Asia Server - Millions Requesting!

TagaParti · April 2015

You want business? Think about the market. Asia, the biggest continent who got so many people playing games. Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Filipinos, Indians, Malaysians, Singaporeans, and so much more.

Asian players no matter how good they are simply can't be competitive because of high latency/ping. Same thing applies for Australians. That is the main reason they are hesitant to play this game. However, theres still a great number of players from Asia & Australia playing in the US server.

Asia got so many languages, but no worries, they can understand English perfectly. All you have to do is make another server for them.

Millions are waiting!

everyer · April 2015

I really hope there would be an ASIA server, especially for the PS4 players.
Even BF4 has an ASIA server.

KerinKor · April 2015

TagaParti wrote: »

You want business? Think about the market. Asia, the biggest continent who got so many people playing games. Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Filipinos, Indians, Malaysians, Singaporeans, and so much more.

Asian players no matter how good they are simply can't be competitive because of high latency/ping. Same thing applies for Australians. That is the main reason they are hesitant to play this game. However, theres still a great number of players from Asia & Australia playing in the US server.

Asia got so many languages, but no worries, they can understand English perfectly. All you have to do is make another server for them.

Millions are waiting!

My experience with FFXI since '05 and FFXIV since '10 tells me neither your assertion about 'ping' nor that use of English by Asians (generally Japanese but also others) are correct.

I'm in England and I play on FFXI servers in Japan (that's where all game servers are) without any problems, have done for 10 years, and while I do play on FFXIV 'NA' servers I also have characters on the JP farm and again, no problems.

My Internet route to Japan goes across to NA then on to Japan, clearly Asian players route to America is noticeably less than mine so they'd have even less problems than I theoretically may have.

As for English, large numbers of Japanese don't want to use English because while they may speak it a bit they're not fluent and often don't want to embarrass themselves: no, I'm NOT being racist I'm telling you what a few JP players in the FF Linkshells ('guilds') I'm in tell me.

I have no reason to think players in other 'Asian' countries are much different.

I'm not arguing there should be an 'Asian' server farm .. there won't be, believe me, there won't be enough PS4 players to justify it .. but your arguments in favour don't match the reality I've seen playing MMOs where significant numbers of 'Asian' players can be found .. and I haven't even mentioned Lineage yet ...

TagaParti · April 2015

KerinKor wrote: »

TagaParti wrote: »

You want business? Think about the market. Asia, the biggest continent who got so many people playing games. Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Filipinos, Indians, Malaysians, Singaporeans, and so much more.

Asian players no matter how good they are simply can't be competitive because of high latency/ping. Same thing applies for Australians. That is the main reason they are hesitant to play this game. However, theres still a great number of players from Asia & Australia playing in the US server.

Asia got so many languages, but no worries, they can understand English perfectly. All you have to do is make another server for them.

Millions are waiting!

My experience with FFXI since '05 and FFXIV since '10 tells me neither your assertion about 'ping' nor that use of English by Asians (generally Japanese but also others) are correct.

I play on FFXI Japanese servers without any problems, have done for 10 years, and while I do play on FFXIV 'NA' servers I also have characters on the JP farm and again, no problems.

As for English, large numbers of Japanese don't want to use English because while they may speak it a bit they're not fluent and often don't want to embarrass themselves: no, I'm NOT being racist I'm telling you what a few JP players in the FF Linkshells ('guilds') I'm in tell me.

I have no reason to think players in other 'Asian' countries are much different.

I'm not arguing there should be an 'Asian' server farm .. there won't be, believe me, there won't be enough PS4 players to justify it .. but your arguments in favour don't match the reality I've seen playing MMOs where significant numbers of 'Asian' players can be found .. and I haven't even mentioned Lineage yet ...

Suntzu1414 · April 2015

Hmm...

I need to point out. As an "asia player":

1. Latency from (direct hard line in) China, averages 200-400 ping. In pvp this can jump to 999+.
2. There are many asian countries that choke or restrict bandwith. Routing through Asia, you wouldn't notice this.
3. Now that ESO is B2P. The market is wide open.

TagaParti should be hired for his strategic sense...

Kill Well
ST

Forumer-in-Prison · April 2015

Lol at the "Millions" when I don't even think ESO NA mega server breaks the 1k players online mark. Well it might, but it certainly does not feel that way with regards to visibility of other player toons.

The lag though, yup the lag is like a Billion are playing.

Raash · April 2015

Suntzu1414 wrote: »

Hmm...

