Sick of being a paper target for 1s kills

eliisra · May 2015

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

so you got wb and then soul harvested via stealth.

use detect pots and stand in caltrops

How is that suppose to help lol. There's no such thing as 100% uptime on detection pots or flare for that matter. You use these tools pro-actively when you suspect there's a ganker nearby. Something OP clearly had no clue about or he would have prepared accordingly. That's kind of the point of ganking, you do it when the target is unsuspecting. Not when the enemy is spamming shields, flares, heals and standing in caltrops while constantly looking around.

Neither can you cover the entire area in caltrops, to prevent getting jumped. Doesn't prevent any 50+ meters snipes either. You can stand in them sure, to prevent mele gankers briefly. But magicka builds cant waste over half their stamina pool to spit out new caltrops as soon as they take a few steps forward.

There's only solution. Always be in a group with quick reactive healers. That or play ganker yourself. TTK and burst is just way out of control right now.

pppontus · May 2015

Rook_Master wrote: »

Isbilen wrote: »

You know the Nightblade burst is out of control when some of them are able to take down 27K health on someone in heavy armor before the game is even able to register it:

The absurdity of those tooltips on the recap amuses me.

They should add some more relevant ones to the tooltips. Here are some examples:

"Sometimes when Camo Hunter Procs on Focused Aim from Stealth it gives such a ridiculous burst that the game doesn't even include it in the recap."

"When you run into a zerg spamming Vigor and Steel Tornado, try forcing PUGs to get into your TeamSpeak so that you can have enough people spamming AoEs more closely to counter it."

"If you're a Templar, try becoming a Vampire so that you actually have some sort of escape."

Or just

"We're terribly sorry that PvP in this game is awful, but rest assured we will still be releasing the game on Consoles on June 9th."

Ezareth · May 2015

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

so you got wb and then soul harvested via stealth.

use detect pots and stand in caltrops

LOL. Some of these NBs....

I tried playing on my Sorc last night to use up a days worth of enlightenment. First death > Fear, I instantly broke yet all of my abilities were still greyed out. Died. Second death, magnum shot stunned for full duration with 100% stamina couldn't break free> dead. Third death Instagibbed from stealth Lethal arrow for 16K. Fourth death ganked on my horse....took me 2 seconds to dismount(lol) by the time I dismounted with 30% health the only ability that worked was overload light attacks (couldn't even shield) > dead.

Each and every time I died my weapon swap was broken and I couldn't transit until I facerolled my keyboard for awhile and of course....stuck in combat.. Said screw it I'm going to BWB to play on my NB.

Had some fun wrecking sorcs for awhile then feared through the world and called it a night.

PvP is just a joke any more. It's all about instagibbing people and spamming CC until you bug it out any more. You spend 95% of your time doing things you hate, are frustrating or are boring for the 5% of time that you're actually doing.

I guarantee I'm not going to be waiting around for them to fix this game if they ever do. 4+ months of PvP with broken traits, lag, bugs and PvE that hasn't had an real addition in what 6-8 months? Complete lack of real communication from the dev team on anything of importance. Has there ever been an MMO with a track record this bad?

pppontus · May 2015

Additionally it seems pretty clear that ZOS thinks all players will play with weird hybrid builds with tons of health, like BBW stats 28/17/17.. when it comes down to balancing changes. When in reality everyone will run 17/40/9 and two shot people instead..

Lorkhan · May 2015

we can learn something here:
dont stand visible looking your map outside keeps.
everybody can be stealth, u know?
do you wanna ride lightly your horse, without worries? go pve

Oughash · May 2015

@Ezareth CU Beta this August

pppontus · May 2015

Lorkhan wrote: »

we can learn something here:
dont stand visible looking your map outside keeps.
everybody can be stealth, u know?
do you wanna ride lightly your horse, without worries? go pve

So everyone sitting in stealth is a fun game?

Nope, it isn't. I go to pvp to do pvp, so I don't stealth gank because part of pvp is fighting against an enemy that can fight back.. otherwise what's the point?

You wanna fight enemies that don't fight back? Go pve.

Lorkhan · May 2015

i bet you set a build to tank, right?

edit: if you want to stay visible like a bait, hold block

Ezareth · May 2015

Ishammael wrote: »

@Ezareth CU Beta this August

Yeah I'll check it out. I have The Witcher 3 coming in 12 days and Starcraft II Legacy of the Void beta to play until then.

Lorkhan · May 2015

relax, i bet they will nerf stealth damage again very soon.

pppontus · May 2015

Lorkhan wrote: »

i bet you set a build to tank, right?

