Guild spies, need to handle this, PLEASE!

Robotmafia · May 2015

Acrolas wrote: »

Killum wrote: »

I am afraid you are wrong on the point of those of us in the UK needing a licence to hold a lottery or a raffle within ESO. As long as the following conditions are met.

!. There in no money involved.
2. The prizes have no monetary value.

Except the law doesn't say "money." It says "payment" or "required to pay."

But that's all right. The Gambling Commission is getting back to me with a detailed response shortly.

haha seriously?? please tell me your joking :P you gonna take legal action?

QuadroTony · May 2015

Deome wrote: »

I have no problem with viewing last week's bid. If you don't want to be outbid, don't bid on the same trader each week.

lol
spies nothing to do with the trader
they wanna outbid the guild

QuadroTony · May 2015

hamgatan wrote: »

All I can say is welcome to Rawl. Certain mega-guilds (not naming the three I have in mind), have been banding together to keep other guilds out of Rawl for AGES. This isn't new. I can think of one instance even last week where they took the bid up past 4 million just to shut a particular guild out.

on EU its the alliance of german guilds

SantieClaws · May 2015

This is another flaw in the totally flawed multi guild system which is itself the daedric child of the flawed trade system

Megasever tech can't handle an AH - ok we will do trade via the guilds - trade via the guilds is limited - ok we let people join multiple guilds - multiple guilds leads to issues of spying and lack of guild loyalty - ok we ... erm ....

Look everyone - over there - an elf!

QuadroTony · May 2015

one thing i noticed - history of bids erased when you hired a trader

SteveCampsOut · May 2015

hamgatan wrote: »

QuadroTony wrote: »

we just need the option of visibility of the bids on the trader BY GUILDLEADER ONLY

its just got me when on EU in Rawlk'ha 4 of 5 traders was hired for 800k gold by the same guilds every week
but today spot of Tamriel Trader Guild, 5th trader was outbided for 1.3m+!

I've personally lost count of how many times this has been said before. However the fact that people are genuinely surprised by this behaviour still amuses me.

All I can say is welcome to Rawl. Certain mega-guilds (not naming the three I have in mind), have been banding together to keep other guilds out of Rawl for AGES. This isn't new. I can think of one instance even last week where they took the bid up past 4 million just to shut a particular guild out.

This is only half the problem with Rawl though. The biggest problem is peoples perception that it is the premium location for Guild Traders. Break that perception and the value of Rawl sites will drop.

For example, Bandaari Trading Post has the same amount of Guild Traders, almost the exact same distance from the Wayshrine. And the bids in Bandaari go for WAY less than Rawl because it doesn't have that premium monniker.

I won't even shop in Rawl'ka so this has no bearing on my ability to get what I need. If more people just knew they could get the same items for less elsewhere they'd go there. Sadly, most people in game have more imaginary money than sense!

Titansteele · May 2015

Acrolas wrote: »

Killum wrote: »

I am afraid you are wrong on the point of those of us in the UK needing a licence to hold a lottery or a raffle within ESO. As long as the following conditions are met.

!. There in no money involved.
2. The prizes have no monetary value.

Except the law doesn't say "money." It says "payment" or "required to pay."

But that's all right. The Gambling Commission is getting back to me with a detailed response shortly.

Muhahahahahah, Sheogorath will be proud of you

EQBallzz · May 2015

drschplatt wrote: »

Those really need to stop. It's not a violation of ESO TOS. It's a violation of US law.

I would like to see the law that makes it illegal for people playing an imaginary game to participate in an imaginary raffle with imaginary gold in an imaginary world where they earn said imaginary gold by pretending to pickpocket, murder and steal their way through an imaginary epic adventure full of imaginary demons.

I do hope the original post was meant as a joke.

No it wasn't a joke and furthermore...I have contacted the District Attorney and reported you all for.....MURDER. DUN DUN DUN!

gard · May 2015

Acrolas wrote: »

It should be a completely blind system so people can't even text each other about it. It might not be an inside spy. It could very well just be friends from two different guilds sharing information with each other over the phone. And then information spreads and feelings get hurt and the Internet claims more tears of an innocent. Also, the obligatory,

(But Tamriel doesn't even have phones holy *** that's lore-breaking.)

Nestor wrote: »

they keep asking me for gold through raffles

But that's the thing - they're not raffles.

Raffles in the US are state-regulated events organized by nonprofits under strict guidelines. Violation of state raffle laws can lead to serious fines, jail time, or both. Far as I know, not a single NA server "raffle" through ESO is state-regulated.

But what the guilds are really doing are illegal lotteries, which by law are defined as having a prize, a chance to win, and mandatory consideration (a transaction required before you have a chance to win).

