DONE WITH PVP! / NO FUN! - (Newcomers vs. Veterans)
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VincentBlanquin✭✭✭yes, because of champion points, you should be underdog like forever. another thing is some builds have access to amazing damage powers, some dont, you can reconsider that, before you stick to weapons ....
i am finally vr14 but sometimes i even dont fight back when ganked, whats the point will be killed in 2 seconds or in 5 seconds? ....Edited by VincentBlanquin on May 6, 2015 6:09PMIrwen Vincinter - Nord - Dragonknight
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cozmon3c_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Well, i get one shot a lot too, and im V14 with some of the best gear in the game, its just part of the game now. atleast until they do another balance update slated sometime after console release.Guild UMBRA Chapter Lead
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AoE grind zone mobs. Each zone has areas where you can do this and being able to grind equal level mobs puts you at an exp advantage of VR14 chars who can only grind VR10 + VR12 mobs.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
That's what makes me the most sad. Clearly a lot of honest and well-meant effort was put into 1.6, but it's also pretty clear that it was incredibly rushed in order to meet a certain deadline.mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »Well a lot of us called it when the Champion System was announced, that the gap between future new players and old-timers will be too high to bridge. Thus frustrating the new players hugely.
Take a new inexperienced player with a v1 character, 0 CPs and some crafted sets. Now put him against an experienced player with legendary end-game sets, 300 CPs and all the Undaunted and Alliance War passives and skills.
The gap is not just big, it's huge and it's only going to increase. Hence why I thought that 1.5 did need tweaks but it was closer to balance compare to what we have now.
Plus while PvP was laggy in 1.5 it was somehow better than it is now, surprisingly. There are more zergs and more lag making it a torture to play at primetime.
They are planning on putting in some CP "Gap closers" to adjust this over time to allow newer players a chance to "Catch up". Like have the first 400 champion points only take 100K exp instead of 400K etc.
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The vet campaigns are pure garbage. they are nothing but zerg blobbing, intense lag, and an utter and complete lack of balance(infinite resource builds, the nirnhoned crisis(yes it is a crisis) the insane burst damage, meteor spam, issues with CC being much more prevalent, population issues, buff servers/gate camping.. yeah, you get my point) I last tried it about a few weeks ago, and could not stand it. If that means I suck... so be it.
the grind to VR14 sucks. Once one leaves BB, they must either be close to max rank, or be VERY good(I mean Sypher level good) at the game to do anything besides using a treb all day or healing. the game has developed into too much of a grind in my opinion, and it is detrimental to the game.
blackwater blade is the last fun PvP experience in this game. Do what me and Kijima have been doing and keep making new characters for it when you level out. Hopefully the vet servers get fixed soon. I WANT to play in them, but i refuse to torture myself by playing them in their current state.
The last time vet campaigns were truly any fun was wabbajack... that's how long ago it was.
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The vet campaigns are pure garbage. they are nothing but zerg blobbing, intense lag, and an utter and complete lack of balance(infinite resource builds, the nirnhoned crisis(yes it is a crisis) the insane burst damage, meteor spam, issues with CC being much more prevalent, population issues, buff servers/gate camping.. yeah, you get my point) I last tried it about a few weeks ago, and could not stand it. If that means I suck... so be it.
the grind to VR14 sucks. Once one leaves BB, they must either be close to max rank, or be VERY good(I mean Sypher level good) at the game to do anything besides using a treb all day or healing. the game has developed into too much of a grind in my opinion, and it is detrimental to the game.
blackwater blade is the last fun PvP experience in this game. Do what me and Kijima have been doing and keep making new characters for it when you level out. Hopefully the vet servers get fixed soon. I WANT to play in them, but i refuse to torture myself by playing them in their current state.
The last time vet campaigns were truly any fun was wabbajack... that's how long ago it was.
