Am I allowed to dupe gold using the Console Transfer Service?

Rune_Relic · April 2015

Leijona wrote: »

I'm not sure, for what you need a large amount of gold anyways. It's not like there is anything expensive worth buying at all. No housing for example.

Same reason a billionaire can enter a stockmarket and buy all the shares of all the companies.
You have the assets to dominate a market and block out all competition.
A monopoly....in English.

Why do you think Microsoft, Oracle ect.... buy up any and all new upstarts ?

Soulharvester · April 2015

I am sure it will be a destructive force beyond all comprehension no matter what you do! Have fun either way!

I_killed_Vivec · April 2015

P3ZZL3 wrote: »

On the basis you are porting v14 with xxx championship points and they will be up against v10's with nothing, pure pwnage will ensue.

It will certainly enforce a degree of "player separation" that ZoS claim to be keen to avoid.

PvP will be a bit strange, with a select group of VR14 who will always be a couple of hundred CP ahead of newbie console players.

And that's without considering the advantages given by the gold and gear they will take with them. How many PC->console players aren't filling up their bags with as much rare gear, tempers, herbs, ingredients, motifs, as possible?

The console server will be a strange place...

Leijona · April 2015

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

How many PC->console players aren't filling up their bags with as much rare gear, tempers, herbs, ingredients, motifs, as possible?

*raises her hand* One!

Alphashado · April 2015

Nyghthowler wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

If the character is deleted from PC, obviously not, if it's copied, then you could, but it wouldn't matter because it's two different megaservers, so your Console character would have a large sum of gold but there'd be no way to get it back on PC.

All the OP needs to do is have the barrowed gold in his possession when the character copy occurs. Gold amount is copied to console server making him rich, and since its a copy he returns the barrowed amount to his guild on the original server.

IMO, this is a dupe.

I have to agree with this. You would be using a digital data file transfer to create gold where none existed prior to the transfer. Absolutely an exploit and duping.

Honestly. Just think about it. Anything that just instantly makes a ton of gold appear in a character's inventory w/o earning it legitimately is obviously an exploit. It's amazing that anyone could think otherwise.

Has the line between right and wrong really become so blurred?

istateres · April 2015

Gold? Why not borrow rare motifs, Kuta, basically anything you can borrow and return. In fact, players could rotate the borrowed items so each of them could be a console King!

This is clearly the best idea yet! (tongue clearly in cheek)

Merlin13KAGL · April 2015

I am assuming the guilds get transferred too, meaning the guild bank contents (gold and all), as well.

If such is the case, no gold is being 'made,' it's merely being transferred and then back again.

Will the guild you are wishing to borrow from not exist on console? (Again, not sure how they're handling this regaring guilds, as obviously not all members will transfer to console/same console)

Ojustaboo · April 2015

Valymer wrote: »

derpsticks wrote: »

I feel bad for the level 1s who enter the game trying to compete with all the vr14s.

They are in different PVP campaigns, though? So not competing

Except of course for those like me that are starting new characters but will have all our champion points to use in it should we wish, plus mains to craft better gear should we wish etc

In my opinion for the console transfers, I don't think we should have access to champion points until we reach vet ranks to stop there being an unfair advantage to new players.

Alphashado · April 2015

istateres wrote: »

Gold? Why not borrow rare motifs, Kuta, basically anything you can borrow and return. In fact, players could rotate the borrowed items so each of them could be a console King!

This is clearly the best idea yet! (tongue clearly in cheek)

Exactly this. It boggles the mind that some people actually think this would be OK.

Ojustaboo · April 2015

Alphashado wrote: »

Nyghthowler wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

If the character is deleted from PC, obviously not, if it's copied, then you could, but it wouldn't matter because it's two different megaservers, so your Console character would have a large sum of gold but there'd be no way to get it back on PC.

All the OP needs to do is have the barrowed gold in his possession when the character copy occurs. Gold amount is copied to console server making him rich, and since its a copy he returns the barrowed amount to his guild on the original server.

IMO, this is a dupe.

I have to agree with this. You would be using a digital data file transfer to create gold where none existed prior to the transfer. Absolutely an exploit and duping.

I suppose it depends on how you look at it. My main guild has a ton of gold in it and I am totally within my right to borrow it as I see fit.

Therefore, if I feel like carrying around 500k of gold, I'm not doing anything wrong, I'm not doing anything deceitful, I'm simply withdrawing funds from my guild bank that I will place back at a later date.

The fact it copies across when they do the transfer is purely coincidental.

Otherwise, getting guildies to make Armour sets or spending a few days farming mats just so that they carry over is surely just as wrong?

Or the hordes of people doing what they can, making what they can etc asap so that it does copy across with the transfer is also wrong?

As to the above comment about motifs, I suspect 90% of people transferring will do exactly that sort of thing, my guild bank is full of such stuff, I wouldn't have to ask anyone, just withdraw it from the bank.

Personally I want to start completely from scratch on the console with nothing, but I don't see how the above can be deemed wrong.

Merlin13KAGL · April 2015

How much do you want to bet they transfer only the average daily balance to your console character to prevent this sort of thing?

