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Please Don't Offer Race Changes (Poll)
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Ace_SiN✭✭✭✭I want my high elf to be an argonian
Considering how ZOS balances things, my argonian is going to be OP one day. Just you wait and see.
They're going to add race change and ESO will turn to this:
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/pvp/leaderboards/3v3
At one point Orcs and Trolls ruled the competitive ladders(for most of the game's life span). Racials were changed and paid Race Changes were made. This is the future for competitive play. ZOS will be happy.Edited by Ace_SiN on April 26, 2015 7:34AMKing of Beasts0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.I dont understand why people againts race change. Im going to pay and its my char is this hurt you in some way or it affects your gameplay ?
It's an unnecessary distraction from other more pressing development work, and is a further erosion of the structure of a game when no decision you make carries any responsibility with it because you can always change it later. It also leads inevitably to FOTM templates which get changed every major update so people are never really satisfied for long, and the diversity of characters is lost.
Edited by Tandor on April 26, 2015 7:41AM3 -
maryriv✭✭✭✭I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.If they offer it I hope it's 50 dollars per character change.0 -
Saft✭✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.Add it so they earn money on something, race/gender change + a barber thing to change apearance is cash shops biggest farm in future.
THey need the money to give us a good game.0 -
BEZDNA✭✭✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.xMovingTarget wrote: »I WANT RACE CHANGE!!!! I'M FED UP WITH LEVELING NEW CHARACTERS FROM PATCH TO PATCH, DEPENDING ON WHICH BUILDS (MAGICKA OR STAMINA) AND RACEC THEY MAKE SUPERIOR!
In 1.6 I alredy lvled up second NB, becous my first one was Argonin, and they nerfed him into oblivion, alredy lvled up second templar, becous my first one was a breton and he can't be competitive as a dps with imperials or redguards.
PLEASE ADD RACE CHANGE!!! I CAN"T WAIT FOR IT!!!
Cmon abs, don't be lazy
Well, i alredy lvled 2 chars in 1.6 and lvling 3'rd one atm, so you can't call me lazy for that
But i'm quite OK that i have to lvl up one more char with different race only because at the current state of the game stamina or magica builds have advantages, but when i have to lvl up one more char with differenct race only because my old race was nerfed into oblivion , when it was quite good in a patch before (happend to argonians in 1.6), that is totaly pissis me off! And for situations like this they shud provide free race chage with no doubt.1 -
Jamersonb16_ESO✭✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.I dont understand why people againts race change. Im going to pay and its my char is this hurt you in some way or it affects your gameplay ?
It's an unnecessary distraction from other more pressing development work, and is a further erosion of the structure of a game when no decision you make carries any responsibility with it because you can always change it later. It also leads inevitably to FOTM templates which get changed every major update so people are never really satisfied for long, and the diversity of characters is lost.
So we should remove skill/attribute point resets as hey, the game is pointless if you can change your mind about a decision... When ZOS turned some of the morphs into stamina-based skills, you should have been stuck with them as a magika user to 'teach you some responsibility'?!
And more importantly, your 'point' is completely invalid as the players didn't make a mistake when they picked their race, ZOS just completely changed some of the passives, and turned what were great decisions by players at the time into jokes...
As has been pointed out again and again, if you don't want to change your race, allowing others to do so only benefits you - more money in the ZOS kitty with zero impact on you. All this crap about 'pressure to change your race to compete' won't affect you, because hey you picked your race for the back story so will take the moral high ground and rise above said pressure..Edited by Jamersonb16_ESO on April 26, 2015 10:05AM2 -
Anilahation✭✭✭✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.
Can you show me a game where this has happened that offer race changes?
Ohh it doesn't...
Majority of Horde is Blood elves even though there racials are crap compared to pandas,orcs and trolls.1 -
Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.My nephew used to be in a very high-end WoW guild. He'd regularly change race / faction after a major update to do the number crunching to eek out every last advantage he could.
Spent a fortune on it.
If ZoS add this feature, and don't over price it, it will be be a nice revenue stream for them.
But overprice it and people will rightly feel they are being gouged and simply not buy it.
All The BestThose memories come back to haunt me, they haunt me like a curse.
Is a dream a lie if it don't come true, or is it something worse.0 -
Alphashado✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I dont understand why people againts race change. Im going to pay and its my char is this hurt you in some way or it affects your gameplay ?
It's an unnecessary distraction from other more pressing development work, and is a further erosion of the structure of a game when no decision you make carries any responsibility with it because you can always change it later. It also leads inevitably to FOTM templates which get changed every major update so people are never really satisfied for long, and the diversity of characters is lost.
Man I am tired of hearing this. My character's racial passives no longer match my build and play style anymore and it has nothing to do with any decision I made and EVERYTHING to do with changes zos made. Please stop with this ridiculous finger pointing.
All these excuses to keep race changes out of the game sound petty when compared to situations where people had their characters altered by developmental changes.
