Some CC will not give immunity on Breaks...Petrify is an example...If I hit ya with it, then wrecking blow it'll knock you up (you then get immunity)
if I was for example do Shield Charge + Wrecking Blow...WB wouldn't knock ya up.
Fear of course will not give immunity at all unless ya break it...which makes no sense because its insanely powerful just for the fact it doesn't break on damage (Lets call it what it is..its a bloody stun)
Notice the Gina quote. ALL CC is supposed to give you immunity regardless.
And back to back WB will continuously knock you up.
I've honestly never noticed back to back wbs doing knock up twice..not sure how true that is
I'll let others "confirm" as I completely understand my word on testing isn't enough to confirm things. I suggest anyone who goes about testing this to first test that just not breaking out will lead to no immunity (WB is my control here). Then after, I would have 2 players wrecking blow the same person. Just to copy my test.
I can 100% say that Gina's claim in the OP quote I put up that all CC gives you immunity (even without breaking out) is completely false, and however this double CC is happening, it IS happening. I don't know if its when you are in the middle of the CC animation, you can still be CCed again, or if just being stunned other stuns can work only after the stun wears off are you immune (I'm sure there are other possibilities), but this is most definitely happening. My test was with wrecking blow, I am sure there are others, but I can say fear/petrify you have to break out of.
My experience with CC in cyrodiil:
a) every CC that actually gives immunity only does so once it ends. If a second CC skill lands bevor the first CC is over, the player is actually affected by the second CC. (so in regards to Huntlers example: two players using wrecking blow consecutively can golf-bat a player across the entirety of cyrodiil - except for the fact that most folks are dead after the 3rd WB)
b) it is relatively common that CCs end and still do not grant immunity: back to back fears or back to back petrifys being the most common culprits in my experience (but I have also been back-to-back crystal-frag-knockdowned)
c) sometimes I CC break, and still get CCed again within less then a second. In my experience, this only happens when the second CC lands basically right after the CC break, it never happend to me 3 or 4 seconds after the CC break (with the obvious exception of fights that were lagged to hell and back)
personally, I consider a) a design-flaw, while I assume that b) and c) could be attributed to lag-related problems
cozmon3c_ESO wrote: »shameful rage confesstion - i broke my desk the other day because i couldnt cc break fear.
Sphinx2318 wrote: »its sad that so many players can agree that there are definitive issues with CC that need fixing asap. and yet, nothing is happening on the development end. whats worse is that ZoS KNOWS about all of these issues and yet we wait for fixes that don't come.
@ZoS -- i think there can be only one take away from this thread...........
#BUFFDK's
Sphinx2318 wrote: »its sad that so many players can agree that there are definitive issues with CC that need fixing asap. and yet, nothing is happening on the development end. whats worse is that ZoS KNOWS about all of these issues and yet we wait for fixes that don't come.
@ZoS -- i think there can be only one take away from this thread...........
#BUFFDK's
Well as per Gina's quote I put in the OP, you'll see they know of our complaints, but "internal testing" showed no problems. Which is clearly wrong, so they think there isn't an issue. I literally detailed what I wanted them to test, I quoted in my last post someone who also clearly explained (better than I did) what is happening. Those are easily reproducible problems, I did it myself and ZOS can too internally if they follow the exact steps.
Sphinx2318 wrote: »Sphinx2318 wrote: »its sad that so many players can agree that there are definitive issues with CC that need fixing asap. and yet, nothing is happening on the development end. whats worse is that ZoS KNOWS about all of these issues and yet we wait for fixes that don't come.
@ZoS -- i think there can be only one take away from this thread...........
#BUFFDK's
Well as per Gina's quote I put in the OP, you'll see they know of our complaints, but "internal testing" showed no problems. Which is clearly wrong, so they think there isn't an issue. I literally detailed what I wanted them to test, I quoted in my last post someone who also clearly explained (better than I did) what is happening. Those are easily reproducible problems, I did it myself and ZOS can too internally if they follow the exact steps.
it doesn't take rocket science to figure out that DK is now least effective class as far as pvp is concerned. DK enters fight and either kills everyone or dies. we have no escape. ppl complain about 2h + wb but fail to realize that wb is NOT a DK skill but is available to ALL classes. i personally am a magicka DK. im still effective in group play but cannot imagine being able to take down an elite nb or sorc solo....OR blazing shield + healer temp for that matter. at least not without going full stam/single target build.
@ZoS -- I DONT WANT TO BE A FKN STAMINA/SINGLE TARGET DK..........thanks
Sphinx2318 wrote: »Sphinx2318 wrote: »its sad that so many players can agree that there are definitive issues with CC that need fixing asap. and yet, nothing is happening on the development end. whats worse is that ZoS KNOWS about all of these issues and yet we wait for fixes that don't come.
