Magicka Templar Healer/DPS VDSA

Islyn · May 2015

But the point is that he *IS posting his build from the perspective of the top ranking mana Templar* not for everyone ever.

Therefore your argument is invalid.

He is not saying: all new healers rock up to vdsa with this and faceroll. No.

He mentions his standing which gives you a basis for his build. He is not giving you a New Templar Build How-to.

Once again a lack of basic reading comprehension causes a whirlwind of hoo-ha.

Murmeltier · May 2015

Islyn wrote: »

Murmeltier wrote: »

Jaerlach wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

Jaerlach wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Katinas wrote: »

That's right, AOE is king in DSAV. So why would you use a single target dps skill which isn't even the best one you have available. And Blazing Spear on both weapon bars is beyond me.

Crushing Shock is used on certain rounds for interrupts and nothing more. So this may not be the best single target, but it has a secondary function which makes it attractive to use. Keeping Blazing on both bars allows me to not have to bar swap as often if something comes up. You may not agree, but it works for me.

I do not use it (healer) but I might - on final boss in round 7. I usually bash there for interrupt - for one example. I would type more but on my phone is a pita.

I've found that it's actually helpful on several rounds. 3 all rounds for Nereids, 6 boss round, 7 boss round, 8 boss round, and any level with an archer or mage to interrupt.

Yeah I can see all that and thanks - I tend to often run dbl restos out of habit - but considering trying some of your ideas but yes - I tend to throw shards on neriads (it works) and bash other stuff or shards depending if little or big ;-) but I do have CS leveled and destro etc (mine has poison glyph though) and often dps too - so I might see if my guys will mind my trying your way. I also have pretty much same build as you too.

I also off tank final boss but really wanna try nuke method.

Thanks again for sharing :-)

Resto staff is just so bad in dsa.

xD thanks? lol Seriously ty - and y of you aren't using for RR or HS maybe do not need at all. As I say - I just still use em out of habit :-)

Yep, unnecessary and springs requires bad group positioning

Interesting Idea, i will tell this to my Group "Hey People, stack and bomb the Mobs without Healing Springs", i think they doesnt like this. We pull all together at the Dwemers, all 3 Robots & Mages etc, try to heal this with a Burstheal. Or in the Swamp. Maybe it works for some Groups but they need to train this hard.

I dont say it couldnt work, but i know the healing Spring is very important if the Groupmembers stay at one Point because the Damage is too high.

As I have already said we already do not even HS in there. I think maybe your group synergy needs work.

Yes, that could be. But then we play like a Ballet, every Move on the right Time and if not, we can restart. Not our Playstyle, because our Sets and Builds are more balanced, so we can survive chaotic Situations.

But, if we want to get better Times, we need to train the Synergies & Ultis, thats right.

rokrdt05 · May 2015

Murmeltier wrote: »

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Hello Everyone!

As the current top ranked magicka templar many people have been asking about my current set up that I run for VDSA, so I figured I would post my build. Keep in mind this is not anything new and some of the other top DC healers run similar or varying builds like Louu or Blizaria.

First, i think it is irritating if you say "as the current top ranked magicka Templar". Better is you say, as a magicka Templar that have reached a top Rank with a top Group, in whatever. So all know that is the top Teamwork who bring good Points, and not only one Person. Anf if, for an Example, a Templar finish the Boss with a good Raid in Sanctum-Hardmode, it doesnt means he is a top Healer then. He is "only" a top ranked Templar in Sanctum, ok^^?

The forum discussion is revolved around VDSA. I am currently the top player for my class/role in this instance. I say current because that can change and it most likely will. This is a very competitive instance and our group as already been beaten once. The others in my group can say the same for themselves. The point of this post was not to brag, but to post a build that people have been asking about. You are taking what I said out of context. Yes, I could have said what you recommended but what I said gives merit to my build that is does work.

Murmeltier · May 2015

Islyn wrote: »

But the point is that he *IS posting his build from the perspective of the top ranking mana Templar* not for everyone ever.

Therefore your argument is invalid.

He is not saying: all new healers rock up to vdsa with this and faceroll. No.

He mentions his standing which gives you a basis for his build. He is not giving you a New Templar Build How-to.

Once again a lack of basic reading comprehension causes a whirlwind of hoo-ha.

Sure, English isnt my first Language, yes thats right but my Arguments are not bad. We can talk about some different Line of Sights and if not, it is ok for me too.

I tried to explain where i see Problems, and i do my own Math. Maybe this is irritating you, because your System works different.

So, maybe we can stay all cool and if you doesnt like my Text, feel free to do so.

