7/7 Heavy Armor or Undaunted Mettle 5/1/1 Magicka Based Nightblade DPS?

Vaerth · April 2015

Seems like it will be forever with me just breaking Undaunted rank 5, but is it really worth it having Undaunted Mettle 5/1/1 or no? I currently run full heavy armor Magicka NightBlade 2H build. All attributes in Magicka and my DPS is pretty nice with self heals keeping my up and spell resist helping negate fire for my vampire Dunmer.

psufan5 · April 2015

Does the 2 hand even hit for any damage since you went full magicka?

Vaerth · April 2015

psufan5 wrote: »

Does the 2 hand even hit for any damage since you went full magicka?

Yes, it sure does. Why wouldn't it? That would imply that anyone who uses Magicka would be forced to use a staff only. Where do you think "spell blade" builds come from?

If I were to go Stamina NightBlade with my 2H, it would be horrid because i would be forced to use a bow or have no ranged skills.

Dymence · April 2015

Vaerth wrote: »

psufan5 wrote: »

Does the 2 hand even hit for any damage since you went full magicka?

Yes, it sure does. Why wouldn't it? That would imply that anyone who uses Magicka would be forced to use a staff only. Where do you think "spell blade" builds come from?

Spell blade builds may be nice in theory but your nice two hander you have there scales completely off of stamina and weapon power. Your magicka has no effect in this regard.

Davadin · April 2015

7/7 heavy armor =/= DPS.

'nuf said.

Vaerth wrote: »

psufan5 wrote: »

Does the 2 hand even hit for any damage since you went full magicka?

Yes, it sure does. Why wouldn't it? That would imply that anyone who uses Magicka would be forced to use a staff only. Where do you think "spell blade" builds come from?

If I were to go Stamina NightBlade with my 2H, it would be horrid because i would be forced to use a bow or have no ranged skills.

Skill damages scale from your stamina. The more you have, the harder it hit. That's what psufan is trying to say I think.

Spell blade seems to be using Magicka-based skills (which scales from your max magicka), even if you are carrying a stamina weapon. You only use certain buff/boost from carrying it, but your main attack comes from magicka-based spell.

Also, bow is not horrid... Stam based blade, for example, uses actual stam-based skill.

Anyway, bottom line is, you going full heavy and magicka, but carrying a 2-hand, looks.... different. Definitely not optimal (which is fine) according to many people.

Ommamar · April 2015

Vaerth wrote: »

Seems like it will be forever with me just breaking Undaunted rank 5, but is it really worth it having Undaunted Mettle 5/1/1 or no? I currently run full heavy armor Magicka NightBlade 2H build. All attributes in Magicka and my DPS is pretty nice with self heals keeping my up and spell resist helping negate fire for my vampire Dunmer.

Yes Unduanted Mettle is worth it.

Cuyler · April 2015

Vaerth wrote: »

Seems like it will be forever with me just breaking Undaunted rank 5, but is it really worth it having Undaunted Mettle 5/1/1 or no? I currently run full heavy armor Magicka NightBlade 2H build. All attributes in Magicka and my DPS is pretty nice with self heals keeping my up and spell resist helping negate fire for my vampire Dunmer.

+6% to mag/stam/HP? Yea it sure does make a difference....

DerpyShadowz · April 2015

A 6% increase to all primary stats, hell yes.

Vaerth · April 2015

Davadin wrote: »

7/7 heavy armor =/= DPS.

'nuf said.

Vaerth wrote: »

psufan5 wrote: »

Does the 2 hand even hit for any damage since you went full magicka?

Yes, it sure does. Why wouldn't it? That would imply that anyone who uses Magicka would be forced to use a staff only. Where do you think "spell blade" builds come from?

If I were to go Stamina NightBlade with my 2H, it would be horrid because i would be forced to use a bow or have no ranged skills.

Skill damages scale from your stamina. The more you have, the harder it hit. That's what psufan is trying to say I think.

Spell blade seems to be using Magicka-based skills (which scales from your max magicka), even if you are carrying a stamina weapon. You only use certain buff/boost from carrying it, but your main attack comes from magicka-based spell.

Also, bow is not horrid... Stam based blade, for example, uses actual stam-based skill.

Anyway, bottom line is, you going full heavy and magicka, but carrying a 2-hand, looks.... different. Definitely not optimal (which is fine) according to many people.

Oh yes that makes sense, I thought he meant with basic / heavy attacks. No, I have not a single 2H skill on my bar. Both of my bars consist of all Class skills only, and one armor skill.

Vaerth · April 2015

Davadin wrote: »

7/7 heavy armor =/= DPS.

'nuf said.

Vaerth wrote: »

psufan5 wrote: »

Does the 2 hand even hit for any damage since you went full magicka?

Yes, it sure does. Why wouldn't it? That would imply that anyone who uses Magicka would be forced to use a staff only. Where do you think "spell blade" builds come from?

If I were to go Stamina NightBlade with my 2H, it would be horrid because i would be forced to use a bow or have no ranged skills.