I have no idea what you're saying, sorry. If you're asking if I'm a tank, then no, if I was I couldn't kill anyone fast enough in Elder Burst Kill Online. I do however often wear 5/7 heavy armor, and then I only get sniped for 15K + 7K Camo Hunter from stealth. Sounds good right?

I'm actually thinking about going with a full out stealth gank build just to *** people off as much as possible so that maybe, just maybe, ZOS will fix something for once. Sadly it is just too *** boring.

Lorkhan · May 2015

pppontus wrote: »

Lorkhan wrote: »

i bet you set a build to tank, right?

I have no idea what you're saying, sorry. If you're asking if I'm a tank, then no, if I was I couldn't kill anyone fast enough in Elder Burst Kill Online. I do however often wear 5/7 heavy armor, and then I only get sniped for 15K + 7K Camo Hunter from stealth. Sounds good right?

I'm actually thinking about going with a full out stealth gank build just to *** people off as much as possible so that maybe, just maybe, ZOS will fix something for once. Sadly it is just too *** boring.

there is a sound before snipe hits you: hold block

pppontus · May 2015

Lorkhan wrote: »

pppontus wrote: »

Lorkhan wrote: »

i bet you set a build to tank, right?

I have no idea what you're saying, sorry. If you're asking if I'm a tank, then no, if I was I couldn't kill anyone fast enough in Elder Burst Kill Online. I do however often wear 5/7 heavy armor, and then I only get sniped for 15K + 7K Camo Hunter from stealth. Sounds good right?

I'm actually thinking about going with a full out stealth gank build just to *** people off as much as possible so that maybe, just maybe, ZOS will fix something for once. Sadly it is just too *** boring.

there is a sound before snipe hits you: hold block

Sometimes, sometimes there isn't. Plus the noskill lolsnipers that do this usually wait until you're already in a fight with someone else, because they are too afraid that you will fight back.

Edit: Just so you're aware, you can't educate me on this. Trust me, I know what there is to know about the mechanics of these skills, sounds and counters. If you think that it's fun that fights end in an avg. of 3,4 seconds - you're entitled to your opinion. I don't find that fun at all and I will continue complaining about this until it's either fixed or I quit the game.

Etaniel · May 2015

pppontus wrote: »

Lorkhan wrote: »

pppontus wrote: »

Lorkhan wrote: »

i bet you set a build to tank, right?

I have no idea what you're saying, sorry. If you're asking if I'm a tank, then no, if I was I couldn't kill anyone fast enough in Elder Burst Kill Online. I do however often wear 5/7 heavy armor, and then I only get sniped for 15K + 7K Camo Hunter from stealth. Sounds good right?

I'm actually thinking about going with a full out stealth gank build just to *** people off as much as possible so that maybe, just maybe, ZOS will fix something for once. Sadly it is just too *** boring.

there is a sound before snipe hits you: hold block

Sometimes, sometimes there isn't. Plus the noskill lolsnipers that do this usually wait until you're already in a fight with someone else, because they are too afraid that you will fight back.

Edit: Just so you're aware, you can't educate me on this. Trust me, I know what there is to know about the mechanics of these skills, sounds and counters. If you think that it's fun that fights end in an avg. of 3,4 seconds - you're entitled to your opinion. I don't find that fun at all and I will continue complaining about this until it's either fixed or I quit the game.

I will stand beside you and complain as well !

Oughash · May 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

@Ezareth CU Beta this August

Yeah I'll check it out. I have The Witcher 3 coming in 12 days and Starcraft II Legacy of the Void beta to play until then.

Blarg, I played StarCraft for nearly a decade. Burned out on that. I still haven't played Dragon Age: Inquisition, though.

Araxleon · May 2015

ESO tip of the day: When facing tough enemies consider bringing a friend.

Lorkhan · May 2015

i remember old times 2vs2 arena pvp in wow, some fights could last forever, no bs. that was the boredom.
people just give up after 30 minutes trying to kill each other with no results.

yes, i prefer a low ttk, but i see your point.
the balance btw burst builds vs sustain builds is very complex.

Soulac · May 2015

If they don´t have a way to kill you in a matter of seconds, how should they be able to kill you at all if a simple block or shield is already enough?
Just saying.. even if i don´t like this snipe oneshot thing.

VincentBlanquin · May 2015

today i just killing imperials alongside with enemy player. dont bother attacking, )))))

Sacadon · May 2015

Ezareth wrote: »

Ifthir_ESO wrote: »

so you got wb and then soul harvested via stealth.

use detect pots and stand in caltrops

LOL. Some of these NBs....