You mean back in wabbajack where people used ground oils all day, when magicka builds where the only viable option, when vampire bat swarms dominated the battlefield, when purge used to wiped entire raids, when wall elements stacked.....some people have a very selective memory of the past.4 -
Darklord_Tiberius✭✭✭✭Find a good PvP guild or community to join, is really all I can tell you.
You expect a fresh VR1 to just walk into end game PvP and dominate? Not going to happen.
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✭✭✭Yep I feel for any new (to pvp) player who jumps into cryodil for a little dynamic fun and inevitably gets run over by a spam brigade or one shot off their horse by some 'highly skilled' arse bandit.
You don't need to be a v1 to think its a waste of time, there are plenty of v14's who feel the same.
it is a waste of time. I've been playing since beta and i think it is a waste of time.
Its a shame too, PvP used to be amazing, now it has devolved into the mess it is now.
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✭✭✭The benefit of having a VR1 character is you're at an advantage when "CP grinding" compared to a VR14 character. I'd use that advantage and grind to VR14 and be done with it.
As others pointed out, the PvP in the Vet campaigns any more is just not that fun for all of the reasons stated. I think I have 8 days of enlightenment saved up on my sorc right now and I have no desire to play him.
come join us in blackwater blade! perhaps I will be able to kill you a few times and force you to admit to the superiority of the argonian master race.....
come soon though, my stamina DK is almost leveled out:DEdited by Cody on May 6, 2015 7:54PM0 -
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✭✭✭Cervanteseric85ub17_ESO wrote: »The vet campaigns are pure garbage. they are nothing but zerg blobbing, intense lag, and an utter and complete lack of balance(infinite resource builds, the nirnhoned crisis(yes it is a crisis) the insane burst damage, meteor spam, issues with CC being much more prevalent, population issues, buff servers/gate camping.. yeah, you get my point) I last tried it about a few weeks ago, and could not stand it. If that means I suck... so be it.
the grind to VR14 sucks. Once one leaves BB, they must either be close to max rank, or be VERY good(I mean Sypher level good) at the game to do anything besides using a treb all day or healing. the game has developed into too much of a grind in my opinion, and it is detrimental to the game.
blackwater blade is the last fun PvP experience in this game. Do what me and Kijima have been doing and keep making new characters for it when you level out. Hopefully the vet servers get fixed soon. I WANT to play in them, but i refuse to torture myself by playing them in their current state.
The last time vet campaigns were truly any fun was wabbajack... that's how long ago it was.
You mean back in wabbajack where people used ground oils all day, when magicka builds where the only viable option, when vampire bat swarms dominated the battlefield, when purge used to wiped entire raids, when wall elements stacked.....some people have a very selective memory of the past.
hey.... im trying to be nostalgic here:D how dare you ruin my immersion!!!!
ZOS, fix!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and yes, I remember the ground oils. I never said wabbajack was perfect. for sithis sake premared reigned for most of the campaign...
and I also remember how OP magicka builds were. I spent all of pre 1.6 playing a stamina bow/DW NB. I remember those dark times.
and unkillable LA tanks....
/shivers
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✭✭✭Darklord_Tiberius wrote: »Find a good PvP guild or community to join, is really all I can tell you.
You expect a fresh VR1 to just walk into end game PvP and dominate? Not going to happen.
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✭I wish there was a campaign where all the keeps were permanently destroyed (but neutral, so anyone could respawn at them, regardless of faction) and seige weapons were not allowed. That way you would just have a big sandbox pvp zone to wander around in. There would be no bonuses, no scoring, no emporers or former emporers. People probably wouldn't even zerg since there are no objectives requiring it.
