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Does your policy superceed Xbox's policy on sharing games?
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oehk✭✭I think you are starting to catch on. That is how it works for the games I listed above. Maybe you missed that, or my explanation of how it works with Battlefield 4 as well?
BTW, I would love to see a XB1 port of WoW. My son hogs my PC and I never get to play anymore haha.
See my comment above, but these games I have enjoyed this feature with my family having logins on my console, and only myself paying for XBL.
* GTA 5
* Battlefield 4
* COD Ghosts
* Dragon Age: Inq
* Neverwinter (wife is going to confirm her sub can have its on game shortly)
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kylewinters130eb17_ESOSoul ShrivenI would buy this on my U.S account because the U.K prices are ridiculous, but if I'm not able to play it on my main account then I'll just wait for it to go on sale0 -
PKMN12✭✭✭✭✭I would have to agree with the NewBlackSmurf. I understand MS policy to be the same as you. Any of the accounts my family created on my XBox One (that are not paying for live BTW, just mine, the "home" account) have access to all my games that require a unique profile:
* GTA 5
* Battlefield 4
* COD Ghosts
* Dragon Age: Inq
* There are more, I'm just at work, and no coffee yet so...
These all require accounts to be created at the developers sites for the root ( or "home" ) account and all 4 sub accounts that share my XBL access them independently with no issues. I will see what happens when I try to login to Neverwinter on my wifes sub account, that was created on my XBox, and shares my XBox Live. If it works, I will add it to the list.
Though I am with the NewBlackSmurf on this one. It should work, as it is the design of the system and its policies.
none of the games you listed a MMORPGs though, and that is the dealbraker with this,0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I would have to agree with the NewBlackSmurf. I understand MS policy to be the same as you. Any of the accounts my family created on my XBox One (that are not paying for live BTW, just mine, the "home" account) have access to all my games that require a unique profile:
* GTA 5
* Battlefield 4
* COD Ghosts
* Dragon Age: Inq
* There are more, I'm just at work, and no coffee yet so...
These all require accounts to be created at the developers sites for the root ( or "home" ) account and all 4 sub accounts that share my XBL access them independently with no issues. I will see what happens when I try to login to Neverwinter on my wifes sub account, that was created on my XBox, and shares my XBox Live. If it works, I will add it to the list.
Though I am with the NewBlackSmurf on this one. It should work, as it is the design of the system and its policies.
none of the games you listed a MMORPGs though, and that is the dealbraker with this,
Please go to Xbox.com and notice that specific to Xbox one, "all games" can be shared legally on "one" console when a person designates the "one specific" console as the home console.
The purpose of this post is not related to any game type because if I log out and my wife logs in, she can play any of my games. The Xbox one isn't going to stop her. However it seems you "must" link you Xbox profile to ZOS so because of this the post hopes to clarify if each profile has to be linked.
According to Xbox no policies have changed (not even for this game) so then I'm also asking if ZOS' policy superceeds Xbox's
That's it. Please don't try and derail the two questions.
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izenkim_ESO✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf: Maybe it's just me, but I'm not getting what you are asking.
It seems to me that Xbox Profile 1 needs to link to a specific ESO account, say ESO account 1. Now if you log in with Xbox Profile 2 you can't play ESO account 1, but you can link Xbox profile 2 with ESO account 2.
From your first post: ESO accounts "...are each tied to a unique PlayStation Network or Xbox Live account. Attempts to link a different PlayStation Network or Xbox Live account to an ESOTU console account will result in an error.
Account sharing is also a violation of our Terms of Service and can result in a permanent account ban"
What they are saying is that you can't access your ESO account via a different Xbox profile. They are not saying that you cannot share the game in accordance to Xbox policy. Sharing the game and sharing the account are two different issues. One of those Xbox lets you do while the other one ESO doesn't let you do, but there is no conflict between those two matters.Edited by izenkim_ESO on April 23, 2015 3:04PM4 -
ZeroInspiration✭✭✭You wont be able to play on multiple accounts because most likely the game you buy will include a code (like PC) which will be used to tie your ESO account to your Xbox Live account. The technicality here is that every account in your Xbox does in fact have access to the game (fulfilling Xbox policy) but it will (presumably) require a second in-game login or verification which means that while all accounts can "play" the game if they don't have an ESO account so they won't be able to login.
But if it bothers you so much you have 8 character slots...2 -
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✭✭✭✭According to ESO's ToS, only one person can use one ESO account; you aren't allowed to let your spouse use your account, ever, under no circumstances. You're breaking the rules even if you let them log in and try the game with your characters, let alone play regularly.
