pixel rate (8.68 GPixels/s) can show slow pixel load. This can be fixed by simply lowering graphics.
Maybe changing to DX9 from DX11 if it persists.

I'm not trying to be a ***, but just saying the truth straight up.
Your gpu is bad and will show some problems like that on newer games.
It is a bottleneck in your system, not able to count data fast enough compared to rest of your system.

Not to say that there isn't a fault in engine too, but for you majority of problem is the gpu. If you were to change to some other gpu of same price range, but which is for actual gaming, you wouldn't have same kind of problem even nearly as bad.

Tashira · May 2015

There are other games I run as well... RIFT, EVE, and WildStar to name a few.... Notice I said etc....

It is very interesting to note that all of these games do not have any of the graphics challenges of ESO

Just saying there seems to be a huge issues with graphics in the game when the standard fix is for you turn your graphics setting to low by the support staff.....

SapphireThunder · May 2015

Tashira wrote: »

There are other games I run as well... RIFT, EVE, and WildStar to name a few.... Notice I said etc....

It is very interesting to note that all of these games do not have any of the graphics challenges of ESO

Just saying there seems to be a huge issues with graphics in the game when the standard fix is for you turn your graphics setting to low by the support staff.....

RIFT: 2011
EVE: 2003
WildStar: 2014 but has quality of 2007-2010 basically.

And it's not an issue when the gpu used is too low performance in the first place.
However, there is a issue with new, higher end gpus not getting the performance they should.
Your gpu is higher than minimum but nowhere near recommended. (recommended is GTX 560/560Ti)
Yours is in between the minimum and recommended. While your cpu fills recommended easily.
Meaning you will be able to run somewhere around mid graphics, some at high some at low.
At which point the game will use just around 1Gb VRAM.

Netswine · May 2015

I have learned to suck it up and accept that I will sometimes get 30fps while playing ESO. I can Play FarCry4 evertything maxed at 80-100FPS, in the toughest battles in the middle of the densest forest, yet Wayrest during primetime makes me cry and call my mother.

Tashira · May 2015

@SapphireThunder

Having been in the IT data center industry and the software and hardware development area for numerous years the game is broken and issues based on either one of three things

1. inadequately trained developers
2. Inept Developers
3. Management that doesn't care about quality and is only worried about deadlines whether it works or not to hit a release date and make more money

If the game is saying that a GPU works based on testing then it should work without all of the glitches being seen.

When you have code that breaks the inherent laws of the operating system (32bit) and allocates more memory than it should from the heap, that is inept design or clear I don't care design of the developers

When you have a game that developers have clearly shown to have memory leaks and is documented by the developers and support staff and further to compound the situation with GPU memory leaks and overheating

not too mention the brittle code that every patch that is released bring back already fixed issues tells you there is inherent issues within the game.

Testing and QA clearly should have caught these issues especially the over allocation of memory.

When I watch my system running 64 bit and I see the memory climb to 4 GB and the handles increase past 4000 and the threads upwards of 1500, this tells me the coding has left process running that probably should have been closed off if they are not actually in use.

This tells me that the development of the game is suspect.

see threads below for memory issues

http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/26citz/temporary_fix_for_the_memory_leak_issue/

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/101745/gpu-overheating-and-memory-leaks-in-the-same-patch

In the end I like ESO a lot and I would hope they can get if fixed... I am still playing even with all of the issues.

Netswine · May 2015

I have also noticed some texture streaming issues lately, where high res textures take a while to load and pop in after a while. I have seen this mainly when talking to NPCs after getting off my horse. You can see their blurry low res armor texture suddenly go hi res.

LameoveR · May 2015

Make sure you have this string in usersettings.txt
SET GraphicsDriver.7 "D3D11"
With D3D9 driver it causes that issue.

Netswine · May 2015

LameoveR wrote: »

Make sure you have this string in usersettings.txt
SET GraphicsDriver.7 "D3D11"
With D3D9 driver it causes that issue.

Was this for me? I am, and have been using DirectX11 in usersettings.txt.

LameoveR · May 2015

Netswine wrote: »

LameoveR wrote: »

Make sure you have this string in usersettings.txt
SET GraphicsDriver.7 "D3D11"
With D3D9 driver it causes that issue.

Was this for me? I am, and have been using DirectX11 in usersettings.txt.

It was for OP.
In my experience, i have some issues using D3D9 driver.
Like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f_REIbMbYs
And this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK8Rkef6nuk

SapphireThunder · May 2015

Tashira wrote: »

If the game is saying that a GPU works based on testing then it should work without all of the glitches being seen.

When you have a game that developers have clearly shown to have memory leaks and is documented by the developers and support staff and further to compound the situation with GPU memory leaks and overheating

Just because they say it works, doesn't mean it will work without glitches. There is HUNDREDS, if not THOUSANDS of gpus between the minimum GeForce 8800 GT and Titan X (the most powerful gpu up-to-date)
They can't possibly have had ALL of them tested.
There will ALWAYS be glitches due to some gpu being an odd one. Like your 4Gb GT 740 SC.
It's slightly more power than regular GT 740, and has 4 times the usual memory. (1Gb is the normal, original amount for that card)

Not to mention there is million of cpu-gpu-motherboard-hard drive combinations.
They can't possibly know how it will behave in situation like yours.
IF the same problem happens even with something faster, like GTX 760, then you can say it's because of engine/code.

The tests have only been made on most common systems and then further estimated.
Each gaming experience varies part by part.

And about the memory leak, I haven't noticed anything of such so I can't say anything about it.
The game always uses the regular few Gb system RAM and few Gb Video RAM. Haven't noticed any overly high usage.

Thatusernameistaken · May 2015

It's a gt740 man. Come on. I love how it was pointed out to him how awful it is and he jsut won't accept it.
It's woefully underpowered, not meant for any real gaming. It's terrible.
Now...I doubt the texture glitch is due to it, but it would choke long before utilizing 4gb of vram. Wouldn't take alot for it to choke too.

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Tashira · May 2015

The video card has worked just fine for numerous game releases up until the release of the patch after the justice system. There was no issues until that maintenance patch.

There was no lag or rendering issues nor performance issues and it the graphics were being set and run on high.

If this is the case why is this happening since the release of the maintenance patches after the justice system release? This is a discussion about the game engine

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Thatusernameistaken · May 2015

Tashira wrote: »

The video card has worked just fine for numerous game releases up until the release of the patch after the justice system. There was no issues until that maintenance patch.

There was no lag or rendering issues nor performance issues and it the graphics were being set and run on high.

If this is the case why is this happening since the release of the maintenance patches after the justice system release? This is a discussion about the game engine

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There are many games you most definately will not play on high and I don't understand why you continue to defend this gpu which is blatantly not well suited for high settings.
gt740 is not well suited for gaming period let alone high settings. Not sure why you feel the need to exagerate it's power. THere isn't much to exagerate : /

Tashira · May 2015

SapphireThunder · May 2015

The thing is that a lot of those are, seemingly, different from YOUR problem.

Yours sounds like GPU's fault in every way.
If with the "patch" you are referring to the one which changed the game into Tamriel Unlimited and added justice system, it's all the extra stuff that got added so it may have slowed down the loading.
Thus in a weak card like yours, there is issues.

Tashira · May 2015

No it is the maintenance patch after that release. Everything ran fine before that on this card and a GT 650Ti as well.