driosketch wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

aww cmon he just dragon leaped in right... is that what I'm seeing here..

I remember back in the day, that I ported into the western gate for AD and there were DC inside the upper gate and were ganking us as we ported in, they were 6-8 dragonknights (when they were even more op) that used either the Leap or chaingrab to get up there, we had to horse travel with a large group from the eastern gate over to the west gate to kill them..

Yeah i know dragon leap but i found it funny plus they are not supposed to be able to set foot in our gates but was funny

Can anyone tell what happens to the DK after the last kill? Sort of just banished in a puff.

he jumped back down

ChampionSheWolf wrote: »

Other than the OPs inability to turn off the caps lock key, what I am seeing is someone complaining because PvP happened in PvP, and they feel insulted because they weren't 100% safe.

soz ur wrong i thought it was funny no complaining i release there is gankers people who skirt good sportmanship we just call for guild and follow them

LucyferLightbringer wrote: »

Sadly there is only one campaign worth playing if you are EP in EU, in other ones you are just a prey for others to farm. Seems like you picked the wrong campaign :P

had no choice raid leader for guild they picked it

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

Whats this I see??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DV9TwsosyI

AD crushing DC??? Too many AD players not enough DC players???

Again, I think it all depends on what server you play, this is the only game I know of that has **buff servers**... Servers that one alliance claims victory over and all the other alliances let them reign victorious on that server.

BTW I don't see any zerg forces that big on DC or that coordinated.

You know how old that video is, right?

OT: How about giving the gate guards the same streangth the justice guards in PvE have? It's easy to implement, feels immersie and gives unwanted visitors zero chance. Maybe make them ranged and CC-immune to avoid them getting kited.

Shrug. I don't find anything wrong with it. If a faction is so weak they can't dislodge a small number of enemy troopers outside their wall then they deserve to get farmed.

For those complaining about pvp and small group pvp.- You can engage in small group pvp right now in Cyrodiil. You might have to work a little harder for it and not attack everyone you see but you can do it and perform tasks situationally appropriate for small groups.

Hit reinforcements,
Take enemy resources to keep them from porting
tie up enemy numbers
Gank, Gank and more Gank.


You do not NEED arenas and team vs team instanced pvp. It could be fun but to act like there is no place for small group PvP in Cyrodiil is just wrong.- Granted it would be nice if there were more relevant objectives throughout Cyrodiil for small groups to deal with and help their respective alliances such as holding certain crossroads, bridges, townships, mines and camps. It would be great if all these had some impact on the alliance overall or better yet the nearest keeps but the situation is what it is and maybe ZoS will do such things later. In any case the PvP is good for small groups if a person is willing to work for it. It typically requires alot more travel. Personally I enjoy this style of play very much and like that the combat takes place within the greater Alliance struggle.

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

firstdecan wrote: »

Why doesn't ZoS just make the areas inside the gate huge AoE zones? Any enemies who get into the gate wouldn't last long.

Then we would forever miss out on the 4 Skyshards behind the gates.

Not forgetting you know... the scrolls???

Garion wrote: »

Moonshadow66 wrote: »

firstdecan wrote: »

Why doesn't ZoS just make the areas inside the gate huge AoE zones? Any enemies who get into the gate wouldn't last long.

Then we would forever miss out on the 4 Skyshards behind the gates.

Not forgetting you know... the scrolls???

Hehe, yeah, that too^^ I'm just a PvE player in Cyrodiil (due to crash issues), so I only had the skyshards in mind automatically

From the look of it, the instant kill zone for enemy faction players was made just a little bit too small, or the "instant" kill is a little bit too slow. This is somewhat of a problem, but it's not as if they are camping the spawn point at the wayshrine.

driosketch wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

aww cmon he just dragon leaped in right... is that what I'm seeing here..

I remember back in the day, that I ported into the western gate for AD and there were DC inside the upper gate and were ganking us as we ported in, they were 6-8 dragonknights (when they were even more op) that used either the Leap or chaingrab to get up there, we had to horse travel with a large group from the eastern gate over to the west gate to kill them..

Yeah i know dragon leap but i found it funny plus they are not supposed to be able to set foot in our gates but was funny

Can anyone tell what happens to the DK after the last kill? Sort of just banished in a puff.

he jumped back down

Watched a couple times, that doesn't look to be what happened.

r.jan_emailb16_ESO wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

alainjbrennanb16_ESO wrote: »

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

aww cmon he just dragon leaped in right... is that what I'm seeing here..

I remember back in the day, that I ported into the western gate for AD and there were DC inside the upper gate and were ganking us as we ported in, they were 6-8 dragonknights (when they were even more op) that used either the Leap or chaingrab to get up there, we had to horse travel with a large group from the eastern gate over to the west gate to kill them..

Yeah i know dragon leap but i found it funny plus they are not supposed to be able to set foot in our gates but was funny

Can anyone tell what happens to the DK after the last kill? Sort of just banished in a puff.

You get ported back to your own spawn almost instantly when you jump into the enemy base.

Apparently it's not instantly enough, if they had time to kill a couple players.

Noobs will be noobs and stand by the edge. I do not play a dk but I enjoy leap being able to do that to bad players.