To allow you to share ESO with other Xbox profiles would condone sharing accounts in general and this simply isn't going to happen. They can't control who logs into your personal account - you, your wife, your brother - but if you used separate Xbox accounts, it would bo obvious that more than one person is playing. And that is not allowed.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭According to ESO's ToS, only one person can use one ESO account; you aren't allowed to let your spouse use your account, ever, under no circumstances. You're breaking the rules even if you let them log in and try the game with your characters, let alone play regularly.
To allow you to share ESO with other Xbox profiles would condone sharing accounts in general and this simply isn't going to happen. They can't control who logs into your personal account - you, your wife, your brother - but if you used separate Xbox accounts, it would bo obvious that more than one person is playing. And that is not allowed.
People. That isn't the question
Each person has to have their own account just like Xbox live requires each person to have their own account.
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✭✭✭✭✭ZeroInspiration wrote: »You wont be able to play on multiple accounts because most likely the game you buy will include a code (like PC) which will be used to tie your ESO account to your Xbox Live account. The technicality here is that every account in your Xbox does in fact have access to the game (fulfilling Xbox policy) but it will (presumably) require a second in-game login or verification which means that while all accounts can "play" the game if they don't have an ESO account so they won't be able to login.
But if it bothers you so much you have 8 character slots...
That makes no sense in terms of how 100% of other games work. MMO and non MMO on Xbox live for Xbox one.
Just looking for ZOS to remove the part that is a incorrect to clarify-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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PKMN12✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »According to ESO's ToS, only one person can use one ESO account; you aren't allowed to let your spouse use your account, ever, under no circumstances. You're breaking the rules even if you let them log in and try the game with your characters, let alone play regularly.
To allow you to share ESO with other Xbox profiles would condone sharing accounts in general and this simply isn't going to happen. They can't control who logs into your personal account - you, your wife, your brother - but if you used separate Xbox accounts, it would bo obvious that more than one person is playing. And that is not allowed.
People. That isn't the question
Each person has to have their own account just like Xbox live requires each person to have their own account.
then what IS the question? because that is CLEARLY what everyone thinks your question is asking.2 -
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Please read .... everyone is skim reading this trying to assume they understand the question.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »According to ESO's ToS, only one person can use one ESO account; you aren't allowed to let your spouse use your account, ever, under no circumstances. You're breaking the rules even if you let them log in and try the game with your characters, let alone play regularly.
To allow you to share ESO with other Xbox profiles would condone sharing accounts in general and this simply isn't going to happen. They can't control who logs into your personal account - you, your wife, your brother - but if you used separate Xbox accounts, it would bo obvious that more than one person is playing. And that is not allowed.
People. That isn't the question
Each person has to have their own account just like Xbox live requires each person to have their own account.
then what IS the question? because that is CLEARLY what everyone thinks your question is asking.
Also if you do not own and Xbox one currently I personally would ask that those folks do not comment
Can I use the game I purchase just like any other Xbox one game?
According to their website it seems their policy stays o but the system will not stop me so just so that I don't get banned from the game I want clarification.
Edited by NewBlacksmurf on April 23, 2015 3:47PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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PKMN12✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
Please read .... everyone is skim reading this trying to assume they understand the question.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »According to ESO's ToS, only one person can use one ESO account; you aren't allowed to let your spouse use your account, ever, under no circumstances. You're breaking the rules even if you let them log in and try the game with your characters, let alone play regularly.
To allow you to share ESO with other Xbox profiles would condone sharing accounts in general and this simply isn't going to happen. They can't control who logs into your personal account - you, your wife, your brother - but if you used separate Xbox accounts, it would bo obvious that more than one person is playing. And that is not allowed.
People. That isn't the question
Each person has to have their own account just like Xbox live requires each person to have their own account.
then what IS the question? because that is CLEARLY what everyone thinks your question is asking.
Also if you do not own and Xbox one currently I personally would ask that those folks do not comment
Can I use the game I purchase just like any other Xbox one game?
According to their website it seems their policy stays o but the system will not stop me so just so that I don't get banned from the game I want clarification.
as long as each person has bought their own seperate account for ESO (each payed the $60 or whatever) then yes everyone will be able to play.
on the other hand, if you bought a game JUST For your account, then no, no other account would be able to play the game. they could likely open it, but would not get past teh main menu/log in screen.