Skill damages scale from your stamina. The more you have, the harder it hit. That's what psufan is trying to say I think.

Spell blade seems to be using Magicka-based skills (which scales from your max magicka), even if you are carrying a stamina weapon. You only use certain buff/boost from carrying it, but your main attack comes from magicka-based spell.

Also, bow is not horrid... Stam based blade, for example, uses actual stam-based skill.

Anyway, bottom line is, you going full heavy and magicka, but carrying a 2-hand, looks.... different. Definitely not optimal (which is fine) according to many people.

My build is like this, and has been working very well...did I stumble on something new? Because it is working much better than my Stamina 7/7 medium build was lol.

I use ALL class skills and one armor skill right now (unstoppable heavy armor skill)

I have 7/7 heavy armor for HP and armor / spell resist which gives me much better at survival as a vampire.

All armor is traited with Infused (increase armor enchantment) and all armor has increase magicka.

Rings/neck is increase max magicka and increase spell damage

I use a 2H for RP / spellblade style. No skills from the 2H bar are used. I used my 2H to basic/ heavy attack and to block. Not a single skill aside from armor skill uses my stamina. So far, the build has been very good with HoT and damage, and the spell resist of heavy really helps a vamp get by.

I find this build much more effective than my medium armor Stamina build...lol...in Dungeons and PvP.

Divad Zarn · April 2015

Vaerth wrote: »

Seems like it will be forever with me just breaking Undaunted rank 5, but is it really worth it having Undaunted Mettle 5/1/1 or no? I currently run full heavy armor Magicka NightBlade 2H build. All attributes in Magicka and my DPS is pretty nice with self heals keeping my up and spell resist helping negate fire for my vampire Dunmer.

Can we hear how much solo target DPS you have please in long/medium term PvE battles on boss? for 1 minute at least.

Davadin · April 2015

Vaerth wrote: »

I use a 2H for RP / spellblade style. No skills from the 2H bar are used. I used my 2H to basic/ heavy attack and to block. Not a single skill aside from armor skill uses my stamina. So far, the build has been very good with HoT and damage, and the spell resist of heavy really helps a vamp get by.

I find this build much more effective than my medium armor Stamina build...lol...in Dungeons and PvP.

that's the missing information.

if this is the case, may i recommend doing sword+board? At the very least, your light attack is much faster and you gain armor just for equiping the shield

but yes, the changes of 6% is big.

Vaerth · April 2015

Divad Zarn wrote: »

Vaerth wrote: »

Seems like it will be forever with me just breaking Undaunted rank 5, but is it really worth it having Undaunted Mettle 5/1/1 or no? I currently run full heavy armor Magicka NightBlade 2H build. All attributes in Magicka and my DPS is pretty nice with self heals keeping my up and spell resist helping negate fire for my vampire Dunmer.

Can we hear how much solo target DPS you have please in long/medium term PvE battles on boss? for 1 minute at least.

I do not use any addons, thank you for staying on topic (sarcasm). I do not use the cookie cutter builds that everyone else swarms to. I use what I think is the best for my play style, and it has been works great for me.

Oh, and by the way, it might be a small damage on impact with 8 seconds of DoT but Crippling Grasp does a **** load of damage for Magicka builds. Quite nice to open with it on bosses then go about your business with Swallow Soul and Concealed Weapon. On top of that, Soul Harvest fills quite fast with the ultimate gain from Siphoning skills.

I am always left with Stamina for blocking, dodging, running, etc as well. This build works much better for me, as a vampire, then medium armor stamina build did. I have 25 points Magicka the rest Health in attributes. All armor enchanted with magicka. I move at sprint speed with stealth, heal quite well with HoTs. If I wanted to b questions about my build or playstyle, then I would have addressed that as the title.

Vaerth · April 2015

Dymence wrote: »

Vaerth wrote: »

psufan5 wrote: »

Does the 2 hand even hit for any damage since you went full magicka?

Yes, it sure does. Why wouldn't it? That would imply that anyone who uses Magicka would be forced to use a staff only. Where do you think "spell blade" builds come from?

Spell blade builds may be nice in theory but your nice two hander you have there scales completely off of stamina and weapon power. Your magicka has no effect in this regard.

Yes, for the weapon skill lines. The basic and heavy attacks do the same regardless of my stats.

Vaerth · April 2015

Divad Zarn wrote: »

Vaerth wrote: »

Seems like it will be forever with me just breaking Undaunted rank 5, but is it really worth it having Undaunted Mettle 5/1/1 or no? I currently run full heavy armor Magicka NightBlade 2H build. All attributes in Magicka and my DPS is pretty nice with self heals keeping my up and spell resist helping negate fire for my vampire Dunmer.

Can we hear how much solo target DPS you have please in long/medium term PvE battles on boss? for 1 minute at least.

You want to use Sap Essence then Crippling Grasp then mix up basic attacks + Swallow Soul to build up ultimate. Also be sure to use Concealed Weapon and Summon Shades to keep up Shadow Barrier and have additional damage. If you are in PvP keep Mass Hysteria and Dark Cloak along with Piercing Mark.