Pretty crazy, right? You would pvp... just for fun.Really we do it without like, the musical instruments. This is the only musical: the mouth. And hopefully the brain attached to the mouth. Right? The brain, more important than the mouth, is the brain. The brain is much more important.6 -
washlov✭✭✭champions system is slowly killing PVP it destroys the little rest of the balance
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✭✭✭champions system is slowly killing PVP it destroys the little rest of the balance
pvp should be as fair as possible not a 24/7 farm to success
exactly what I said earlier. This game is developing into too much of a grind.
i know, its an MMO, there should be grinding, but not to this extent. I do not expect to be the best, but I should not have to spend weeks grinding 100s of CPs just to have a shot...Edited by Cody on May 6, 2015 9:43PM0 -
InvictoNZ✭✭✭Right now the time to kill is stupid.
They need to either double the HP or half the DPS.
They should probably look into longer CC immunity.
(this one time in an MMO with cooldowns).
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Ryuho✭✭✭✭champions system is slowly killing PVP it destroys the little rest of the balance
pvp should be as fair as possible not a 24/7 farm to success
Yep exactly, I know som1 who has over 260 CPs...The Farron family team (EU)
sorcerer - Rubeus Farron AR31
templar - Selene Farron AR27
nightblade - Ryuho Farron AR25
stamplar - Nura Farron AR10
stamsorcerer - Kitty Farron AR14 (adopted member)
DK - Ryu Farron AR17
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Saft✭✭✭VincentBlanquin wrote: »yes, because of champion points, you should be underdog like forever. another thing is some builds have access to amazing damage powers, some dont, you can reconsider that, before you stick to weapons ....
i am finally vr14 but sometimes i even dont fight back when ganked, whats the point will be killed in 2 seconds or in 5 seconds? ....
Agree PVP is just about NB gankers and BoL Sorcs with max burst build combined with their escape builds. Its just not PVP and definatly not fun.
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k2blader✭✭✭✭✭OP, I feel your pain. I can only imagine how frustrating it must be for first-time vets just entering vet campaigns now. It is bad enough for vets halfway through. Well, unless you are EP in which case I'd have less sympathy as all they do is overpopulate every server with zergs. Ensconced in a red zerg I think you'd be generally fine.
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✭✭- remove veteran ranks
- much more noticeable diminishing return in champion-system passives
- You should get the most needed passives earlier in the system and not after a year of normal playing
This new system creates a gap so huge that new players won't be motivated to do any PvP or PvE since they need to catch up first to find a viable group or to survive a 1v1.
Something needs to be changed. Now.Edited by Soulac on May 7, 2015 10:13AMR.I.P Dawnbreaker / Auriel´s Bow
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This new system creates a gap so huge that new players won't be motivated to do any PvP or PvE since they need to catch up first to find a viable group or to survive a 1v1.
Something needs to be changed. Now.
The few people with the cojones to say this pre-1.6 got laughed off the forums, particularly by the types of folks who would always have an immense advantage due to their immense amounts of play time. Even now, assuming they're still around and not yet bored to tears employing their 3-ability skill bars, they'd likely insist they "deserve" their roost given the "work" put in. Time to forget those types who only set things backwards and start catering to the folks who'll actually sustain the game and make it more fun: (queue dirty word!) the casuals.
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✭Join a PvP guild. The experience and AP will roll in, and you can contribute just fine if you stick in your assigned role.
Some people want more out of PvP than zerg balling as a VR1 while spamming heals and Barrier each time it's up.
Currently it's either BB or VR14.. not much fun to be had inbetween that.
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This is the kind of stuff that I was afraid was going to happen. I mean I agree with Cody who said grinding should be in the game but not this extent. As of right now the CP and PVP reward those who barely leave their house or apartment. Those of us with jobs (like me) or school or lives are far behind even though we had the benefit of 70 CP's to begin with. A guildie told me the other day she knew someone with 300 CPs. It makes rolling a new lowbie to enjoy some real PVP in the non-vet campaign a hard decision because it puts me even further behind the CP grinders.
