wow? no trolls? no support? no against? complete silence? have all the players gone to sleep?...sigh

Selling guild slots and character slots would be another major pay to win move. More characters means more hirelings and writ rewards. More guild slots means much more goods sold. There's already enough price fixing and economic disparity.

pecheckler wrote: »

Selling guild slots and character slots would be another major pay to win move. More characters means more hirelings and writ rewards. More guild slots means much more goods sold. There's already enough price fixing and economic disparity.

And this is different from buying a second account how? Except that it makes me not want to buy a second account because I'm not buying nm coursair etc.... Again...but technically all these benefits you mention can already be bought ?

Well, I've got 2 accounts and 16 characters, so yeah...

Edit: I should note that having 10 playable races and only 8 character slots never made sense.

UrQuan wrote: »

Well, I've got 2 accounts and 16 characters, so yeah...

Edit: I should note that having 10 playable races and only 8 character slots never made sense.

Better yet 10 races 4 classes 3 factions that's 120 combinations.

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

I'm most certain the initial limit on 8 was to prevent botting, don't hold me to this though.

But the bots are gone....

kijima wrote: »

Hrm, I think with the game having seen a birthday, I'd agree that more character slots are required now.

There isn't much in the crown store I'd buy, still have a metric tonne of crowns and my only purchase has been the flaming horsey (always wanted a shadowmere-esque horsey) but everything else is not worth it, for me.

If character slots were available for purchase through crown store, I'd buy then. To me, they would be worth it.

Many many many rp players would...and that's the reason for the guild slots (each character might need its on guild for their story)...

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

I'm most certain the initial limit on 8 was to prevent botting, don't hold me to this though.

No, the deletion limit was implemented to prevent botting. That wouldn't even make any sense, if that was the case why wouldn't we only have a single character slot?

We have been asking for character slots for a year! Give it to us already!! That is THE one thing I would spend money on at this point.

Im guessing that additional character slots, race changes and maybe increased bag space will be availiable soon.

Like the OP theres not much from the crown store I would buy, and also like the OP (it seems) I do tend to spend cash on any old crap if its usefull to me.

Disposable income is not the problem for those with cash, its buying something that we feel is usefull. People over 30 tend not to get too excited by pets or mounts, but will waste cash on somethings without a care.

Its up to ZOS to find these lucrative money sinks!!

More character slots seem a good way to go

As a certified alt-oholic, I approve of more character slots. I think, though, that we should all get ten for free (total, not ten more), and only after that should they begin charging.

Yes, it means more hireling mails and potential inventory slots, but that's not P2W, considering that you can get all of the items from hirelings in the game anyways. It would potentially cut down on time, and that is it.

I would like more slots as well. Ideally I'd like to have at least 1 character of each race, plus one or more mules (at least until I can afford to upgrade my bank more) but sadly that's not an option at the moment.

I don't agree that getting more hireling mail or filling more writs is pay-to-win. You'd have to have a huge number of characters to make any significant different. And as other people have said that's already possible by buying a second (or 3rd, 4th etc. account).

I think allowing more character slots would actually add more to the demand for crafting materials than the supply because all those extra characters would need equipment.

Danikat wrote: »

I would like more slots as well. Ideally I'd like to have at least 1 character of each race, plus one or more mules (at least until I can afford to upgrade my bank more) but sadly that's not an option at the moment.

I don't agree that getting more hireling mail or filling more writs is pay-to-win. You'd have to have a huge number of characters to make any significant different. And as other people have said that's already possible by buying a second (or 3rd, 4th etc. account).

I think allowing more character slots would actually add more to the demand for crafting materials than the supply because all those extra characters would need equipment.

If you want mules the current way to go is buy two accounts and find five other people who share your desire....then make 5 guilds where each player has sole access to their own guild bank.....so for a second account you can get 500 guild bank slots, 200ish slots from a second account bank, and then all the inventory of each character .... To me that's more p2w (its not p2w, but it's more advantageous than what I'm asking for) than simply letting me buy more slots for access to the cosmetic goodies I paid cash for! Honestly a player looking for advantage is better off with a second account ...they can mail items to themselves, use the return to sender option get an additional account bank, potentially get their own guild bank and a few other devious advantages ....comparatively buying additional character slots on my none account is fairly benign.

Now I will give you that buying guild slots might allow more guild banks and guild store access....but again 1 guild slot for two characters is actually less access to these benefits than purchasing a second account...honestly I think each character needs to come with a guild slot so they can rp (has nothing to do with stores and banks) but I can see where someone might utilize this benefit....and so what if they do? They still have to spend the time buying/selling/trading/farming items to get these benefits which means they are putting in a lot more sweat equity than someone who isn't utilizing these benefits...and again buying an account provides more benefit than buying the character slot, except when it comes to the cosmetic purchases from the crown store which is much more important to me then some perceived unfair advantage (which i could actually do better buying an account).

Faugaun wrote: »

So a full game is what $50? So charge me $6.25 per character slot and include an extra guild slot for every two character slots purchased....