Those really need to stop. It's not a violation of ESO TOS. It's a violation of US law. ZOS won't protect you if a lawyer comes knocking. They'll just plead ignorance to the whole thing.
UK residents need to visit a local licensing authority and pay a fee to be eligible to hold small society private lotteries (which, to further confuse things, are also called raffles). To my knowledge, no EU guild has publicly registered to hold private lotteries.

In the event that any guild is licensed for state raffles or private lotteries through the proper legal channels, that should be documented and stickied in the forum. That way you we all know who took the time to do their research and run things properly.

Since no real currency changes hands, do any of the points raised in this post even apply?
The idea that a lottery for imaginary gold could be considered illegal is ridiculous to me.

Beesting · May 2015

QuadroTony wrote: »

offtopic\

when i need to sold expensive and rare items like lich set:

- spam in zone chat of at least 3 locations from ad/blue/red hero
- spam in 15 guilds i have(3 accounts)
- joint to every PVP campaign by ad/blue/red hero and spam in their zones

its very hard, global auction will be better

Also offtopic,

I am glad i finally have so much gold i can finally take a rest from all of this, i could of course try and get the 20 million mark but why bother?

Lets all remember our dear friend coleman, that had sold over 80 million in his guildstore and ended up banned recently. For what we will never know, but it might have something to do with greed.

The whole thing started to really collapse when master merchant came out and and price fixing was taken to a whole new level. But good luck finding your v10 lich sets, i was hoping the cyrodill dolmens would drop vr14 but they don't sadly

I just use the guildstores now as they were intented, to sell unwanted loot for fair prices xD

SturgeHammer · May 2015

Espionage Simulator Online:Tamriel Undermined

QuadroTony · May 2015

Beesting wrote: »

Lets all remember our dear friend coleman, that had sold over 80 million in his guildstore and ended up banned recently. For what we will never know, but it might have something to do with greed.

tell me more. i didnt know this story
when and what happend?

nastuug · May 2015

Maddhawk wrote: »

Am I reading this correctly? You guys are arguing about the legality of IN GAME raffling/lottery using IN GAME currency?

Yes, yes they are...

Bouvin · May 2015

I thought this thread was going to be about PvP.....

nastuug · May 2015

Bouvin wrote: »

I thought this thread was going to be about PvP.....

Oh boy, were you wrong...

Shissuru · May 2015

QuadroTony wrote: »

its just got me when on EU in Rawlk'ha 4 of 5 traders was hired for 800k gold by the same guilds every week but today spot of Tamriel Trader Guild, 5th trader was outbided for 1.3m+!

How do you know the commandments of the other guilds ? Are you spying ?

QuadroTony · May 2015

i need to spy for counterspy others!

SHADOW2KK · May 2015

QuadroTony wrote: »

i need to spy for counterspy others!

Counterspying operations ftw, go for it hehe

Killum · May 2015

gard wrote: »

Since no real currency changes hands, do any of the points raised in this post even apply?
The idea that a lottery for imaginary gold could be considered illegal is ridiculous to me.

What is ridiculous is that by law a 'Hackney Carriage' (a taxi in the vernacular) should by law carry a bail of hay to feed the horses.

Sorry a little off topic but game crashed again and had to repair again so was a little bored.

MissBizz · May 2015

I just have one thought...

if the reason you were outbid was a spy.

Why the ...you know.. would they outbid you by 1.3 MILLION?

Seriously, wouldn't a spy just outbid you by a couple thousand or something, why would they WASTE 1.3mil?

QuadroTony · May 2015

MissBizz wrote: »

I just have one thought...

if the reason you were outbid was a spy.

Why the ...you know.. would they outbid you by 1.3 MILLION?

Seriously, wouldn't a spy just outbid you by a couple thousand or something, why would they WASTE 1.3mil?

the price for all other traders of this location usually 700-900k

we always place high bid on our trader and never lost it before
now it was 1.39m

so this week all other guild hired their trader for 700k but we was outbided by 1.47m(i saw enemie's bid after i joined to their guild like a spy yesterday)

Erraln · May 2015

hamgatan wrote: »

For example, Bandaari Trading Post has the same amount of Guild Traders, almost the exact same distance from the Wayshrine. And the bids in Bandaari go for WAY less than Rawl because it doesn't have that premium monniker.

Yes, but the bank is on the other side of the zone, if you complete the town's quests. I do agree, though, there are underdeveloped trader locations for sure.

timidobserver · May 2015

The first MMO to have a form of corporate espionage. I like it. Economical PvP.

Maddhawk · May 2015

timidobserver wrote: »

The first MMO to have a form of corporate espionage. I like it. Economical PvP.

That would be EvE Online, not ESO. However, economic sabotage and corporate espionage has LONG been an honored tradition in EvE. Since the game launched in 2001 in fact. What ESO has at the moment is baby daycare stuff compared to what you can pull off in EvE.