Ojustaboo · April 2015

Alphashado wrote: »

Nyghthowler wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

If the character is deleted from PC, obviously not, if it's copied, then you could, but it wouldn't matter because it's two different megaservers, so your Console character would have a large sum of gold but there'd be no way to get it back on PC.

All the OP needs to do is have the barrowed gold in his possession when the character copy occurs. Gold amount is copied to console server making him rich, and since its a copy he returns the barrowed amount to his guild on the original server.

IMO, this is a dupe.

Honestly. Just think about it. Anything that just instantly makes a ton of gold appear in a character's inventory w/o earning it legitimately is obviously an exploit. It's amazing that anyone could think otherwise.

Again, guilds like the one I'm in that's my main guild and we have our own guild site, play other games etc (not qa randon collection of strangers) our guild bank has tons of stuff in it.

I don't think one member of my guild has found every item themselves, I find 3 identical motifs, I stick two in the guild bank, I find one in the guild bank I haven't got, I take it out and use it. That is how we all leveled up.

Surely you could argue that we didn't really earn our stuff either, same as when I can't make an armour set or Glyph etc but a guild mate kindly makes it for me, I haven't' earned that at all but it's still what happened.

On a separate note, I remember a LOT of people leveling their vets using exploits in crag that have since been stopped. Yet they will still be transferring their characters.

I think Zenimax has mane a booboo here. They said we would be allowed to transfer if console players brought the PC version but I don't think they thought of the consequences.

Personally I would prefer it if everyone started from scratch, we still have a big advantage over new players as we know the game mechanics, know the bosses, know where the mats are etc etc etc.

Now, people will create new characters, enter Cyrodiil non vet campaign at level 10, using all their champ points to tweak it, using their mains to create purple armour/weapons etc, and the new player that isn't sure how the game works will stand no chance.

mateoz · April 2015

How can they prevent someone from having tons of gold tempers or 500 gold kutas, or 50 imperial motifs or 20 cyro band... anything with a high value that can be sold on the console server?

I dont think they can prevent this unless they inspect every char transfered and it's probably not possible.

My 2 cents btw i dont transfer my account personally

Ojustaboo · April 2015

And of course the other point where a player might have stored 200K over the year and a load of motifs in their guild bank, and takes them back out, such a player (and a few will exist) will be pretty peed if Zenimax doesn't let them transfer that stuff as it's only recently appeared on their character..

Danikat · April 2015

Moral questions aside the big problem I see with this is I don't expect we'll be told exactly when the accounts are going to be copied.

I imagine it will be like when characters are copied to the PTS, we'll be told roughly when it's going to start and when it's been completed but no one will be notified of the exact date/time their account will be copied.

So your friends/family/guild would have to trust you with their gold for an extended period of time and if they do help you out with this they would have to have their accounts copied with little/no gold.

Meaning it will probably only work if your close friends aren't going to be transferring (and so don't care about what's on their account during the transfer period), and that seems pretty unlikely to happen. If all your friends are sticking with PC why get the game on a console anyway?

Ojustaboo · April 2015

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

How much do you want to bet they transfer only the average daily balance to your console character to prevent this sort of thing?

Average from when to when, that simply wont work and will annoy many people (although I would be totally fine with it).

I could have had 500K for the past 6 months then spend it all in the next few days on guild store stuff to sell on new server. Then my average will still be almost 500K so would still get that amount transferred?

Danikat · April 2015

Ojustaboo wrote: »

And of course the other point where a player might have stored 200K over the year and a load of motifs in their guild bank, and takes them back out, such a player (and a few will exist) will be pretty peed if Zenimax doesn't let them transfer that stuff as it's only recently appeared on their character..

I think given how complicated database copies usually are they will want to keep it as straight-forward as possible and will just be copying whatever's on your character at the time rather than trying to log data and calculate averages.

eventide03b14a_ESO · April 2015

Deheart wrote: »

Everything in your account will get copied over except for guilds and anything you have selling in the guild bank. Once that is done you will have two accounts with duplicate characters, a PC account, and a Console account.The Pc accounts and console accounts are not connected in any way, so the whole gold duplication issue is really a none issue. You will not have twice the gold, you will simply have two accounts with the exact same amount of gold that cannot combine.

Edit, @Nyghthowler, that is not a duplication, that is an outright exploit that will almost certainly cause anyone who tries to do that to loose both accounts.

Im tired, going to bed

You're talking about ruining the economy on the console from day one though, especially if this catches on. Prices will skyrocket with all that cash.

Ojustaboo · April 2015

Danikat wrote: »

I imagine it will be like when characters are copied to the PTS, we'll be told roughly when it's going to start and when it's been completed but no one will be notified of the exact date/time their account will be copied.

Emphasis mine

ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »

Yes, the goal is to have the transfer take place with enough time for people who purchased it to be able to play right when ESOTU launches on consoles. We don't have an exact date yet of when the transfer will take place, but we will definitely be sure to publicize the date of the transfer and contact anyone who purchased the offer prior to the transfer taking place.