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✭i agree with the OP 100%
its the same scenario as with WARhammer online.
after a while it became evident that the best pvp in the game was in tiers 1 and 2. this was before folk levelled up enough to get all the severe CC and things that changed the whole dynamics of pvp ,
so in tiers 1 and 2 you had less skills unlocked but a more even playing field and thus way more fun.
the best pvp in ESO was in beta imo, everyone was locked at about lvl 20ish
so whats ruined pvp now for lower lvl players.. ?
well the removal of forward camps for one.. all the pvp try hard guilds wanted it . but it was obviously going to increase ganking and horse riding simulation. where as for lower players it at least meant dying lots never removed them from the battle entirely.
CP and gear diffrences and AW ranks are huge as well. things like vigor and continuous attack are huge benefits awarded to those who play one character all the time.1 -
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the irony of this, and it remains constant for all pvp in MMO's is that the try hard brigade always say any calls for a levelling of the playing field in the name of fun makes you a carebear..
(just read the thread on making vigor AW5 instead of 10 which would be a good step in the name of levelling the playing field as evidence of my point)
when common sense dictates that wanting to keep as many advantages as you can get over the masses of enemys you encounter makes that sort of pvp "carebear"
the more even the fights the more skill counts and the more fun for most folk involved..... just not for the tryhards who like the deck stacked in their favour by every possible strategy, system, grind, cost ..anything that can allow them to be that % more powerfull than the guy they destroy ..
these people would argue that barcelona playing a sunday league pub team at football was hardcore.
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Xael✭✭✭✭✭TheGOHgamer wrote: »(This is NOT about bringing small scale PVP to ESO)
I know you have all heard it all before but as a newcomer I would like to express my thoughts i.e. frustrations with PVP and would like your thoughts as newcomers and veterans alike.
First of all, I really enjoy this game's PVE but I am in it primarily for the PVP and bought the game as it looked extremely fun. I started my journey in Cyrodiil at around lvl 40 because I thought I should gain some experience with the game in PVE, learn my role, grind to a "high enough" level to where I can be competent in PVP. Of course that was not enough and I got slaughtered. This was before I had an understanding of campaigns and veteran ranks.
I did my research, made a few adjustments to my play style, my rotation, got better overall etc and jumped right into the NON-veteran campaign, lol.
This was fun for a while, at least when I had something to do and not playing Horse Riding Simulator and typing LFG in chat all day.
As you all know, in the non-veteran campaign your stats are buffed and it puts you on a somewhat equal footing with everyone else. I could hold my own, I could DPS on the front lines and survive, or I could heal and provide support, you name it. PVP engagements were scarce but fun.
But then I got to level 50, and then was no longer able to access the non-veteran campaign. So like many others, I was forced out and into the veteran campaigns where of course I get one-shotted, one hit K.O'd by veteran rank 14's. Why? Well, not only is everyone leagues ahead of you now in the veteran campaign, your stats are no longer buffed, in fact they are essentially cut in half making you completely useless. I can no longer heal, or dps because my stats aren't good enough so I am relegated to sitting on top of a tower watching everyone else PVP and have fun, or sneaking around on my own on top of a hill hoping no one sees me and one shots me, or doing PVE quests in PVP!
I don't know about you but this makes no sense to me. I mean my gear and stats are still as terrible as they were at level 49 in non-veteran, but because I went up one level, I am forced into veteran to have my stats slashed in half and get slaughtered by veteran rank 14's. WHAT?! lol It's annoying to say the least.
Now I do not have the numbers or stats so I am making this part up as I go along so you can see it from my point of view and understand it as I do. Say for instance; you are level 49 in the non-vet campaign and they buff you to veteran rank 5 so you can have some sustainability in PVP and maybe do well depending on how good you are.