Just like on PC, if my friend came over and wanted to show me something on his character but did not have his PC, he could open up ESO on MY PC and log into his accountEdited by PKMN12 on April 23, 2015 3:50PM1 -
izenkim_ESO✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Please read .... everyone is skim reading this trying to assume they understand the question.
Also if you do not own and Xbox one currently I personally would ask that those folks do not comment
Can I use the game I purchase just like any other Xbox one game?
According to their website it seems their policy stays o but the system will not stop me so just so that I don't get banned from the game I want clarification.
I think that question is understood and has been answered to the best of everyone's ability here. There are many games that don't allow people on other accounts to access my save. Those other accounts can play my game, on my console, but they can't play from a save that I've created under my profile.
The concept appears to be exactly the same here, you need to be logged into my profile to play with my ESO account.
So long as you and say a spouse have a valid ESO account for the console, then you can switch off on the same Xbox, the catch is getting a valid ESO account for the console, at either the $20 or $60 fee.Edited by izenkim_ESO on April 23, 2015 3:55PM3 -
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Sounds legitizenkim_ESO wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Please read .... everyone is skim reading this trying to assume they understand the question.
Also if you do not own and Xbox one currently I personally would ask that those folks do not comment
Can I use the game I purchase just like any other Xbox one game?
According to their website it seems their policy stays o but the system will not stop me so just so that I don't get banned from the game I want clarification.
I think that question is understood and has been answered to the best of everyone's ability here. There are many games that don't allow people on other accounts to access my save. Those other accounts can play my game, on my console, but they can't play from a save that I've created under my profile.
The concept appears to be exactly the same here, you need to be logged into my profile to play with my ESO account.
So long as you and say a spouse have a valid ESO account for the console, then you can switch off on the same Xbox, the catch is getting a valid ESO account for the console, at either the $20 or $60 fee.
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oehk✭✭I would have to agree with the NewBlackSmurf. I understand MS policy to be the same as you. Any of the accounts my family created on my XBox One (that are not paying for live BTW, just mine, the "home" account) have access to all my games that require a unique profile:
* GTA 5
* Battlefield 4
* COD Ghosts
* Dragon Age: Inq
* There are more, I'm just at work, and no coffee yet so...
These all require accounts to be created at the developers sites for the root ( or "home" ) account and all 4 sub accounts that share my XBL access them independently with no issues. I will see what happens when I try to login to Neverwinter on my wifes sub account, that was created on my XBox, and shares my XBox Live. If it works, I will add it to the list.
Though I am with the NewBlackSmurf on this one. It should work, as it is the design of the system and its policies.
none of the games you listed a MMORPGs though, and that is the dealbraker with this,
True that they are not RPGs but all but DAinq, are multiplayer online games that require a XBL account per game account, and they all seem to work just fine on same console. This really isnt that confusing, is it?
And I have confirmed my sons sub account that is a valid MS account, but has no XBL subscription of his own, on my XBox One, using my XBL access, can play Neverwinter, and link to his PC neverwinter account, and is totally separate from my Neverwinter account (XB and PC).
I'd be shocked if what @NewBlacksmurf is asking about doesn't work as he, and I , think it will.
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BmcD73✭✭✭I know I am necroing this thread but I have had this problem since December of 2016. I spent weeks going back and forth with ESO support. They finally sent me to xbox support where I spent hours on the phone. XB support finally told me I need to talk to ESO support. I still do not have an answer to my problem. Please see this link: http://support.xbox.com/en-US/games/game-setup/my-home-xbox as it outlines the features and policies of the XB1 family sharing.
I purchased ESO Imperial Edition on day 1 for account 1 on the PC
I purchased ESO Gold Edition for account 1 on the PC
I purchased ESOTU for account 2 on the PC
I purchased ESOTU (digital) for account 1 on XB1
I purchased ESO Gold (digital) for account 1 on XB1
ESOTU is accessible and playable on account 2 on XB1
ESO Gold is NOT accessible on account 2 on XB1
For all of the PC users that don't know or have or understand how the XB1 works. It's like this: You buy a digital game (no matter which game) and it is attached to a gamertag (master account if you will). No matter what XB you log into, you have all games, all DLC, all collector edition perks etc available to you. ADDITIONALLY, you can assign a single XB1 as your "HOME". ANY PERSON that logs into the home XB has access to any of the games, DLCs, collectors items, etc. that is associated to the master account. On top of that, if the master account has XB Live Gold, that too is shared. Which means anyone that logs into the home xbox has full XB Live Gold benefits. They can play any of the games online with other players. In fact, they can simultaneously play with the master account on a separate XB1. It is like this for every game that I have seen to date. I have 141 games in my XB1 library. Here are just a few big ones that work this way: The Division, Destiny, Mass Effect, Garden Warefare, Battlefield 1, Star Wars Battelfront. In every one of these games I have bought a season pass, DLC, collectors editions, deluxe editions, etc. And ALL of it is shared with ANYONE that plays on my home XB1. This is standard practice. It is a feature of the XB1 platform. It is a MAJOR reason why I buy games on the XB1 even though I prefer them on the PC. To my knowledge, ESO is the first game that doesn't appear to support it. I have been unable to find verbiage that states they do not support family sharing.