Arkadius · April 2015

Zeni could put a cap on the gold that can be transferred. That would be an easy solution. However, capping other items (motifs, kutas, etc...) could be a bit more difficult. Another solution could be, that they just take an older copy of the characters, even if this means progression loss for the copies. Whatever they do, I'm quite sure they will find a way to prevent excessive 'dupes'.

Ojustaboo · April 2015

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

You're talking about ruining the economy on the console from day one though, especially if this catches on. Prices will skyrocket with all that cash.

Totally agree, I hope Zenimax puts a limit (both on gold and rare items such as resins, motifs etc) on what can be transferred, although that will kick up a storm with some players and it will mean Zenimax not doing what they originally said

Alphashado · April 2015

Considering this thread I wouldn't be surprised if ZoS simply copied characters and the gear they are wearing and said consider yourselves fortunate that we didn't make you start at level 1.

Otherwise I don't know how they are going to stop this from happening.

Ojustaboo · April 2015

Alphashado wrote: »

Considering this thread I wouldn't be surprised if ZoS simply copied characters and the gear they are wearing and said consider yourselves fortunate that we didn't make you start at level 1.

Otherwise I don't know how they are going to stop this from happening.

Glad the thread appeared though as many people would be doing this anyway and at least now Zenimax are aware of it (presuming they weren't already)

istateres · April 2015

Xiana wrote: »

Zeni could put a cap on the gold that can be transferred. That would be an easy solution. However, capping other items (motifs, kutas, etc...) could be a bit more difficult. Another solution could be, that they just take an older copy of the characters, even if this means progression loss for the copies. Whatever they do, I'm quite sure they will find a way to prevent excessive 'dupes'.

The only thing I've heard that might have a chance of working is doing all the transfers in a limited time period, at ZOSz descretion. That would prevent groups for sharing a group of valuable items with ALL members. I can see NO fix to prevent loaning of items to "friends" on the PC so that they can get those items on console. I might even consider chanrging a PC game fee for such services. Want my stack of Kuta for the transfer, 50k, paid after transfer of course.

Sacadon · April 2015

I think this is one of those intelligence test threads... umm and not sure I passed it either.

qsnoopyjr · April 2015

How is borrowing all your guild mates money and guild bank money for a good min or two. Click to transfer to console with 20 million gold or so considered duping?

Duping is when you have 20 million gold and you do something and you don't lose any money but you get another 20 million gold. Or you give someone 20 million gold and crash and still have 20 million gold but your friend has 20 million gold too.

Borrowing money so you get copied to the console with 20 million gold isn't duping.

btw the person who mentioned "I feel bad for all the lvl 1s that have to compete with V14s.. Than someone said theres a non veteran server. NOBODY who has not played this game would know what a 'veteran' is, most likely they will join the 30 day server like I did, and get stuck in it while at lvl 12 or so.
No other game does this get to lvl 50 and then you got these funky veteran levels 1-14, except for this game. People are going to think your lvl 1-14 special kind of player and not lvl 50 but your veteran rank is 10.

The game booklet that comes inside the case, doesn't even explain veteran levels. The tutorial doesn't explain veteran levels. You learn about veteran levels the hard way.

Also, if it was me, I would've started the game out 'fresh' on the console, as in everyone starts out at lvl 1.
There's just going to be too much diversity in levels if you allow people to copy themselves over. The V1-14s isn't going to want to play with all those newbs.

Nestor · April 2015

Leijona wrote: »

I'm not sure, for what you need a large amount of gold anyways. It's not like there is anything expensive worth buying at all. No housing for example.

This right here. Once your character is established, gold is the least of your concerns. Character does not even need to be end game, mid levels is enough to self sufficient and not worry about gold anymore.

Alphashado · April 2015

qsnoopyjr wrote: »

How is borrowing all your guild mates money and guild bank money for a good min or two. Click to transfer to console with 20 million gold or so considered duping?

Duping is when you have 20 million gold and you do something and you don't lose any money but you get another 20 million gold. Or you give someone 20 million gold and crash and still have 20 million gold but your friend has 20 million gold too.

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That is exactly what people are planning on doing. Say their character only has 100k gold. They borrow 1 million gold from a friend on PC. Now that character has 1.1 million gold. Now that character is copied to console server with 1.1 million gold. Then that person gives the initial 1 million gold back to his friend on PC, but now he still has 1.1 million gold on his console character where he should have only had 100k.

A dupe is when you falsely manufacture gold out of thin air and that is exactly what would be going on here. No amount of arguments can change that. If people want to ease their conscience by attempting to justify this as some kind of legit way to instantly make gold appear where none existed before, then so be it. But this is cheating. Period.

istateres · April 2015

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A dupe is when you falsely manufacture gold out of thin air and that is exactly what would be going on here. No amount of arguments can change that. If people want to ease their conscience by attempting to justify this as some kind of legit way to instantly make gold appear where none existed before, then so be it. But this is cheating. Period.
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Cheating is such a harsh word. This is taking advantage of the software design. Anyone can do it, and no modificatation to the game are needed. This is abuse, but not cheating; at least in my mind.

jkemmery · April 2015

UrQuan wrote: »

Perhaps the problem is that you are literally using the word "literally" incorrectly.

LMFAO!

I will steal this line!