I need to point out. As an "asia player":

1. Latency from (direct hard line in) China, averages 200-400 ping. In pvp this can jump to 999+.
2. There are many asian countries that choke or restrict bandwith. Routing through Asia, you wouldn't notice this.
3. Now that ESO is B2P. The market is wide open.

TagaParti should be hired for his strategic sense...

Kill Well
ST

Well I have same latency issues here in sweden aswell so I do not think its a location issue at all.

Micallef · April 2015

Connecting to NA server from south-east Asia, my ping rarely exceeds 250-300ms, even in PVP.

While I do understand the request, I don't think the total amount of players justify another server farm. It may open up a market but personally I wouldn't use it because my friends/acquaintances are mainly in NA.
Also, I believe that any claims regarding a potential market should be based on a market study, not guesswork.

I'm originally from EU but I've always played NA servers, any game.

everyer · April 2015

KerinKor wrote: »

TagaParti wrote: »

You want business? Think about the market. Asia, the biggest continent who got so many people playing games. Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Filipinos, Indians, Malaysians, Singaporeans, and so much more.

Asian players no matter how good they are simply can't be competitive because of high latency/ping. Same thing applies for Australians. That is the main reason they are hesitant to play this game. However, theres still a great number of players from Asia & Australia playing in the US server.

Asia got so many languages, but no worries, they can understand English perfectly. All you have to do is make another server for them.

Millions are waiting!

My experience with FFXI since '05 and FFXIV since '10 tells me neither your assertion about 'ping' nor that use of English by Asians (generally Japanese but also others) are correct.

I'm in England and I play on FFXI servers in Japan (that's where all game servers are) without any problems, have done for 10 years, and while I do play on FFXIV 'NA' servers I also have characters on the JP farm and again, no problems.

My Internet route to Japan goes across to NA then on to Japan, clearly Asian players route to America is noticeably less than mine so they'd have even less problems than I theoretically may have.

As for English, large numbers of Japanese don't want to use English because while they may speak it a bit they're not fluent and often don't want to embarrass themselves: no, I'm NOT being racist I'm telling you what a few JP players in the FF Linkshells ('guilds') I'm in tell me.

I have no reason to think players in other 'Asian' countries are much different.

I'm not arguing there should be an 'Asian' server farm .. there won't be, believe me, there won't be enough PS4 players to justify it .. but your arguments in favour don't match the reality I've seen playing MMOs where significant numbers of 'Asian' players can be found .. and I haven't even mentioned Lineage yet ...

Your experience cant be compared with other players. I'm an FFXIV player and playing EU server with my French friends and I found that the ping makes it too hard for raid activities! I'm a 6 years WOW pve player so it's not my fault. It's just the physical distance problem.

RainfeatherUK · April 2015

I travel alot, find the latency varies from location to location and game to game.

Those quoting individual experiences are pretty useless for that reason.

That said, when I was a competitive PvPer in Korean and Chinese MMO's even a ping of 100+ was pushing it in terms of reflex speed sometimes. Playing against someone with 30ms or below, as I often did made it difficult at best. Primarily because anything over 100+ wasnt usually that stable either and spiked well beyond that.

If you are one of these people with a flat high ping of 200+ I wouldn't blame you for wanting a more localized server. I had to transfer to NA aion from K-Aion for similar reasons.

The latency in ESO is universally terrible, so its sort of balanced for my friends and I lol. At this stage though, I suspect its the least of their worries.

Tomsy · April 2015

How about at least 1 Oceanic Cyrodiil server? Having a high ping isn't to bad in PVE. But in PVP it really hinders gameplay.

bertenburnyb16_ESO · April 2015

wont make a difference since the server will be in US anyways, would only be asia in name

heng14rwb17_ESO · April 2015

400 ms ping from singapore to EU server

wOOOOt_of_SD · April 2015

Well for 1 year they have not been able to implement a few special letters that the Nordic countries use,
so I can imagine any asian alphabet will come around 2025.

/sarcasm done..

PS. Im from Denmark, and we use Æ, Ø and Å in our daily communication. Funny enough the Æ Works in ESO, but not Ø and Å, so go figure...?? ;p

On a serious note, I imagine translating the entire game to another language is a super-huge task.

TagaParti · April 2015

Micallef wrote: »

Connecting to NA server from south-east Asia, my ping rarely exceeds 250-300ms, even in PVP.

While I do understand the request, I don't think the total amount of players justify another server farm. It may open up a market but personally I wouldn't use it because my friends/acquaintances are mainly in NA.
Also, I believe that any claims regarding a potential market should be based on a market study, not guesswork.