Is there any official word from ZOS about NOT supporting family sharing on XB1? I have yet to see it but my experience is proving that they do not.0 -
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Because you did not purchase ESO Gold for account 2 on either platform...I know I am necroing this thread but I have had this problem since December of 2016. I spent weeks going back and forth with ESO support. They finally sent me to xbox support where I spent hours on the phone. XB support finally told me I need to talk to ESO support. I still do not have an answer to my problem. Please see this link: http://support.xbox.com/en-US/games/game-setup/my-home-xbox as it outlines the features and policies of the XB1 family sharing.
I purchased ESO Imperial Edition on day 1 for account 1 on the PC
I purchased ESO Gold Edition for account 1 on the PC
I purchased ESOTU for account 2 on the PC
I purchased ESOTU (digital) for account 1 on XB1
I purchased ESO Gold (digital) for account 1 on XB1
ESOTU is accessible and playable on account 2 on XB1
ESO Gold is NOT accessible on account 2 on XB1
ESOTU is playable because it's installed on both and you have a valid ESOTU account on XB1 for both accounts.
It doesn't matter that it's (Gold) accessible from XB1 (on the drive), it's not attached to the 2nd account.
Of course they're not going to allow you access to content you effectively didn't pay for (on account 2).
Edited by Merlin13KAGL on April 27, 2017 6:25PMJust because you don't like the way something is doesn't necessarily make it wrong...
Earn it.
IRL'ing for a while for assorted reasons, in forum, and in game.I am neither warm, nor fuzzy...
Probably has checkbox on Customer Service profile that say High Aggro, 99% immunity to BS0 -
JahneeO✭✭✭You only need one copy of the game. Anyone who is signed in can use it as long as you shared gold on your console.
What wont happen is when someone else is signed in they can't play your ESO account they will have to make their own.0 -
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✭The reason for this is simple. It's a mom when toy make your account it uses up the account key that is with said cd. You may be able to get away with sheeting it with one xb to another but is unlikely. My advice is wait till the games on sale.IGN: Ki'rah
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✭✭If your wife has her own account, sure.
One person per account is the rule, and it's been that way forever.
If she wants to play bad enough, use your profile and your account. Though I'm pretty sure there's legal precedence here on this.
It's to curb cheating and protect from account theft. What I'm reading though is akin to my bf wanting to play his account on my PC. If your wife has her own account, this isn't a problem. If she's playing with your login credentials, then there's a problem.0 -
BmcD73✭✭✭There are no account keys for XB1. You buy the game from the store. You can link or create a new account. Since account 2 already had ESOTU on the PC, I just linked the account.
I honestly don't care about the specifics. The OPs original question is does ZOS policy supersede XB1 policy on family sharing. If so, it is the only game that I know if that does so. I personally have 141 games that conform to the XB1 policy except EOS. I would like to see the relevant verbiage that says family sharing is NOT supported on XB1. It's the only reason I bought it on the XB. In fact, it's the main reason I buy games on the XB1.0 -
BmcD73✭✭✭If your wife has her own account, sure.
One person per account is the rule, and it's been that way forever.
If she wants to play bad enough, use your profile and your account. Though I'm pretty sure there's legal precedence here on this.
It's to curb cheating and protect from account theft. What I'm reading though is akin to my bf wanting to play his account on my PC. If your wife has her own account, this isn't a problem. If she's playing with your login credentials, then there's a problem.