Islyn · May 2015

Murmeltier wrote: »

Islyn wrote: »

But the point is that he *IS posting his build from the perspective of the top ranking mana Templar* not for everyone ever.

Therefore your argument is invalid.

He is not saying: all new healers rock up to vdsa with this and faceroll. No.

He mentions his standing which gives you a basis for his build. He is not giving you a New Templar Build How-to.

Once again a lack of basic reading comprehension causes a whirlwind of hoo-ha.

Sure, English isnt my first Language, yes thats right but my Arguments are not bad. We can talk about some different Line of Sights and if not, it is ok for me too.

I tried to explain where i see Problems, and i do my own Math. Maybe this is irritating you, because your System works different.

So, maybe we can stay all cool and if you doesnt like my Text, feel free to do so.

I did not mean to offend.

See it like this:
A world-class brain surgeon will write a different paper on brain surgery than a first year resident.

Neither paper is wrong - they are just intended for different audiences.

I only state that op presents his build based upon certain credentials - given that fact - we can read from that point of view.

Best wishes,
Isy

Islyn · May 2015

One more thing;
This particular post (the op) has been the first in a long time that has actually made me think about my own build and feel the inclination to try and change it up a bit.

I am actually really grateful that I logged in here today.

Makes a real positive change from a lot of the stuff going on in the forums.

So thanks. Really.

Jaerlach · May 2015

Islyn wrote: »

One more thing;
This particular post (the op) has been the first in a long time that has actually made me think about my own build and feel the inclination to try and change it up a bit.

I am actually really grateful that I logged in here today.

Makes a real positive change from a lot of the stuff going on in the forums.

So thanks. Really.

Yay!

Moezilla · May 2015

Murmeltier wrote: »

except your Group moves so perfectly that you doesnt need to heal them too often.

Yea, thats also another factor.

Moezilla · May 2015

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

VDSA Record Holder: "This is my build".

Forum: "You're doing it wrong".

Now go and tell Hussain Bolt his technique is rubbish.

We just became best friends. Love this.

Drasn · May 2015

I use something similar currently.

Rings x 2, Gloves (Syrabane)
Neck, Boots (Adroitness)
Helm, Shoulders, Pants, Belt (Martial Knowledge)
Chest(Heavy), Sword x3, Shield (Torug's Pact) (All Nirnhoned)

Bar 1 - Breath of Life, Purifying Ritual, Blazing Spear, Repentance, Inner Light, Ice Comet
Bar 2 - Breath of Life, Channeled Focus, Radiant Oppression, FLEX, Inner Light, Empowering Sweep(For Crit Bonuses)

I carry a destro staff and resto staff as well, but rarely use them. I bash/blazing interrupt over C. Shock.

To those saying you need a resto staff to heal, I say this: Only if you aren't a Templar.

As a side note:

You can also heal VDSA just as effectively using:
Stormknight x4, Magus x5, Syrabane x3 (5 heavy, 2 light)

This gives you the same healing capabilities and a ton more protection at the cost of DPS(Spell Pen from light armor)

Addihul · May 2015

Brain dump incoming. All jewelry here is gold. 2-400k each on the neck and rings alone on the N/A server. Not a huge bonus from purple, but it's worth it if you have the gold and you're looking at going top tier. All gear including weapons and enchants are gold. Mage Mundus is being used here. Not sure if that was mentioned.This build also utilizes pots exclusively.

Single target weave (stage 1-9) here I believe is shards, LA, CS, LA, CS, LA, CS, LA, CS (repeat).. radiant @ execute. Same weave for stage 10 but with Flare and one less rotation due to Flare cast time. Though most mobs won't see you last even a single full rotation of course. Nifty mentioned vamp bane instead of 2nd spears. Possible to lose shards/bane for entropy to lessen the need for crit pots. Also more magika here and it can stay up indefinitely very easily. That means meteor would have to go and crescent sweep would come in for the 10% spears passive. Iffy..

Precise on the the swords is a preference to of course reach 50% but I'd like to see how nirn or sharpened works for those. I may test that out tonight. I understand your thoughts on nirn and the nerf coming to it soon so nirn testing may be pointless for the long term.

Note to readers, to sustain this kind of DPS you're looking at putting a ton of points in to Thaumaturge. I believe you mentioned around 200 CP. Can see some real noticeable magika dmg boost around 150ish CP.

Martial shoulders, gloves, legs, and shoes seem like a better option. Healer Head and sash. A couple of those are interchangeable. Not sure why reinforced at all except for on the heavy chest piece. We're talking less than half a percent of armor? Since we roll mage mundus, the returns from divines will even out'ish with infused since the enchants are magika.