Neighbor wrote: »

pecheckler wrote: »

I have great respect for the innovation Cyrodiil brings to PvP gaming but it is balance issues like this that just help emphasize how much I dislike it. I mean just look at it, everyone is just standing there lobbing projectiles back and forth. Considering how awesome ESO's group dungeon game play is with its twitch combat and heavy action, I am surprised we still don't have a PvP archetype that does away with the long corpse runs and boring fort siege battles, and instead focuses on on a much smaller battlefield with less than a few dozen players. I'm sure such a thing would be popular.

You know, it didn't used to be like this. Back in the day, PvP wasn't a ranged LoS fest. There was tanks charging in, Sorcs going around the flank, healers in the back.. it was sooo good. Everything was very coordinated and a group of 15 could take out a zerg of 50 if they played it right.

Why isn't it like this anymore? Well, believe it or not it all relates back to DKs. Nowadays there is really no need for tanks in organized PvP. A meat shield perma-blocking can be ignored; it is smarter to hit the enemy DPS. But back in the day, DKs could not be ignored. They were a huge threat if left unfocused, yet focusing them was exactly what they wanted you to do. A DK could perma-talon your g, drop (multiple) standards of might, and survive the fight in the frontline while the rest of your group cleans them up.

Once talon's range got gutted, DKs were much less of a threat. After consecutive ult nerfs, dropping more then 1 standard per fight pretty much never happened. DK Tanks lost their ability to be a threat, and lost the stats gain from multiiple ultimate drops. At that point, tanks became more of an irrelevant meatshield that didn't need to be included in the modern meta.

Do I think DKs were OP? Yes, absolutely. But I do believe PvP got significantly less fun without them because of how they changed the meta.

I played a templar PvP tank back then. I was totally useless in comparison to DK tanks and very quickly decided that I would never participate in Cyrodiil PvP again because of the MASSIVE balance problems. Wasn't about to hold out hope knowing full-well how long it takes Zenimax to fix issues. Remember how long it took to fix the bank randomly deleting all items, bots, item dupe exploits, invulnerable vampires in PvP, and craglorn anomaly farming? I personally know a dozen people who quit ESO because of one or several of those issues. It's a track record like that which has me just not caring about PvP and the small tweaks that it is receiving. I won't even look that direction until there is a new PvP archetype, zone, or complete redesign of Cyrodiil.

this video will be taken down for naming and shaming. nothing more

pecheckler wrote: »

I have great respect for the innovation Cyrodiil brings to PvP gaming but it is balance issues like this that just help emphasize how much I dislike it. I mean just look at it, everyone is just standing there lobbing projectiles back and forth. Considering how awesome ESO's group dungeon game play is with its twitch combat and heavy action, I am surprised we still don't have a PvP archetype that does away with the long corpse runs and boring fort siege battles, and instead focuses on on a much smaller battlefield with less than a few dozen players. I'm sure such a thing would be popular.

2 minutes to run between keeps if you die with no rez (which shouldn't be terribly often unless solo, and even then, you can often get a rez from a passerby if you whisper them nicely) mounted with rapid isn't exactly a "long corpse run", and is necessary to make the system work: unlimited reinforcements in an attrition battle defeats the entire point. The PVP is as deep or shallow as the person playing it makes it in terms of the combat... you can sit there in a zerg "lobbing projectiles back and forth", or go alone or even take 2, 4, 8 people and take on everything you can, where the individual skill matters much more than sitting in a zerg and the relative safety in numbers that provides. That doesn't mean the zerg doesn't die though.

There have been very few games that have RvR/AvA style gameplay over the years in the MMO genre, while virtually all of them have battleground/instanced poof-in-ten-minutes areas to pvp in like you're asking for. I'm sure any number of those would work for people more interested in that kind of game, instead of trying to shoehorn it into a game not designed for it .

pecheckler wrote: »

Attorneyatlawl wrote: »

pecheckler wrote: »

I have great respect for the innovation Cyrodiil brings to PvP gaming but it is balance issues like this that just help emphasize how much I dislike it. I mean just look at it, everyone is just standing there lobbing projectiles back and forth. Considering how awesome ESO's group dungeon game play is with its twitch combat and heavy action, I am surprised we still don't have a PvP archetype that does away with the long corpse runs and boring fort siege battles, and instead focuses on on a much smaller battlefield with less than a few dozen players. I'm sure such a thing would be popular.

2 minutes to run between keeps if you die with no rez (which shouldn't be terribly often unless solo, and even then, you can often get a rez from a passerby if you whisper them nicely) mounted with rapid isn't exactly a "long corpse run", and is necessary to make the system work: unlimited reinforcements in an attrition battle defeats the entire point. The PVP is as deep or shallow as the person playing it makes it in terms of the combat... you can sit there in a zerg "lobbing projectiles back and forth", or go alone or even take 2, 4, 8 people and take on everything you can, where the individual skill matters much more than sitting in a zerg and the relative safety in numbers that provides. That doesn't mean the zerg doesn't die, though .

Or I can play a game that doesn't have "bad" PvP and reserve ESO exclusively for PvE. I like my idea better!

Play something that offers what you want to play.