Then you level up 1 and get to veteran rank 1. You are now pushed out from non-vet where you were buffed to VR5 and forced into veteran campaigns where your stats are cut in half and you are nerfed to your actual rank which is VR1 where you have to go up against VR 14's. Am I the only one what thinks this makes no sense? Why buff you, only to nerf you? In non vet I had arounf 29,000 health and in vet campaign VR1 I have 17000, lol. I know that technically I am no longer a non-veteran rank but realistically I am since as I said, I have the same gear and same stats and same number of skill points and NO champion points. At least buff the new players to more or less the same level that they were in the non-vet campaign until they have sufficient enough time to level up, get their gear and reach that minimum "buff threshold" and then they can progress on their own from there. That seems fair to me.
What do you guys think? I for one am not happy and will no longer be playing PVP as it is now truly unplayable. I will stick to PVE but I really can't go through another grind to VR14 in more PVE quests. 1 to 50 was enough for me. Removal of VR's can't come soon enough. Just have one level cap and increase the level cap with new DLC's. Just a thought. But then I don't know how fair it would be to the Vets. Someone better than I needs to come up with some ideas because right now I am about to give up on this game.
I am going to call bullsh*t on a lot of this.
Not only are you whining about what you don't understand, you are stating falsehoods.
First:As you all know, in the non-veteran campaign your stats are buffed and it puts you on a somewhat equal footing with everyone else. I could hold my own, I could DPS on the front lines and survive, or I could heal and provide support, you name it. PVP engagements were scarce but fun.
Saying you were in BwB and PvP engagements are scarce is false. Unless you are logging on when the rest of the population is sleeping, I find it impossible to believe you are not finding PvP engagements. You are either talking out of your ass to reinforce your whining post, or it's a l2p issue. Sounds like both. I have a lowbie alt in BwB and PvP engagements are not scarce.
Newsflash, stats and CP are not on even keel in BwB. Most vets have alts, these alts have CP. They also build properly and enchant their gear. Then they turn off the auto balance for their stats. This boosts them above the auto-cap. That said, an informed player who uses gear sets, knows how to play their character, uses food and enchants on their gear, will have a monstrous advantage over a new player using quest rewards and random patchwork items and sub-optimal skills.
Second:Now I do not have the numbers or stats so I am making this part up as I go along so you can see it from my point of view and understand it as I do.
Case in point (regarding bullsh*t)
You admittedly do not have numbers or stats, that said you DO NOT understand it. So your point of view is useless. You have no base to argue from and built your case on ignorance and false information.
Third:What do you guys think? I for one am not happy and will no longer be playing PVP as it is now truly unplayable. I will stick to PVE but I really can't go through another grind to VR14 in more PVE quests. 1 to 50 was enough for me. Removal of VR's can't come soon enough.
I don't care if you are unhappy. Get over it. PvP is not unplayable, you are the problem. I have a vr1 in a vet campaign and my experience is polar opposite. Saying it is unplayable is false, saying you are ignorant on how this game works and pvp works, is more accurate. Saying you are lazy and do not want to level up is accurate.
You are the product of the welfare mentality. You feel entitled and can't be bothered to carry your own weight or pull yourself up by your bootstraps. You have failed on your end to educate yourself on how the game works and make up for your shortcomings. For example you mention going from 29k health to 17k... big damn deal. My sorc right now is it at 16k before I use food. I am not whining about it. Hell my Nightblade who is vr14 has low health before food buff. Again, I am not whining about it.
If you wish to live in denial and create more scapegoats for your poor experience, here is a pro-tip:
There are plenty of PvP videos posted by competent players. Watch the videos, learn something. If you need more explanation message them. I am positive the majority of players posting these videos will not only give you their build, but also give you tips in other areas as well. At the end of the day it's on you.
This thread is just another rant from a disgruntled lazy sluggard who does not want to put forth effort.
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I know someone with more than 400 by now, probably more.
I think the game will probably be dead before he gets to 3600 though and gets to enjoy the chance to use those OP CPs though.
Originally I was thinking of staying in the top 5% or so of the CP grind but then I realized my above point and stopped grinding altogether.Permanently banned from the forums for displaying dissent: ESO - The Year Behind
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