You simply cannot relate this to the PC. How the console works is ENTIRELY different to the PC. There is no concept of "family sharing" on the PC. The XB1 has a specific feature called "Family Sharing" which does EXACTLY the opposite of what you are saying. It's a Microsoft/XB policy. Here is the support link that clearly states how this feature works. http://support.xbox.com/en-US/games/game-setup/my-home-xbox On top of that, every game on the XB1 works this way. I bought Destiny on my master account (account 1). My son has access to it on the home XB1 (account 2). Later I bought the Taken King expansion. Included with it where a number of in game items. Both account 1 and account 2 have access to everything. Same with The Division. A game that requires an UBISOFT account. Both accounts have access to all DLC and all in game goodies. Same goes for the rest of my library. The rule is, if you buy it digitally, it is 100% sharable with family sharing. ESO breaks this model...or at least appears to. Like I said, I haven't seen any official communication that it doesn't support family sharing.1 -
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✭fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »
And the problem is?NewBlacksmurf wrote: »I came across this and I'm bothered. It seems my family can't play my copy of TESO so you seem to be forcing each profile to spend $60?
PC players can't 'account share', why should console players be able to?
Actually they can, Steam has a friend/family sharing option where you and a friend/member can exchange your libraries.Sometimes, I dream about...cheese...
Dermont - v16 Pompous Altmer Sorcerer (With a very arrogant face!)
Egonieser - v16 Nord Stamina Dragonborn Wannabe
Endoly - v16 Tiny Redguard Sharpened MaceBlade
Egosalina - v16 Breton Cheesus Beam Specialist
Egowen - v16 Dunmer Whipping Expert (Riding crops eluded her)
(Yes, I had to grind all these to v16)
Akamanakh - lvl 22 Khajiit GankBlade (Inspired by Top Cat)
Targos Icewind - lvl 34 Imperial (Future) Jabplar
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grim_tactics✭✭✭✭✭I'm interested in this answer from a legal standpoint that ZOS would be behind in declaring you unable to do so.
On one hand you have the Xbox terms of service that says "all games" . To me that's all you need to see. All, meaning every game in the library you are able to purchase. Unless there is that wording such as "......except where non-applicable"
However, what we don't know is the terms that developers agree to when launching a game on a certain system or what concessions Xbox gives to developers for certain content.
ZOS obviously owns the rights to the game so therefore they set their own terms of service that you agree to.
The problem is that you've now agreed to two different sets of rules to which I'm sure Microsoft would say "What do the terms of service for said game say in regards to this issue?"
It's not something you are going to win unless it goes to court or you have a lawyer explain how and which rules apply where (theoretically speaking of course - I am using this as an example for explanation of verbiage.)
Unfortunately, I doubt you will ever get an answer from either side that makes you feel good about it.Edited by grim_tactics on April 27, 2017 9:58PM0 -
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✭Pretty sure unlike the dlcs since I can buy morrowind in the marketplace my brother should also get it on his console.0 -
Sn1per0✭✭✭If I am reading correctly let me use my case as an example.
I bought digital ESOTU (with all DLC included)
I can play on my account on my xbox, I game share via xbox policies with my wife on her SEPARATE xbox.
I am able to play ESO on my xbox on my account and my wife is able to play ESO on her xbox on her account since her xbox is my gamertags home and my xbox is her gamertags home (xbox sharing policy)
Although she hasn't played the game in over 1 1/2 years this may have changed in some way.
When we did this we were both playing at the same time from 1 digital purchase off the xbox store (2 different xboxs).0 -
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I am fairly certain any game publisher can make rules concerning sharing games on consoles. I have seen it elsewhere where sharing was not permitted. Being that I have not read the console ToS, it is likely that the consoles permit it meaning that the publishers rules do not need to supersede other rules, they probably live in harmony.0 -
BmcD73✭✭✭There is also precedent. Like I said, every game in my library is shareable. All the DLC, collectors editions, delux packs, season passes, everything. For games exactly like ESO and games totally different. I haven't encountered a game or DLC to date that does not support family sharing
I would go out on a limb and say all games support it. If you buy it digitally, you can share it. This has been the case for years now. It is the case currently. EXCEPT for ESO.
Which platform I purchase games on is almost exclusively made by family sharing. If my son and I want to play it together, I buy on XB1. If it is for me, I buy on PC. This appears to no longer be true. Additionally, I have not seen a single line of official text stating ESO does NOT support family sharing. This would lend one to believe that they, like every single game before it, does indeed support family sharing.0 -
BmcD73✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Please read .... everyone is skim reading this trying to assume they understand the question.
Also if you do not own and Xbox one currently I personally would ask that those folks do not comment
Can I use the game I purchase just like any other Xbox one game?
According to their website it seems their policy stays o but the system will not stop me so just so that I don't get banned from the game I want clarification.
did you ever get an "official" response to family sharing?
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