Dixa · April 2015

Divad Zarn wrote: »

Vaerth wrote: »

Seems like it will be forever with me just breaking Undaunted rank 5, but is it really worth it having Undaunted Mettle 5/1/1 or no? I currently run full heavy armor Magicka NightBlade 2H build. All attributes in Magicka and my DPS is pretty nice with self heals keeping my up and spell resist helping negate fire for my vampire Dunmer.

Can we hear how much solo target DPS you have please in long/medium term PvE battles on boss? for 1 minute at least.

if he's alive at the end of the dungeon and the boss died quickly does this even matter?

Vaerth · April 2015

Dixa wrote: »

Divad Zarn wrote: »

Vaerth wrote: »

Seems like it will be forever with me just breaking Undaunted rank 5, but is it really worth it having Undaunted Mettle 5/1/1 or no? I currently run full heavy armor Magicka NightBlade 2H build. All attributes in Magicka and my DPS is pretty nice with self heals keeping my up and spell resist helping negate fire for my vampire Dunmer.

Can we hear how much solo target DPS you have please in long/medium term PvE battles on boss? for 1 minute at least.

if he's alive at the end of the dungeon and the boss died quickly does this even matter?

Thank You

People on the forums like to poke at my build as it is not a cookie cutter Stamina build. However, no one has complained in game about my DPS or the fact that I do not go down often. Infact two night ago I was complimented for the additional heals my Sap Essence provided my team. I deal decent ranged DPS and good melee DPS, in PvE and PvP.

For those who are curious, here is my bar / build. Did not want to share it, as it is my idea but I guess it does not matter lol.

SpellBlade build has been made for NightBlades and Templars.

Bar 1:

Crippling Grasp
Swallow Soul
Impale
Concealed Weapon
Dark Cloak
Incapacitating Strike (PvP) or Soul Assault (PvE)

Bar 2:

Sap Essence
Refreshing Path
Mirage
Mass Hysteria
Shadow Image
Devouring Swarm

Rshidva · April 2015

Well, it's all bout whatyou play
From a pure dps endgame content perspective: max dps is all that matters and thus numbers, with that build you won't have enough dps (damage per second). 10k dps+ is the norm for that content.

But for someone who's happy playing the game's regular content or even pvp is good enough if you manage to survive and finish the boss. then it's perfect

Vaerth · April 2015

Rshidva wrote: »

Well, it's all bout whatyou play
From a pure dps endgame content perspective: max dps is all that matters and thus numbers, with that build you won't have enough dps (damage per second). 10k dps+ is the norm for that content.

But for someone who's happy playing the game's regular content or even pvp is good enough if you manage to survive and finish the boss. then it's perfect

Thank you

Robotmafia · April 2015

Vaerth wrote: »

Divad Zarn wrote: »

Vaerth wrote: »

Seems like it will be forever with me just breaking Undaunted rank 5, but is it really worth it having Undaunted Mettle 5/1/1 or no? I currently run full heavy armor Magicka NightBlade 2H build. All attributes in Magicka and my DPS is pretty nice with self heals keeping my up and spell resist helping negate fire for my vampire Dunmer.

Can we hear how much solo target DPS you have please in long/medium term PvE battles on boss? for 1 minute at least.

I do not use any addons, thank you for staying on topic (sarcasm). I do not use the cookie cutter builds that everyone else swarms to. I use what I think is the best for my play style, and it has been works great for me.

I wouldn't say he went off topic... you said high dps and this can really only be determined with hard numbers.. people like discussing dps builds and its always interesting but it only makes sense if you do it on the basis of hard facts... of course ur build can work for many situations and its fun for you to play and that's good! but for discussing viable dps builds you need the numbers and the situations where high dps is important..

Vaerth · April 2015

Robotmafia wrote: »

Vaerth wrote: »

Divad Zarn wrote: »

Vaerth wrote: »

Seems like it will be forever with me just breaking Undaunted rank 5, but is it really worth it having Undaunted Mettle 5/1/1 or no? I currently run full heavy armor Magicka NightBlade 2H build. All attributes in Magicka and my DPS is pretty nice with self heals keeping my up and spell resist helping negate fire for my vampire Dunmer.

Can we hear how much solo target DPS you have please in long/medium term PvE battles on boss? for 1 minute at least.

I do not use any addons, thank you for staying on topic (sarcasm). I do not use the cookie cutter builds that everyone else swarms to. I use what I think is the best for my play style, and it has been works great for me.

I wouldn't say he went off topic... you said high dps and this can really only be determined with hard numbers.. people like discussing dps builds and its always interesting but it only makes sense if you do it on the basis of hard facts... of course ur build can work for many situations and its fun for you to play and that's good! but for discussing viable dps builds you need the numbers and the situations where high dps is important..

True, but the thread was not intended for my build to be discussed, the focus was between Undaunted Mettle and full 7/7 armor type.