I tried playing on my Sorc last night to use up a days worth of enlightenment. First death > Fear, I instantly broke yet all of my abilities were still greyed out. Died. Second death, magnum shot stunned for full duration with 100% stamina couldn't break free> dead. Third death Instagibbed from stealth Lethal arrow for 16K. Fourth death ganked on my horse....took me 2 seconds to dismount(lol) by the time I dismounted with 30% health the only ability that worked was overload light attacks (couldn't even shield) > dead.

Each and every time I died my weapon swap was broken and I couldn't transit until I facerolled my keyboard for awhile and of course....stuck in combat.. Said screw it I'm going to BWB to play on my NB.

Had some fun wrecking sorcs for awhile then feared through the world and called it a night.

PvP is just a joke any more. It's all about instagibbing people and spamming CC until you bug it out any more. You spend 95% of your time doing things you hate, are frustrating or are boring for the 5% of time that you're actually doing.

I guarantee I'm not going to be waiting around for them to fix this game if they ever do. 4+ months of PvP with broken traits, lag, bugs and PvE that hasn't had an real addition in what 6-8 months? Complete lack of real communication from the dev team on anything of importance. Has there ever been an MMO with a track record this bad?

^^ bolded is the one that gets to me the most. I know they're barely treading water right now, and that they're not going to unwind in 6 months the problems they created in 2 years, but the FU that they continue to give us players by going silent for weeks on end is inexcusable, period.

Snit · May 2015

I like the stealth-based, short-TTK gameplay.

I may be alone in this, or at least in the minority, but I find it tense, tactical and fun. It's like the genre of FPS games where one bullet will probably kill you, so you have to play with caution at all times. All the more so as I know that I can adjust my build and my behavior to impact my own TTL, if I need to.

Obviously, many folks differ. There's a whole range of MMO PvP ranging from E-Sport/ Arena/ BG's to the glorious mess of 'tactical warfare simulation, sorta' represented by Cyrodiil. Speaking solely for myself, 90% of my issues with Cyrodiil would vanish if the servers could handle the population.

Huntler · May 2015

Snit wrote: »

I like the stealth-based, short-TTK gameplay.

I may be alone in this, or at least in the minority, but I find it tense, tactical and fun. It's like the genre of FPS games where one bullet will probably kill you, so you have to play with caution at all times. All the more so as I know that I can adjust my build and my behavior to impact my own TTL, if I need to.

Obviously, many folks differ. There's a whole range of MMO PvP ranging from E-Sport/ Arena/ BG's to the glorious mess of 'tactical warfare simulation, sorta' represented by Cyrodiil. Speaking solely for myself, 90% of my issues with Cyrodiil would vanish if the servers could handle the population.

tactical play... SMH

SHADOW2KK · May 2015

Snit wrote: »

I like the stealth-based, short-TTK gameplay.

I may be alone in this, or at least in the minority, but I find it tense, tactical and fun. It's like the genre of FPS games where one bullet will probably kill you, so you have to play with caution at all times. All the more so as I know that I can adjust my build and my behavior to impact my own TTL, if I need to.

Obviously, many folks differ. There's a whole range of MMO PvP ranging from E-Sport/ Arena/ BG's to the glorious mess of 'tactical warfare simulation, sorta' represented by Cyrodiil. Speaking solely for myself, 90% of my issues with Cyrodiil would vanish if the servers could handle the population.

You are not alone mate, I come from a strong FPS/Strategy gaming background, or Splinter Cell style games, and in HC mode its better IMO, and to play in softcore or noobcore as I call it, is less skillful, as in FPS games, one bullet can kill you, and to play with skill and caution, instead of spraying.

Just a question of adapting game behaviour and build to a ever dynamic combat setting.

And agreed on the servers being able to handle population and as much of a stable gaming experience as possible server side.

Snit · May 2015

pppontus wrote: »

Additionally it seems pretty clear that ZOS thinks all players will play with weird hybrid builds with tons of health, like BBW stats 28/17/17.. when it comes down to balancing changes. When in reality everyone will run 17/40/9 and two shot people instead..

Players who do also Vet Dungeons will usually have 20 - 30 points in health. At least, I've found that necessary to keep my sorc at 20 - 22k health (with food) there. I think ZOS expects most people will not go zero points into health, as many do here.

When I have run with 62 points in Magicka and a cloth chest, I got ganked a lot more. I find that running a more balanced build (including heavy chest and a medium hat) lets me survive the initial burst. Combined with a nearly maxxed mount, that means I often survive gank attempts. At the very least, I'm rarely dead before I have some chance to dismount and fight back.

Agrippa_Invisus · May 2015

Snit wrote: »

I like the stealth-based, short-TTK gameplay.

I may be alone in this, or at least in the minority, but I find it tense, tactical and fun. It's like the genre of FPS games where one bullet will probably kill you, so you have to play with caution at all times. All the more so as I know that I can adjust my build and my behavior to impact my own TTL, if I need to.