Lastly, if I recall. Extended ritual goes down in stage 10 on the 50/25 pull followed by 2x BoLs, followed by 1x BoL after the explosion. No consistent healing needed for the burn phase at all since fire never comes out.

rokrdt05 · May 2015

Addihul wrote: »

Brain dump incoming. All jewelry here is gold. 2-400k each on the neck and rings alone on the N/A server. Not a huge bonus from purple, but it's worth it if you have the gold and you're looking at going top tier. All gear including weapons and enchants are gold. Mage Mundus is being used here. Not sure if that was mentioned.This build also utilizes pots exclusively.

Single target weave (stage 1-9) here I believe is shards, LA, CS, LA, CS, LA, CS, LA, CS (repeat).. radiant @ execute. Same weave for stage 10 but with Flare and one less rotation due to Flare cast time. Though most mobs won't see you last even a single full rotation of course. Nifty mentioned vamp bane instead of 2nd spears. Possible to lose shards/bane for entropy to lessen the need for crit pots. Also more magika here and it can stay up indefinitely very easily. That means meteor would have to go and crescent sweep would come in for the 10% spears passive. Iffy..

Precise on the the swords is a preference to of course reach 50% but I'd like to see how nirn or sharpened works for those. I may test that out tonight. I understand your thoughts on nirn and the nerf coming to it soon so nirn testing may be pointless for the long term.

Note to readers, to sustain this kind of DPS you're looking at putting a ton of points in to Thaumaturge. I believe you mentioned around 200 CP. Can see some real noticeable magika dmg boost around 150ish CP.

Martial shoulders, gloves, legs, and shoes seem like a better option. Healer Head and sash. A couple of those are interchangeable. Not sure why reinforced at all except for on the heavy chest piece. We're talking less than half a percent of armor? Since we roll mage mundus, the returns from divines will even out'ish with infused since the enchants are magika.

Lastly, if I recall. Extended ritual goes down in stage 10 on the 50/25 pull followed by 2x BoLs, followed by 1x BoL after the explosion. No consistent healing needed for the burn phase at all since fire never comes out.

Thank you Pevara. I did leave some things out that I had forgotten to mention. So you filled in some gaps that may have confused some people. I did test sharpened on the swords and was consistently doing less dps. I will test nirnhoned next. I like reinforced on the chest got the additional armor it provides.

Benawaw89 · May 2015

btw your #1 world, gone already , sorry

now the best ist 11.319 . enjoy ^^

rokrdt05 · May 2015

Benawaw89 wrote: »

btw your #1 world, gone already , sorry

now the best ist 11.319 . enjoy ^^

lol no it's not. We got the new world record... again. 44:27 11342

Here is the post on it...

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/169975/ladies-and-gentlemen-we-did-it-again-world-1st-vetdsa-score#latest

Benawaw89 · May 2015

ahhh my bad than . but that s not even my score thou. we gonna try beat tommorow, maybe . :P GZ thou

rokrdt05 · May 2015

Benawaw89 wrote: »

ahhh my bad than . but that s not even my score thou. we gonna try beat tommorow, maybe . :P GZ thou

Please do! We actually like it when someone beats us, because it gives us more motivation to go back in and do better.

Curragraigue · May 2015

Curious OP have you tested to see whether the 5 piece set bonus from healer is better than having the spell power bonuses from Cyrodiil's Light rings and Adroitness neck and one piece clothing combined with the Martial and Torug's you are already wearing? I've often had the internal debate about which to wear so just wondering if someone has tested it to see. I usually go the healer set when main heals and Cyrodiil's Light set up when DPS.

rokrdt05 · May 2015

Curragraigue wrote: »

Curious OP have you tested to see whether the 5 piece set bonus from healer is better than having the spell power bonuses from Cyrodiil's Light rings and Adroitness neck and one piece clothing combined with the Martial and Torug's you are already wearing? I've often had the internal debate about which to wear so just wondering if someone has tested it to see. I usually go the healer set when main heals and Cyrodiil's Light set up when DPS.

At that point you are going for a full DPS spec imo. I like healer for the simple fact you can get ALL pieces gold and for healing it adds that 8%. My tooltip on Breath of Life reads 10311 with healer on. If I went full DPS, I would certainly switch to those sets or something similar. (I already have those sets for a DPS set up)

stonerskate109 · October 2015

I'm a magicka templar and sit at 2933 spell damage now unbuffed

stonerskate109 · October 2015

rokrdt05 · October 2015

stonerskate109 wrote: »

I'm a magicka templar and sit at 2933 spell damage now unbuffed

I believe it. It's easier to reach that now with the new sets.

This build was made prior to Imperial City.