4+, because that can go all the way up to 24

More single player content i only play with my brother and my mate most of the time so i dont mind content needing two people but thats it.

Psychobunni wrote: »

But not a "party" necessarily, if out in the world as a random event, then allow anyone grouped or not to take part. Other than, yeah a massive boss spawning like once or twice a day per map would be awesome.

Yea, something fun and engaging that I can't solo because it was in my way. I voted 4+, but 24 man would be my preference.

If only PvP was more stable. I would love to see events like this stir up things a bit. They are 'kinda' going that way with the siege from dolmens and the boost from delve bosses... But what if when a keep is damaged, a supply caravan launches from an allied keep. Capturing it would give some boost to capture, and defending it would boost defense (maybe even repair walls or something.) The caravan would have it's own defenses tuned so that you need 12 to capture it. Or maybe have a daedric titan fly into a siege... Or have some incentive to kill it out in the open map. Something to mix stuff up.

I would like to see more interesting overworld stuff in general.

I remember when I first started playing people would yell in zone when a dolmen was up.. to let people know who didn't have it AND because you could not easily solo it. It was awesome. You could meet new people, and it's a way to pull together strangers and work towards a common goal.

I would like something like world bosses/dolmens that take about 24 people to complete. I would like if this was an open world event, so really 20 people probably could do it, and 30 people could come and it would still be a wee bit of a challenge.

Although, as a person who began this game as a solo player, I understand that we wouldn't want a whole bunch of these. I figure 1 per zone would be nice. As well, don't allow them to scale depending on how many players are there - like dolmens (seem to) do.

I love questing and exploring alone still, as it allows me to get more immersed in the game.. BUT having some event where you need to gather with strangers is a nice way to introduce grouping as well would not break me from my enjoyment of questing alone at all. To me it actually helps it be more realistic, that there really are some things you can't do alone.

I decided to just choose more content but the sad thing is, we're not looking at anything new or cool for a while. Console is top priority right now and the game won't be changing in the least bit for a time due to its release I'm sure.

I really could have voted for any of the first 3 options in the poll, but I went for the 24+ option because with the others there's always the chance that a really good player with a good build could solo them, and if we're going to have major zone challenges (which I think we should), I want them to be ones where you have to put out a call for help in /zone and hold off on going in until you've got a good number of people around to help out.

Kind of like dolmens at launch. Don't get me wrong, I'm OK with dolmens the way they are now (for the most part - it'd be nice if there was a bit more scaling to keep it from being a total faceroll when you've got a good number of people there), but at launch they provided the "oh crap, I need a lot of people to help with this" factor, and they don't really do that any more. At-level they are soloable with a good build, and with a moderately good build they can be taken on by 2 players.

So yeah, I want something that's a major challenge, requiring a whole bunch of players to take down. I would think not more than 1 of these per zone, and not something that is instanced by group (so that people don't have to group to do it - they can just show up when someone puts out a call in /zone).

Note: I'm coming at this from the point of view of a primarily solo player. I do the vast majority of my playing solo in ESO, but I still want there to be challenging content that requires multiple players to complete.

Tera had these things called Nexuses. Every day at a given time, in several locations, a portal would open and dozens of enemies would spring forth. There were hundreds of people and mobs fighting a couple of waves of mobs/bosses. No group required, except for the next stage (going in the Nexus and defeating other bosses.

This is what I expected Dark Anchors to be like in higher-level areas. Sadly, they can all be soloed, as can the "world bosses".

Psychobunni wrote: »

But not a "party" necessarily, if out in the world as a random event, then allow anyone grouped or not to take part. Other than, yeah a massive boss spawning like once or twice a day per map would be awesome.

Let me go in the past MMO memories bag again and bring an example of how these once-per-day events can be bad. In Runes of Magic there was an Ant Queen boss you needed both for an achievement and for a quest. It spawned on a 24-hour timer from the last time it had been killed. People who encountered it never said a word except maybe to guildies or friends, so if you weren't lucky enough to chance upon it by accident, you wouldn't even know when to expect it.

In several months of playing the game, I never saw the Ant Queen.

As a soloer, I'm all in favour of more group content for those who want it, as long as there is additional solo content as well, and with the group content not being incorporated within any main story or other essential quest-lines so as to avoid having forced grouping. Ideally, all instanced content should in any event be scaled to the number of people participating from solo to full group.

Rune_Relic wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I really could have voted for any of the first 3 options in the poll, but I went for the 24+ option because with the others there's always the chance that a really good player with a good build could solo them, and if we're going to have major zone challenges (which I think we should), I want them to be ones where you have to put out a call for help in /zone and hold off on going in until you've got a good number of people around to help out.