$6.25 (USD) is a bit much.
Nearly 20% of what I can get the game for, at 11% of the content.
Presuming I purchase the regular edition from a third party (PC - $30) and only one character slot (1/9).

If they wanted to charge like $2.99 per slot, I'd be fine with this.
Or if they wanted to give double (16) slots for $9.99.

They're character slots, not real content, but it allows you to have another slot to enjoy 100% of the available content all over again. I can understand putting a price on it, but not that much.

c.p.garrett1993_ESO wrote: »

Faugaun wrote: »

So a full game is what $50? So charge me $6.25 per character slot and include an extra guild slot for every two character slots purchased....

$6.25 (USD) is a bit much.
Nearly 20% of what I can get the game for, at 11% of the content.
Presuming I purchase the regular edition from a third party (PC - $30) and only one character slot (1/9).

If they wanted to charge like $2.99 per slot, I'd be fine with this.
Or if they wanted to give double (16) slots for $9.99.

They're character slots, not real content, but it allows you to have another slot to enjoy 100% of the available content all over again. I can understand putting a price on it, but not that much.

Sure whatever I think full box price should be the absolute highest they should charge ($6.25) but as you point out the slot itself may not carry that full $ value perhaps $3 is better...honestly $6.25 vs $0.50 not really that big on the importance list to me (I understand for some it might be) but then we are just talking pricing (I played a lemonade stand video game when I was a kid....long ago...and you had to regulate price based on supply and demand, this is small stuff yes?). Zos should price it at a good balance to sell more for the most (that's smart business), if they will sell 3x as many for $2.99 as they will for $6.25 then clearly the $2.99 is better for them (assuming there are no hidden costs that modify the profit difference).

My point is ZoS should sell it at fair market value, and the highest fair market value could be is $6.25 but of course based on the real market determined value a lower price might be more appropriate (someone call in the bean counters!).

Consider I did the console transfer that got me 16 slots for $20, that's a $1.25 per slot which isn't he going price for people on a new platform who already had the game...so maybe that's closer to actual market value (100 crowns per slot, since youre not gaining a new platform to play it on..).

I mean seriously if it was priced at 100 crowns that's not a bad deal for ZoS...they know two things, first these players that buy slots in the crown store are willing to buy crowns and spend them in the crown store, and secondly they are buying a character slot to play which indicates they will be playing for a while longer ...this means 100 crowns is a good price to get a customer that will likely end up spending more money later.


I do volunteer coordination of a fundraiser appreciation event every year and we solicit businesses for prize donations. One saavy business (a used book store) donated a $5 gift card to every visitor ..why? Because they knew that every visitor who came in would spend more than what they were giving away....Zos is in this same boat they can practically give away slots (it costs them almost nothing) and a nominal fee ensures the people whom utilize the function are likely to spend more with ZoS.

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

I'm most certain the initial limit on 8 was to prevent botting, don't hold me to this though.

I'm holding you to it, I'm holding you to it!!!! Actually, you're probably right about that - the limit probably was at least partially to prevent botting.

Faugaun wrote: »

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

As a certified alt-oholic, I approve of more character slots. I think, though, that we should all get ten for free (total, not ten more), and only after that should they begin charging.

Yes, it means more hireling mails and potential inventory slots, but that's not P2W, considering that you can get all of the items from hirelings in the game anyways. It would potentially cut down on time, and that is it.

And I can get all that from buying a second account...I've not heard anyone saying ZoS shouldn't sell more accounts because more accounts is pay to win...

Believe it or not, I actually have seen someone make that argument. Well, not that ZOS shouldn't sell accounts, but that nobody should be allowed to buy more than one account because it's P2W. I found it to be a wee bit of a ridiculous argument...

Divad Zarn wrote: »

Cuz you need to buy new account for it which is more profitable for devs.

@Divad Zarn Not if they leave a bitter taste in my mouth and I buy less from the crown store as a result...

UrQuan wrote: »

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

I'm most certain the initial limit on 8 was to prevent botting, don't hold me to this though.

I'm holding you to it, I'm holding you to it!!!! Actually, you're probably right about that - the limit probably was at least partially to prevent botting.

Faugaun wrote: »

Aett_Thorn wrote: »

As a certified alt-oholic, I approve of more character slots. I think, though, that we should all get ten for free (total, not ten more), and only after that should they begin charging.

Yes, it means more hireling mails and potential inventory slots, but that's not P2W, considering that you can get all of the items from hirelings in the game anyways. It would potentially cut down on time, and that is it.

And I can get all that from buying a second account...I've not heard anyone saying ZoS shouldn't sell more accounts because more accounts is pay to win...

Believe it or not, I actually have seen someone make that argument. Well, not that ZOS shouldn't sell accounts, but that nobody should be allowed to buy more than one account because it's P2W. I found it to be a wee bit of a ridiculous argument...

@UrQuan Sheesh...
Unreal....the things people get upset about....wonder if they ever stopped to think...hey my buddy might get a second account....that could indirectly benefit me!... I mean honestly!

@AlnilamE haha the altaholic sentiment!

@Tailger agree and thanks for the input!