@ZoS -- i think there can be only one take away from this thread...........
#BUFFDK's
Well as per Gina's quote I put in the OP, you'll see they know of our complaints, but "internal testing" showed no problems. Which is clearly wrong, so they think there isn't an issue. I literally detailed what I wanted them to test, I quoted in my last post someone who also clearly explained (better than I did) what is happening. Those are easily reproducible problems, I did it myself and ZOS can too internally if they follow the exact steps.
it doesn't take rocket science to figure out that DK is now least effective class as far as pvp is concerned. DK enters fight and either kills everyone or dies. we have no escape. ppl complain about 2h + wb but fail to realize that wb is NOT a DK skill but is available to ALL classes. i personally am a magicka DK. im still effective in group play but cannot imagine being able to take down an elite nb or sorc solo....OR blazing shield + healer temp for that matter. at least not without going full stam/single target build.
@ZoS -- I DONT WANT TO BE A FKN STAMINA/SINGLE TARGET DK..........thanks
Sphinx2318 wrote: »Sphinx2318 wrote: »its sad that so many players can agree that there are definitive issues with CC that need fixing asap. and yet, nothing is happening on the development end. whats worse is that ZoS KNOWS about all of these issues and yet we wait for fixes that don't come.
@ZoS -- i think there can be only one take away from this thread...........
#BUFFDK's
Well as per Gina's quote I put in the OP, you'll see they know of our complaints, but "internal testing" showed no problems. Which is clearly wrong, so they think there isn't an issue. I literally detailed what I wanted them to test, I quoted in my last post someone who also clearly explained (better than I did) what is happening. Those are easily reproducible problems, I did it myself and ZOS can too internally if they follow the exact steps.
it doesn't take rocket science to figure out that DK is now least effective class as far as pvp is concerned. DK enters fight and either kills everyone or dies. we have no escape. ppl complain about 2h + wb but fail to realize that wb is NOT a DK skill but is available to ALL classes. i personally am a magicka DK. im still effective in group play but cannot imagine being able to take down an elite nb or sorc solo....OR blazing shield + healer temp for that matter. at least not without going full stam/single target build.
@ZoS -- I DONT WANT TO BE A FKN STAMINA/SINGLE TARGET DK..........thanks
Why do you keep trying to turn this into a buff DK thread?
Sphinx2318 wrote: »Sphinx2318 wrote: »Sphinx2318 wrote: »its sad that so many players can agree that there are definitive issues with CC that need fixing asap. and yet, nothing is happening on the development end. whats worse is that ZoS KNOWS about all of these issues and yet we wait for fixes that don't come.
@ZoS -- i think there can be only one take away from this thread...........
#BUFFDK's
Well as per Gina's quote I put in the OP, you'll see they know of our complaints, but "internal testing" showed no problems. Which is clearly wrong, so they think there isn't an issue. I literally detailed what I wanted them to test, I quoted in my last post someone who also clearly explained (better than I did) what is happening. Those are easily reproducible problems, I did it myself and ZOS can too internally if they follow the exact steps.
it doesn't take rocket science to figure out that DK is now least effective class as far as pvp is concerned. DK enters fight and either kills everyone or dies. we have no escape. ppl complain about 2h + wb but fail to realize that wb is NOT a DK skill but is available to ALL classes. i personally am a magicka DK. im still effective in group play but cannot imagine being able to take down an elite nb or sorc solo....OR blazing shield + healer temp for that matter. at least not without going full stam/single target build.
@ZoS -- I DONT WANT TO BE A FKN STAMINA/SINGLE TARGET DK..........thanks
Why do you keep trying to turn this into a buff DK thread?
try not to get your panties all in a bunch bro.
lets face it... unfortunately, this thread was inconsequential the moment it was posted. ZoS is surely aware of the CC issues and either 1. is already working on a fix (most likely) or 2. does not care about the issue. either way this thread is not going to change anything.
Sphinx2318 wrote: »Sphinx2318 wrote: »Sphinx2318 wrote: »its sad that so many players can agree that there are definitive issues with CC that need fixing asap. and yet, nothing is happening on the development end. whats worse is that ZoS KNOWS about all of these issues and yet we wait for fixes that don't come.
@ZoS -- i think there can be only one take away from this thread...........