Edited by Alphashado on April 26, 2015 8:09PM4 -
Kreetar✭✭✭I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.yeah, I agree that some things, at least one thing has to stay the same. but I believe they've already made plans to introduce this.
dip me in the blood of mortals and throw me to the Dremora0 -
AngryNord✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »Bad poll, not voting.
I see no reason to be against race changes personally.
If they aren't getting kicked for that reason now, they won't be getting kicked for it even after race changes.
No one is going to be that unreasonable.
You've got a lot to learn about the world and mankind...0 -
WhiskyBob✭✭✭✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.Lets be honest.
They will never balance Imperials.0 -
Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.
This is just be silly and vindictive because it is a feature you don't want.
I see no reason for PvP and would rather Development time/resources not be wasted of it, how about PvP access cost $15 a match and if you die you lose everything, get reset to level 1 and have to start again. Let's have real hard-core PvP where the choices you make really matter.
Race Change should never cost more than two month's subscription IMO.
It would be appropriate to reset any Faction specific achievements ONLY if the race change also required a faction change.
Race Change and Appearance Change are now seen as basic functions in MMOs that really should be there at launch in any game that aspires to a AAA rating.
All The BestThose memories come back to haunt me, they haunt me like a curse.
Is a dream a lie if it don't come true, or is it something worse.2 -
dafox187✭✭✭I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.It makes no sense my khajit cant grow scales also it would break the 3 race per alliance thin g
don't get mad at my spelling, autocorrect doesn't cover fantasy.
Why couldn't the Khajiit go to the party? She had to be Elsweyr.0 -
eNumbra✭✭✭✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.
Let me guess; someone stole your Sweetroll.It makes no sense my khajit cant grow scales also it would break the 3 race per alliance thin g
And if you bought the explorers pack, you already broke the three race per alliance "thing".
There are already plenty of characters "outside of faction races" in the game. Race change, changes nothing.Edited by eNumbra on April 26, 2015 12:44PM1 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.Alphashado wrote: »
Man I am tired of hearing this. My character's racial passives no longer match my build and play style anymore and it has nothing to do with any decision I made and EVERYTHING to do with changes zos made. Please stop with this ridiculous finger pointing.
All these excuses to keep race changes out of the game are petty.Jamersonb16_ESO wrote: »
As has been pointed out again and again, if you don't want to change your race, allowing others to do so only benefits you - more money in the ZOS kitty with zero impact on you. All this crap about 'pressure to change your race to compete' won't affect you, because hey you picked your race for the back story so will take the moral high ground and rise above said pressure..
The way to compensate for changes to racial passives having resulted in characters' performance being changed is through appropriate balancing changes with those passives. If there is a valid issue with racial passives resulting in competitive players feeling they have no option but to change the race of their characters then that should be addressed by the developers. Simply making players responsible for reacting to imperfect changes in racial passives is dodging the issue on the part of the developers, and passing the buck to the players in a way that will be doubtless be implemented so as to raise cash in the crown store. That is an unfortunate precedent we should resist.
I suspect that people make too much of the perceived racial passive imbalances, but if they are an issue they should be re-visited by the developers. If a certain race change is necessary to allow the character to be competitive (and once again we are doubtless talking about a change that is necessary wholly or primarily for PvP) then it certainly shouldn't be accessible through the crown store or we shall have the whole P2W crowd up in arms.
Even if I don't want to change my characters' races, it impacts on me in two ways. First, it is another step down the road of dumbing down the MMO genre when every decision taken is capable of being changed later on by the players while the developers no longer need to provide proper balancing to the game, and second it is likely to set an undesirable precedent of changes in the game being available through the crown store and not through normal patching process. I object to it on both counts.Edited by Tandor on April 26, 2015 1:09PM2 -
Dedhed✭✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.I voted yes. That is all. Happy gaming."This is like talking to breakfast cereal" -- Fredericks in Otherland talking about Wicked Tribe. Also a great description of zone chat.0 -
Gidorick✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.I don't get what a race change would accomplish except allowing min-maxers to all become one or two races. This feature really seems like it would be ripe for abuse, from players and from ZOS. What would prevent ZOS from regularly "rebalancing" classes to "encourage" players to pay to change their race?
I think it's more important for ZOS to balance race passives than it is to allow for race change. If they were to offer race change I would personally prefer most racial passives to be removed so that race is little more than a cosmetic choice, but I really don't want that either.Edited by Gidorick on April 26, 2015 2:16PMWhat ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
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PKMN12✭✭✭✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.I don't get what a race change would accomplish except allowing min-maxers to all become one or two races. This feature really seems like it would be ripe for abuse, from players and from ZOS. What would prevent ZOS from regularly "rebalancing" classes to "encourage" players to pay to change their race?
