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I remember a lot of people agreed on the API changes too. The API as it was in beta had too little restrictions, putting anyone who wasn't using addon X or Y at a distinct disadvantage.jnjdun_ESO wrote: »7. Hidden Calculations and Incomplete API.
This is what p*sses me off the most. This is 2015 for **** sake.
We should be seeing exactly who hit us, with what ability and for how much.
Why the mystery, ZOS?
I truly believe so many bugs, exploits (and abilities just not working the way they should) could have been made public and then fixed in a timely manner. Instead we have a-holes spending their days testing different gear and abilities trying to find the most broken and exploitable things they can and then running with it for months on end.
It's mind boggling and my husband has already rage quit due to it and unfortunately I'm probably not far behind him. I love this game I really do, but damn this sh*t needs fixing.
They actually told us why: that they think all of the numbers confuse people. Not even kidding. The beta API provided all of the information we asked for, i.e. FTC was accurate. I remember the sh*tstorm when they announced they were blocking all of the DoTs, HoTs, debuffs, etc. Atropos from TF (since he wrote FTC) was one of the biggest vocal opponents of API feature reversion.
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@TheBucketUltimate gain. While I will agree it was unbalanced during 1.5, the new ulimate regeneration system is flawed. It needs to be brought back to a dynamic system, that rewards the player for skilled play. Currently, one player standing behind a tree sending one light attack every 8 seconds will get the exact same amount of ulimate as a player who is fighting off 3 opponents at the same time, making use of roll dodge, block, cc and actively using skills. It makes no sense.
The other important point for me is one you mentionned already, the scaling in 1.6.
Currently my lvl 43 stam nightblade that is wearing green items, no jewelry, is getting crits for 12k on other players without being in stealth using a 2 handed sword. Completely ridiculous. Time to kill is way to short, and forces people to run in groups at all times in fear of being oneshot at every corner in Cyrodil.
Thats not true
Although the ultimate gains does favor large groups
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✭Let's be honest, The people running the show now are a skeleton crew of people who had no part in the creation of this game. There will be no fixes or changes because they don't know how.AbraXuS
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Oughash✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »I remember a lot of people agreed on the API changes too. The API as it was in beta had too little restrictions, putting anyone who wasn't using addon X or Y at a distinct disadvantage.
Yeah. Unfortunately ZOS removed too many parts of the API -- so now we get zero information.
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Francescolg✭✭✭✭I'd like to extend:
X) CP gain has to be risen and (most important) to be compared to people doing AA and all other PvE-related farming.
Actually, even leveling Vr 1-14 gives you MUCH MORE CP than you get in PvP. For the casual PvP'er this looks much worse..!
I'll not name call but, already weeks ago, I knew some dumb PvE farmers who had more than double the CP of a Hardcore PvP gamer (400 vs 200 CP - not joking / inventing any number).
Given that getting CP in Pvp is much harder and way more arbitrary, a Pvp-kill should be 4 up to 10 times more rewarding. THIS is one of the strongest points to get people into Cyrondil and if this isn't addressed, Pvp will lose attractiveness for many, as dumbly farming AA /etc. will be and is much more rewarding.
CHECK YOUR NEVER PUBLISHED STATS, ZOS! COMPARE NUMBERS OF AVERAGE PLAYERS (farming Vr-zones/dungeons vs. average PvPer, not the top-20%) .Edited by Francescolg on May 6, 2015 3:10PM0 -
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✭Well one thing is for sure, some people aren't going to be getting a fat x-mas bonus for all the revenue 1.6 drove.“Whatever.”
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ThyIronFist✭✭✭✭✭Yup, I'm done. Said my farewells today. I've been playing for 13 months and there has been zero improvement.
To quote a famous King;
"Where is the horse and the rider...? Where is 60fps that I was having...? They have passed like rain on the mountains, like wind in the meadow. The days have gone down in Cyrodiil, behind the hills... into Lagfest."
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@TheBucketUltimate gain. While I will agree it was unbalanced during 1.5, the new ulimate regeneration system is flawed. It needs to be brought back to a dynamic system, that rewards the player for skilled play. Currently, one player standing behind a tree sending one light attack every 8 seconds will get the exact same amount of ulimate as a player who is fighting off 3 opponents at the same time, making use of roll dodge, block, cc and actively using skills. It makes no sense.
The other important point for me is one you mentionned already, the scaling in 1.6.
Currently my lvl 43 stam nightblade that is wearing green items, no jewelry, is getting crits for 12k on other players without being in stealth using a 2 handed sword. Completely ridiculous. Time to kill is way to short, and forces people to run in groups at all times in fear of being oneshot at every corner in Cyrodil.
Thats not true
Although the ultimate gains does favor large groups
What's not true ?
A player standing behind a tree wont get the same Ult, if they other player is using skills and suchWilliam Reignes
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sirston✭✭✭✭✭I feel like ZOS is trying to kill PVP as hard as they can
Edited by sirston on May 6, 2015 4:32PMWhitestakes Revenge
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✭@sirston This is quite disgusting ^^ You should not post that on the forums I think.Edited by Sotha_Sil on May 6, 2015 4:02PMRestoration is a perfectly valid school of magic, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! - Spells and incantations for those with the talent to cast them!1 -
sirston✭✭✭✭✭seems to be people Don't enjoy walking dead but going back on topic Its ture they have given up on us they take little by little out of the game to try to kill it.
that simple.Edited by sirston on May 6, 2015 4:37PMWhitestakes Revenge
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✭AbraXuSeXile wrote: »Let's be honest, The people running the show now are a skeleton crew of people who had no part in the creation of this game. There will be no fixes or changes because they don't know how.
They do seem awfully resource-constrained. It's like we're dealing with a tiny indie developer, except without the tiny indie charm. "We can't do anything for a financial quarter because... console release" just doesn't make sense coming from the behemoths behind TESO.Snit AD Sorc
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klink012✭✭✭jnjdun_ESO wrote: »7. Hidden Calculations and Incomplete API.
This is what p*sses me off the most. This is 2015 for **** sake.
We should be seeing exactly who hit us, with what ability and for how much.
Why the mystery, ZOS?
I truly believe so many bugs, exploits (and abilities just not working the way they should) could have been made public and then fixed in a timely manner. Instead we have a-holes spending their days testing different gear and abilities trying to find the most broken and exploitable things they can and then running with it for months on end.
It's mind boggling and my husband has already rage quit due to it and unfortunately I'm probably not far behind him. I love this game I really do, but damn this sh*t needs fixing.
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✭They do seem awfully resource-constrained. It's like we're dealing with a tiny indie developer, except without the tiny indie charm. "We can't do anything for a financial quarter because... console release" just doesn't make sense coming from the behemoths behind TESO.
From the outside, it actually looks like an act of desperation, and perhaps that's not entirely uncalled for at this point.
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