#BUFFDK's
Well as per Gina's quote I put in the OP, you'll see they know of our complaints, but "internal testing" showed no problems. Which is clearly wrong, so they think there isn't an issue. I literally detailed what I wanted them to test, I quoted in my last post someone who also clearly explained (better than I did) what is happening. Those are easily reproducible problems, I did it myself and ZOS can too internally if they follow the exact steps.
it doesn't take rocket science to figure out that DK is now least effective class as far as pvp is concerned. DK enters fight and either kills everyone or dies. we have no escape. ppl complain about 2h + wb but fail to realize that wb is NOT a DK skill but is available to ALL classes. i personally am a magicka DK. im still effective in group play but cannot imagine being able to take down an elite nb or sorc solo....OR blazing shield + healer temp for that matter. at least not without going full stam/single target build.
@ZoS -- I DONT WANT TO BE A FKN STAMINA/SINGLE TARGET DK..........thanks
Why do you keep trying to turn this into a buff DK thread?
try not to get your panties all in a bunch bro.
lets face it... unfortunately, this thread was inconsequential the moment it was posted. ZoS is surely aware of the CC issues and either 1. is already working on a fix (most likely) or 2. does not care about the issue. either way this thread is not going to change anything.
Yeah but what about DKs???
Sphinx2318 wrote: »Sphinx2318 wrote: »Sphinx2318 wrote: »its sad that so many players can agree that there are definitive issues with CC that need fixing asap. and yet, nothing is happening on the development end. whats worse is that ZoS KNOWS about all of these issues and yet we wait for fixes that don't come.
@ZoS -- i think there can be only one take away from this thread...........
#BUFFDK's
Well as per Gina's quote I put in the OP, you'll see they know of our complaints, but "internal testing" showed no problems. Which is clearly wrong, so they think there isn't an issue. I literally detailed what I wanted them to test, I quoted in my last post someone who also clearly explained (better than I did) what is happening. Those are easily reproducible problems, I did it myself and ZOS can too internally if they follow the exact steps.
it doesn't take rocket science to figure out that DK is now least effective class as far as pvp is concerned. DK enters fight and either kills everyone or dies. we have no escape. ppl complain about 2h + wb but fail to realize that wb is NOT a DK skill but is available to ALL classes. i personally am a magicka DK. im still effective in group play but cannot imagine being able to take down an elite nb or sorc solo....OR blazing shield + healer temp for that matter. at least not without going full stam/single target build.
@ZoS -- I DONT WANT TO BE A FKN STAMINA/SINGLE TARGET DK..........thanks
Why do you keep trying to turn this into a buff DK thread?
try not to get your panties all in a bunch bro.
lets face it... unfortunately, this thread was inconsequential the moment it was posted. ZoS is surely aware of the CC issues and either 1. is already working on a fix (most likely) -- in which case they will patch it next year or 2. does not care about the issue. either way this thread is not going to change anything.
Immunity is immunity. It shouldn't matter if you don't have any stamina left. If I use all my stamina to break free, I should have immunity regardless.saintmurray wrote: »Some CC will not give immunity on Breaks...Petrify is an example...If I hit ya with it, then wrecking blow it'll knock you up (you then get immunity)
if I was for example do Shield Charge + Wrecking Blow...WB wouldn't knock ya up.
Fear of course will not give immunity at all unless ya break it...which makes no sense because its insanely powerful just for the fact it doesn't break on damage (Lets call it what it is..its a bloody stun)
Notice the Gina quote. ALL CC is supposed to give you immunity regardless.
And back to back WB will continuously knock you up.
I've honestly never noticed back to back wbs doing knock up twice..not sure how true that is
Not wanting to poke the bee hive because I wanna stay on topic bagging cc but I think if you run outa stam from blocking you will continuously be knocked up
I would like to know more about their internal testing process. Does it involve top of the line computers optimized for the game? Do they use any addons? Are they feet away from where the server is located and have a ping 10? When they say "test" I'd really like to know what that means.Sphinx2318 wrote: »its sad that so many players can agree that there are definitive issues with CC that need fixing asap. and yet, nothing is happening on the development end. whats worse is that ZoS KNOWS about all of these issues and yet we wait for fixes that don't come.
@ZoS -- i think there can be only one take away from this thread...........
#BUFFDK's
Well as per Gina's quote I put in the OP, you'll see they know of our complaints, but "internal testing" showed no problems. Which is clearly wrong, so they think there isn't an issue. I literally detailed what I wanted them to test, I quoted in my last post someone who also clearly explained (better than I did) what is happening. Those are easily reproducible problems, I did it myself and ZOS can too internally if they follow the exact steps.
eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »I would like to know more about their internal testing process. Does it involve top of the line computers optimized for the game? Do they use any addons? Are they feet away from where the server is located and have a ping 10? When they say "test" I'd really like to know what that means.Sphinx2318 wrote: »its sad that so many players can agree that there are definitive issues with CC that need fixing asap. and yet, nothing is happening on the development end. whats worse is that ZoS KNOWS about all of these issues and yet we wait for fixes that don't come.