I think it's more important for ZOS to balance race passives than it is to allow for race change. If they were to offer race change I would personally prefer most racial passives to be removed so that race is little more than a cosmetic choice, but I really don't want that either.
It would a lot of people to change race simply cause they want to. For example, in FF14, i originally was a human male Conjurer, but i did not like the way he looked after a while, and also wanted to make a elf one. So i changed his race to the Ellavan (the elven race ingame). had no effect on gameplay for me or anyone else, but you would be surprised how many people do it simply cause they want to be a different race.3 -
Dragnelus✭✭✭They will def make money with it, race change, factuon change. And I wouldnt mind. Prob wont use. But if they make money with it and make more content etc. Then do it ^^1 -
Gandrhulf_Harbard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.For example, in FF14, i originally was a human male Conjurer, but i did not like the way he looked after a while, and also wanted to make a elf one. So i changed his race to the Ellavan (the elven race ingame). had no effect on gameplay for me or anyone else, but you would be surprised how many people do it simply cause they want to be a different race.
In LOTRO I had my main parked and ready for deletion because I wasn't happy with how he looked, couldn't even bring myself to log in on him, didn't play him at all for nearly 8 months.
Then one day on an Alt I looted some armour, loved the look of it instantly, and knew straight away that it would make me want to play my main again. So I added it to the Wardrobe function, equipped it cosmetically on my main and went back to playing him.
I've only been playing ESO a couple of months, I'm on my 5th toon through the 1st 15 levels of Auridon, the other all got deleted because I wasn't happy how they looked. ZoS could easily have had £50 out of me over that time if there was a paid Race Change option; but there wasn't so I deleted them and started from scratch.
Maybe that is what elitist purists want (until it affect them of course), but I'm sure ZoS would rather have had £50 of my money for doing nothing more than adding in what is now considered baseline functionality in the MMO market.
All The Best
Edited by Gandrhulf_Harbard on April 26, 2015 3:15PMThose memories come back to haunt me, they haunt me like a curse.
Is a dream a lie if it don't come true, or is it something worse.3 -
Thavie✭✭✭✭I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.sylviermoone wrote: »Would rather see racials be more balanced, and even so don't think changing races should be an option.
This. Passives should be balanced."We grew under a bad sun"0 -
Xjcon✭✭✭✭✭ThatHappyCat wrote: »Instead of offering race changes, balance racials as they are without drastically changing them up, so people who chose their race to match their build don't find that their build suddenly doesn't work. I like that some choices are permanent, and your race should really be the most permanent of your permanent choices. If you do introduce race changes, then people will likely start asking for class changes as well... after all, your class seems to hold less permanence than your race, so why not?
... And if you absolutely must introduce race (and possibly class) changes, please make them cost a ton of crowns.
EDIT: To clarify, Option 4 means you want a race change because ZOS changed racials drastically or you want one IF ZOS changes racials drastically.
The people want it. You asking them not to will not change the fact that this will be a large sum of money for them.
For me at this point it's too late, I am almost done rerolling my Dunmer DK.Briza Do'urdenx V16 Dunmer DK
Jcon V16 Orc DK
Vierna Do'urdenx V16 Bosmer NB
Jarlaxle Baenrex V16 Dunmer NB0 -
joshisanonymous✭✭✭✭✭I won't use, and don't want to see race changes.Such a terrible idea meant purely to cater to hardcore min/maxers. Seriously, race does not make that much of a difference. If it's a life-altering issue for you, just reroll. It would take max a month of playing to get right back to VR14 if you really want to. What is so horrible about having to play an RPG like an RPG? Choices need to matters on at least some level.0 -
PKMN12✭✭✭✭✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.joshisanonymous wrote: »Such a terrible idea meant purely to cater to hardcore min/maxers. Seriously, race does not make that much of a difference. If it's a life-altering issue for you, just reroll. It would take max a month of playing to get right back to VR14 if you really want to. What is so horrible about having to play an RPG like an RPG? Choices need to matters on at least some level.
that same month could be used to be having fun, instead of repeating something (veteran ranks) that most people agree is TERRIBLE0 -
milesrodneymcneely2_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I want to change my race, even if racials are balanced without big changes.Changing one's race is a standard paid feature of most MMORPGs.
I would absolutely support this in ESO.
Leveling a character to endgame through Cadwell's Silver and Cadwell's Gold is a pretty drawn-out process. While I personally enjoy it, I understand that most people don't have the luxury of having that much time on their hands.
I think it's past time for this feature to be implemented, at the same price point found in other games. I would be open to faction changing as well.
I would also like to see some kind of feature that encouraged us to roll alts, but I have no idea what that would be.0 -
In a MMO I think race should be only for cosmetic and not to give unfair advantages, I'm looking at you Imperial. Nobody like to be the underdog especially if it's related to race. I will truly support this idea of race change only if they remove the racial passives, if not be ready to see Altmer, Breton and Imperial all over the place.1