Obviously, many folks differ. There's a whole range of MMO PvP ranging from E-Sport/ Arena/ BG's to the glorious mess of 'tactical warfare simulation, sorta' represented by Cyrodiil. Speaking solely for myself, 90% of my issues with Cyrodiil would vanish if the servers could handle the population.

IMO, most people do not like that type of gameplay. That's why they're playing an MMO and not playing CS:GO or CoD or TF2.

The resurgence is popularity of Blackwater Blade recently is a prime example as to what players want -- less burst, more tactical gameplay that requires thought.

If I wanted instagibbing, I'd go play a shooter.

Huntler · May 2015

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

I like the stealth-based, short-TTK gameplay.

I may be alone in this, or at least in the minority, but I find it tense, tactical and fun. It's like the genre of FPS games where one bullet will probably kill you, so you have to play with caution at all times. All the more so as I know that I can adjust my build and my behavior to impact my own TTL, if I need to.

Obviously, many folks differ. There's a whole range of MMO PvP ranging from E-Sport/ Arena/ BG's to the glorious mess of 'tactical warfare simulation, sorta' represented by Cyrodiil. Speaking solely for myself, 90% of my issues with Cyrodiil would vanish if the servers could handle the population.

You are not alone mate, I come from a strong FPS/Strategy gaming background, or Splinter Cell style games, and in HC mode its better IMO, and to play in softcore or noobcore as I call it, is less skillful, as in FPS games, one bullet can kill you, and to play with skill and caution, instead of spraying.

Just a question of adapting game behaviour and build to a ever dynamic combat setting.

And agreed on the servers being able to handle population and as much of a stable gaming experience as possible server side.

Dying or killing with 1 hit is not skill. This is an MMO. Go play FPS please.

FENGRUSH · May 2015

FENGRUSH never dies to 1 hits.

You guys might need to get a bit faster at the keyboard level.

Snit · May 2015

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

IMO, most people do not like that type of gameplay. That's why they're playing an MMO and not playing CS:GO or CoD or TF2.

Yes, I suspect you are right. I doubt I'm in the majority on this issue.

pppontus · May 2015

Soulac wrote: »

If they don´t have a way to kill you in a matter of seconds, how should they be able to kill you at all if a simple block or shield is already enough?
Just saying.. even if i don´t like this snipe oneshot thing.

I agree there's a fine line between too long and too short TTK, but I think in general it's too short now which is heavily amplified by certain types of damage stacking, empower buffs and stealth bonus buffs. I would say dial down the overall damage by ~10-20%, give us the old HP ratio, and remove the crazy % stacking on certain buffs. That + a nirnhoned fix would IMO be better, and then tweak from there if it's still too high or if it's too low instead.

More "rounded" play should be possible rather than as now where you really have to go 100% tank, 100% mobility or 100% burst - or join the zerg. Plus the short TTK makes skill matter less in 1vX situations IMO, as it tips the odds in favour of numbers more than "smart play".

SHADOW2KK · May 2015

Huntler wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

I like the stealth-based, short-TTK gameplay.

I may be alone in this, or at least in the minority, but I find it tense, tactical and fun. It's like the genre of FPS games where one bullet will probably kill you, so you have to play with caution at all times. All the more so as I know that I can adjust my build and my behavior to impact my own TTL, if I need to.

Obviously, many folks differ. There's a whole range of MMO PvP ranging from E-Sport/ Arena/ BG's to the glorious mess of 'tactical warfare simulation, sorta' represented by Cyrodiil. Speaking solely for myself, 90% of my issues with Cyrodiil would vanish if the servers could handle the population.

You are not alone mate, I come from a strong FPS/Strategy gaming background, or Splinter Cell style games, and in HC mode its better IMO, and to play in softcore or noobcore as I call it, is less skillful, as in FPS games, one bullet can kill you, and to play with skill and caution, instead of spraying.

Just a question of adapting game behaviour and build to a ever dynamic combat setting.

And agreed on the servers being able to handle population and as much of a stable gaming experience as possible server side.

Dying or killing with 1 hit is not skill. This is an MMO. Go play FPS please.

Stealth based combat within the parameters of existing combat within PvP is intense, and knowing that you may be lit up by some archer or jesus beam player can add to the immersion, and I am fully aware that this is a MMO, and there is absolutely nothing even remotely resembling realism on the game, and I shall play whatever I wish, so do not tell me what to do sir.

And you clearly did not understand my point anyway, in other genres 1 hit kills can be skillful, on this particular game it is not, but it still does not take away the intensity of knowing you can be killed at any time from the game, and considering this is in a laughable wartime setting, then that is the risk you take.

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