I'm originally from EU but I've always played NA servers, any game.

here's a sample study. Dota 2 is an online game, ping is an utmost importance on this game due to its competitiveness. It have US, Europe, Asia, Australia servers. Combine the US and Europe server and still the Asia server got more players in total and online at the moment. Chinese players are always the top players for games involving player vs player. No bias here, im not a chinese.

phairdon · April 2015

Millions requesting? Guess the game is in great shape numbers wise.

jbcrocks · April 2015

Are there Filipinos here like me?

currently playing in the eu megaserver.

GamerzElite · April 2015

Do not expect anything from ZOS, they secretly shifted EU server to US. They love free hype, silent players and more sell in crown store. People able to play or not they doesn't care.

nimander99 · April 2015

KerinKor wrote: »

TagaParti wrote: »

You want business? Think about the market. Asia, the biggest continent who got so many people playing games. Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Filipinos, Indians, Malaysians, Singaporeans, and so much more.

Asian players no matter how good they are simply can't be competitive because of high latency/ping. Same thing applies for Australians. That is the main reason they are hesitant to play this game. However, theres still a great number of players from Asia & Australia playing in the US server.

Asia got so many languages, but no worries, they can understand English perfectly. All you have to do is make another server for them.

Millions are waiting!

My experience with FFXI since '05 and FFXIV since '10 tells me neither your assertion about 'ping' nor that use of English by Asians (generally Japanese but also others) are correct.

I'm in England and I play on FFXI servers in Japan (that's where all game servers are) without any problems, have done for 10 years, and while I do play on FFXIV 'NA' servers I also have characters on the JP farm and again, no problems.

My Internet route to Japan goes across to NA then on to Japan, clearly Asian players route to America is noticeably less than mine so they'd have even less problems than I theoretically may have.

As for English, large numbers of Japanese don't want to use English because while they may speak it a bit they're not fluent and often don't want to embarrass themselves: no, I'm NOT being racist I'm telling you what a few JP players in the FF Linkshells ('guilds') I'm in tell me.

I have no reason to think players in other 'Asian' countries are much different.

I'm not arguing there should be an 'Asian' server farm .. there won't be, believe me, there won't be enough PS4 players to justify it .. but your arguments in favour don't match the reality I've seen playing MMOs where significant numbers of 'Asian' players can be found .. and I haven't even mentioned Lineage yet ...

Yes, but don't forget that you are only fighting 4 other people for a connection to FF11.

drschplatt · April 2015

TagaParti wrote: »

You want business? Think about the market. Asia, the biggest continent who got so many people playing games. Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Filipinos, Indians, Malaysians, Singaporeans, and so much more.

Asian players no matter how good they are simply can't be competitive because of high latency/ping. Same thing applies for Australians. That is the main reason they are hesitant to play this game. However, theres still a great number of players from Asia & Australia playing in the US server.

Asia got so many languages, but no worries, they can understand English perfectly. All you have to do is make another server for them.

Millions are waiting!

I've been living in Asia for over a decade as a teacher and can tell you with 100% certainty that people here do not understand English perfectly and won't use it if there are other options. Some countries like Malaysia, Singapore and the Philippines would manage with English, but not China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Cambodia, Laos, and Thailand.

As a player in Asia, I'd love to have a better ping, but I doubt I'd play on an Asia server if it were offered due to the language barrier and the fact that I doubt it would be full. There are so many MMOs over here in people's native languages that ESO would have a hard go of it.

Natjur · April 2015

Have it based in Singapore and that will also help the Australian and New Zealand players. But its not going to happen, they do not have the player base yet to support 3 server farm locations

wrlifeboil · April 2015

KerinKor wrote: »

TagaParti wrote: »

You want business? Think about the market. Asia, the biggest continent who got so many people playing games. Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Filipinos, Indians, Malaysians, Singaporeans, and so much more.

Asian players no matter how good they are simply can't be competitive because of high latency/ping. Same thing applies for Australians. That is the main reason they are hesitant to play this game. However, theres still a great number of players from Asia & Australia playing in the US server.

Asia got so many languages, but no worries, they can understand English perfectly. All you have to do is make another server for them.

Millions are waiting!

My experience with FFXI since '05 and FFXIV since '10 tells me neither your assertion about 'ping' nor that use of English by Asians (generally Japanese but also others) are correct.