Kind of like dolmens at launch. Don't get me wrong, I'm OK with dolmens the way they are now (for the most part - it'd be nice if there was a bit more scaling to keep it from being a total faceroll when you've got a good number of people there), but at launch they provided the "oh crap, I need a lot of people to help with this" factor, and they don't really do that any more. At-level they are soloable with a good build, and with a moderately good build they can be taken on by 2 players.

So yeah, I want something that's a major challenge, requiring a whole bunch of players to take down. I would think not more than 1 of these per zone, and not something that is instanced by group (so that people don't have to group to do it - they can just show up when someone puts out a call in /zone).

Note: I'm coming at this from the point of view of a primarily solo player. I do the vast majority of my playing solo in ESO, but I still want there to be challenging content that requires multiple players to complete.

+1 ...Spot on for me.
I don't want to see this as a group event.
I want to see this as a community event.
Where large numbers are required on the fly in a desperate battle.
Not something that happens every 5 mins 24/7 though.
Something random when enough players are online to handle it.

Excellent way to put it. That's what I'd like to see too. Not so much an event that a guild gets together and plans to go and do (although if they want to get a group together and try to find one spawning, there's no problem with that either), but something that the community as a whole gets together to complete. Or, at least, the portion of the community that's online and in that zone at the time.

MissBizz wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

I really could have voted for any of the first 3 options in the poll, but I went for the 24+ option because with the others there's always the chance that a really good player with a good build could solo them, and if we're going to have major zone challenges (which I think we should), I want them to be ones where you have to put out a call for help in /zone and hold off on going in until you've got a good number of people around to help out.

Kind of like dolmens at launch. Don't get me wrong, I'm OK with dolmens the way they are now (for the most part - it'd be nice if there was a bit more scaling to keep it from being a total faceroll when you've got a good number of people there), but at launch they provided the "oh crap, I need a lot of people to help with this" factor, and they don't really do that any more. At-level they are soloable with a good build, and with a moderately good build they can be taken on by 2 players.

So yeah, I want something that's a major challenge, requiring a whole bunch of players to take down. I would think not more than 1 of these per zone, and not something that is instanced by group (so that people don't have to group to do it - they can just show up when someone puts out a call in /zone).

Note: I'm coming at this from the point of view of a primarily solo player. I do the vast majority of my playing solo in ESO, but I still want there to be challenging content that requires multiple players to complete.

@UrQuan Quit copying what I said! Haha Just kidding. Totally agree.

Not going to lie, I read your post and said to myself "hey, yeah!" Then I posted something along very similar lines to what you said

Thymos wrote: »

I could see this... but it sure would need something to prevent just continuous farming for great unique items that may drop...

Perhaps make it something like a pledge to get the reward. So you get a daily pledge, instead of just a mass of people waiting for it to respawn to be rewarded. The pledge would be region specific, and of course level specific.

On that topic, I would be fine if they didn't drop insanely large rewards. As well, make them only happen every 4 hours or something. Something to be talked about and waited on!

I kinda like the pledge idea. A bit of a farm gate, and it's easier to delegate loot on larger fights...

Thymos wrote: »

Level appropriate rewards would be fine, perhaps maybe a new way to share some new item sets.

Would also be cool to see a few roaming in Cyrodiil.

Interesting thought for Cyrodiil, since it always comes up when scroll running to do a dolmen, might be to place a scroll at an ayleid ruin to spawn a major boss? I could see that being fun and a major fight spot as well. Imagine a world boss you need to fight with combinations of dps, tanks, healers, siege and against the 3 way fight of the other alliances =3

Thymos wrote: »

rajaniemiorama_ESO wrote: »

This game desperately needs a reason to group in PvE without forcing them to do it just for a grind.
One per faction or zone would be great.
Make it big enough that people find it challenging.
Make the fight epic enough to need a large group.
Make it fun so people want to do it in the first place.
Make it rewarding enough that people want to do it again.
And do not require grouping just to do it.
As many have already pointed out, old school dolmens are the way to go on this.

We should definitely discuss pros and cons to this.

Of course. Sort of like a enraged timer from other games would be good. So once the fight begins, if it is not settled after a certain allotment of time, then the boss gets enraged, increasing power and defense. This makes it so it just doesn't become a long chore that can be done with enough healers.

That could work. The idea is to allow an on the spot Pug to complete it, but not easily.
Should the difficulty scale based on the average level of players involved? Perhaps to the average of the highest 50%? Or perhaps it should remain static like dolmens?