@ZoS -- i think there can be only one take away from this thread...........
#BUFFDK's
Well as per Gina's quote I put in the OP, you'll see they know of our complaints, but "internal testing" showed no problems. Which is clearly wrong, so they think there isn't an issue. I literally detailed what I wanted them to test, I quoted in my last post someone who also clearly explained (better than I did) what is happening. Those are easily reproducible problems, I did it myself and ZOS can too internally if they follow the exact steps.
eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Immunity is immunity. It shouldn't matter if you don't have any stamina left. If I use all my stamina to break free, I should have immunity regardless.saintmurray wrote: »Some CC will not give immunity on Breaks...Petrify is an example...If I hit ya with it, then wrecking blow it'll knock you up (you then get immunity)
if I was for example do Shield Charge + Wrecking Blow...WB wouldn't knock ya up.
Fear of course will not give immunity at all unless ya break it...which makes no sense because its insanely powerful just for the fact it doesn't break on damage (Lets call it what it is..its a bloody stun)
Notice the Gina quote. ALL CC is supposed to give you immunity regardless.
And back to back WB will continuously knock you up.
I've honestly never noticed back to back wbs doing knock up twice..not sure how true that is
Not wanting to poke the bee hive because I wanna stay on topic bagging cc but I think if you run outa stam from blocking you will continuously be knocked up
saintmurray wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Immunity is immunity. It shouldn't matter if you don't have any stamina left. If I use all my stamina to break free, I should have immunity regardless.saintmurray wrote: »Some CC will not give immunity on Breaks...Petrify is an example...If I hit ya with it, then wrecking blow it'll knock you up (you then get immunity)
if I was for example do Shield Charge + Wrecking Blow...WB wouldn't knock ya up.
Fear of course will not give immunity at all unless ya break it...which makes no sense because its insanely powerful just for the fact it doesn't break on damage (Lets call it what it is..its a bloody stun)
Notice the Gina quote. ALL CC is supposed to give you immunity regardless.
And back to back WB will continuously knock you up.
I've honestly never noticed back to back wbs doing knock up twice..not sure how true that is
Not wanting to poke the bee hive because I wanna stay on topic bagging cc but I think if you run outa stam from blocking you will continuously be knocked up
I was referring to why people get knocked up continously. Not cc break if you break cc you should be imune. But if you break it run outa stam then cc immunity ends you will get knocked again.
saintmurray wrote: »eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »Immunity is immunity. It shouldn't matter if you don't have any stamina left. If I use all my stamina to break free, I should have immunity regardless.saintmurray wrote: »Some CC will not give immunity on Breaks...Petrify is an example...If I hit ya with it, then wrecking blow it'll knock you up (you then get immunity)
if I was for example do Shield Charge + Wrecking Blow...WB wouldn't knock ya up.
Fear of course will not give immunity at all unless ya break it...which makes no sense because its insanely powerful just for the fact it doesn't break on damage (Lets call it what it is..its a bloody stun)
Notice the Gina quote. ALL CC is supposed to give you immunity regardless.
And back to back WB will continuously knock you up.
I've honestly never noticed back to back wbs doing knock up twice..not sure how true that is
Not wanting to poke the bee hive because I wanna stay on topic bagging cc but I think if you run outa stam from blocking you will continuously be knocked up
I was referring to why people get knocked up continously. Not cc break if you break cc you should be imune. But if you break it run outa stam then cc immunity ends you will get knocked again.
That is most certainly NOT what is being referenced in the OP.
eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »I would like to know more about their internal testing process. Does it involve top of the line computers optimized for the game? Do they use any addons? Are they feet away from where the server is located and have a ping 10? When they say "test" I'd really like to know what that means.Sphinx2318 wrote: »its sad that so many players can agree that there are definitive issues with CC that need fixing asap. and yet, nothing is happening on the development end. whats worse is that ZoS KNOWS about all of these issues and yet we wait for fixes that don't come.
@ZoS -- i think there can be only one take away from this thread...........
#BUFFDK's
Well as per Gina's quote I put in the OP, you'll see they know of our complaints, but "internal testing" showed no problems. Which is clearly wrong, so they think there isn't an issue. I literally detailed what I wanted them to test, I quoted in my last post someone who also clearly explained (better than I did) what is happening. Those are easily reproducible problems, I did it myself and ZOS can too internally if they follow the exact steps.