I'm in England and I play on FFXI servers in Japan (that's where all game servers are) without any problems, have done for 10 years, and while I do play on FFXIV 'NA' servers I also have characters on the JP farm and again, no problems.

My Internet route to Japan goes across to NA then on to Japan, clearly Asian players route to America is noticeably less than mine so they'd have even less problems than I theoretically may have.

As for English, large numbers of Japanese don't want to use English because while they may speak it a bit they're not fluent and often don't want to embarrass themselves: no, I'm NOT being racist I'm telling you what a few JP players in the FF Linkshells ('guilds') I'm in tell me.

I have no reason to think players in other 'Asian' countries are much different.

I'm not arguing there should be an 'Asian' server farm .. there won't be, believe me, there won't be enough PS4 players to justify it .. but your arguments in favour don't match the reality I've seen playing MMOs where significant numbers of 'Asian' players can be found .. and I haven't even mentioned Lineage yet ...

WoW has more 'subscribers' in Asia (nearly all are in China) than in the U.S. and Europe combined.

But whether ESO will show up in Asia (meaning China), it would take many months maybe perhaps years even ZOS was interested. The government there regulates everything.

BrassRazoo · April 2015

Having it in China or Japan would not benefit anyone in South East Asia or Australia and New Zealand.
Ping to USA would still be better.
A server to benefit South East Asia and Australia and New Zealand would need to be in South-East Asia itself.
I for one support this as the NA server latency from Australia is absolute garbage at the best of times.
I am moving to Xbox One soon so I hope latency and general responsiveness will improve.
If it remains as poor as it is at present I think that will just about do me.

Merlin13KAGL · April 2015

Apparently only 23 of them have forum accounts.

ThatHappyCat · April 2015

Anyone who thinks a server in Singapore (much less Japan or China) would let Australian and Kiwi players play with less ping than in the US don't know what they're talking about... the way the submarine cables work, connecting to East Asia (and Singapore) from AU/NZ requires going across the Pacific to the US then back to East Asia, resulting in much higher ping than simply connecting to the US.

And given the tiny population of AU/NZ and the ridiculousness of our telecom companies here, it simply makes no sense to put a server here unless ESO has WoW-level population.

BRogueNZ · April 2015

While its very frustrating to be even a split second behind reality a server anywhere else other than perhaps Australia would not help as mentioned above its just another jump.

Patiently waiting for fibre to be hooked up in my town which would help but I'm not holding my breath.

drschplatt · April 2015

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Anyone who thinks a server in Singapore (much less Japan or China) would let Australian and Kiwi players play with less ping than in the US don't know what they're talking about... the way the submarine cables work, connecting to East Asia (and Singapore) from AU/NZ requires going across the Pacific to the US then back to East Asia, resulting in much higher ping than simply connecting to the US.

And given the tiny population of AU/NZ and the ridiculousness of our telecom companies here, it simply makes no sense to put a server here unless ESO has WoW-level population.

I live in Taiwan and when I ping Australian and New Zealand servers my averages are about the same as pinging the western USA. If what you say is true, the latency should be much worse because I'd have to make the hop across the ocean twice. I get about 150 - 200ms ping from LA and a 150 - 200ms from Melbourne and Sydney. If I ping Singapore, I average about 70ms.

Karamis_Vimardon · April 2015

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

*snip*
the way the submarine cables work, connecting to East Asia (and Singapore) from AU/NZ requires going across the Pacific to the US then back to East Asia, resulting in much higher ping than simply connecting to the US.
*snip*

Auckland->Sydney->Guam->Manilla->Singapore, Sydney->Guam->Manilla->Singapore, and Perth->Singapore. Never touches US mainland, not even close.

BRogueNZ · April 2015

markgd88nrb18_ESO wrote: »

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

*snip*
the way the submarine cables work, connecting to East Asia (and Singapore) from AU/NZ requires going across the Pacific to the US then back to East Asia, resulting in much higher ping than simply connecting to the US.
*snip*

Auckland->Sydney->Guam->Manilla->Singapore, Sydney->Guam->Manilla->Singapore, and Perth->Singapore. Never touches US mainland, not even close.

Most modern Telco's in NZ anyway connect to the US probably more directly than to Asia

emre.as.aslanb16_ESO · April 2015

I declare all your points invalid. EU players playing on EU server. Having the worst lags since dial-up modems.
So if there are lags now, there will be lags on the other server as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbBOXu3SOss

Dixa · April 2015

you can count on one hand the number of western mmorpg's that have released in asia and done well. the market is oversaturated there.