Should Subscribers have more benifits and if so what?

Takhistis · April 2015

I don't sub but I don't mind if subscribers get something extra like increased research time or -20% teleport costs
+10% mounted speed, maybe less or not in cyro if it's considered p2w
And maybe faster exp gained with skill exp (both skills themself and skill lines like dual wield/ two handed
Opinions?

Sylveria_Relden · April 2015

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Raash wrote: »

Sylveria_Relden wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

There really should be something to sweaten the deal for subscribers - if ZoS will keep using subs in their game that is.

Perhaps limitations in content for non subs is a must somehow but that could backfire aswell.
I think ZoS is in between a rock and a hard place with this. Add stuff to the dwindling numbers of subscribers or cater to non subbers to make them stay and pay for stuff. Squeze or cater too much on either one and its a pure loss since subs cant carry the game any more (so it seems anyway) and they cant really scare away the potential wallets either.

Eh, I disagree with restrictions to non-subscribers. The initial base price of the game alone should indeed give you access to everything included with that purchase. I don't want to see this turn into a stripped-down version of the game just because people don't choose to sub (I'm a subscriber, btw)

I do agree that they need to add more to sweeten the deal.

You have any other suggestions on how to make subscribers feel they get their worth out of staying subbed? minor perks + crowns doesnt seem to be enough by judging threads like this one and what more could possibly be added without it turns into restrictions in some kind for non-subbers?

Sure- I think they should give priority queue access, perhaps even loyalty rewards on a regular basis (other than "once a year") and even expansive content offering outside of DLC in the Crown Store.

I'm not disagreeing on the access to "areas and items" thing- I'm disagreeing on restricting basic functions of the game (this may be where I misunderstood what you meant by what you stated) which if someone has paid the base price, I think what they paid for should be unrestricted. This doesn't mean they get every expansion free forever- but what it included when it was released.

Ysne58 · April 2015

Where does it say that people without a sub don't have access to the PTS? Link please.

Lionxoft · April 2015

Terrible options that are seeking out one goal. Even non-subscribers shouldn't have to deal with bogus advertisements. They bought the game and that's that. Skyrim, Oblivion, Morrowind or any of the other previous TES games flash ads. Ads reek of desperation and cheapens the quality of the broken and buggy game further.

Better subscriber options would be:

50% more inventory space (% modifier allows the gold sink to work in it's current form still)
50% more bank space (% modifier allows the gold sink to work in it's current form still)
Free travel to wayshrines
No CoD or mail tax
Lifetime sub - Might be a bit early but if the content production keeps to a crawl it would be a good recourse. The current content release schedule and record is completely atrocious and unacceptable.
Free horse mount or 1g on first subscription payment. (Not Imperial mount)
Reduced cost for respecs both attribute and skills.
Crown Store discount of 15%-20%.

Lionxoft · April 2015

@Heromofo PS Batman profile picture would be better

Lionxoft · April 2015

Ysne58 wrote: »

Where does it say that people without a sub don't have access to the PTS? Link please.

@Ysne58 Non-subcribers have access to the PTS just like subscribers do.

WhimsyDragon · April 2015

I think a lot of this depends on your play style and whether or not you buy much from the store. For some folks, the perks are worthwhile, but I do think that it will be more notable once we see what happens with DLC additions. Lack of additional content recently makes subbing iffy for many because there's no evidence of what it's worth to them. I feel like the BTP launch would have been more effective if a decent content patch was pushed along with it vs hearing about how they're focusing on console (which is a negative for most hardcore MMO-types who like chat boxes and undivided player populations)

Raash · April 2015

Sylveria_Relden wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Sylveria_Relden wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

There really should be something to sweaten the deal for subscribers - if ZoS will keep using subs in their game that is.

Perhaps limitations in content for non subs is a must somehow but that could backfire aswell.
I think ZoS is in between a rock and a hard place with this. Add stuff to the dwindling numbers of subscribers or cater to non subbers to make them stay and pay for stuff. Squeze or cater too much on either one and its a pure loss since subs cant carry the game any more (so it seems anyway) and they cant really scare away the potential wallets either.

Eh, I disagree with restrictions to non-subscribers. The initial base price of the game alone should indeed give you access to everything included with that purchase. I don't want to see this turn into a stripped-down version of the game just because people don't choose to sub (I'm a subscriber, btw)

I do agree that they need to add more to sweeten the deal.

You have any other suggestions on how to make subscribers feel they get their worth out of staying subbed? minor perks + crowns doesnt seem to be enough by judging threads like this one and what more could possibly be added without it turns into restrictions in some kind for non-subbers?

Sure- I think they should give priority queue access, perhaps even loyalty rewards on a regular basis (other than "once a year") and even expansive content offering outside of DLC in the Crown Store.

I'm not disagreeing on the access to "areas and items" thing- I'm disagreeing on restricting basic functions of the game (this may be where I misunderstood what you meant by what you stated) which if someone has paid the base price, I think what they paid for should be unrestricted. This doesn't mean they get every expansion free forever- but what it included when it was released.

But I actually did mean that limitations, as in actual restrictions in content and base functions, will sort of be needed tho - if a sub-model is what ZoS still want to use for the game. Because kind of few will pay a sub if they dont need to.

To have the major parts of the game (lvl 1-50 + vet areas) as part of the "box content" while forcing a sub for what eventually will be released in the future wont do much good due to content ratio would be in "box-content" favor .
By having DLC purchasable in store then subs will matter even less - if they would choose that route.

On the other hand: If making an optional monthly sub to much of a missout (as in xp boosts, perks and general convinience) the new purchasers of the game will feel shafted by getting forced to pay the sub or be restricted in some way compared to those who choose to sub on top of the box fee and the sub-system itself will maybe be regarded as p2w-thing unfair to a b2p-game.

I just dont see how they can get any good results from here.
Perhaps they would have been better off by either kept the sub as it were but lowering the monthly cost to half & the crownstore added to that or by simply removing the sub and make it a pure b2p game with buyable additional content.

And I am so tired atm so I doubt anyone can make any sense out of what I just wrote lol, happy evening/night7morning all

Sylveria_Relden · April 2015

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Raash wrote: »

stripped for brevity, not to detract from content

While I agree with your intent (i.e., anything to make the game better) I do question the methods which you're implying as I feel they wouldn't really incentivize ZOS to do any different than they already have.

I disagree wholeheartedly with stripping out content that users pay a base price for the game- because it's equivalent to deceptive marketing practices, and I don't think anyone likes to be deceived. I also think that the game is *worth* paying the base price for- however, the subscription fee I feel is not proportionate with what's actually being offered for the money we're paying for it. Subscribers need to have something to feel motivated to continue to pay a fee for- or they simply won't pay it.

Whatever form that may take (more content than base, bonuses, whatever) is the only thing I think needs to be addressed at this point. I don't even consider the Crown Store to be relevant because 1) nothing offered directly affects gameplay outside aesthetics and 2) whether you participate in the Store really has no affect on gameplay either.

Ysne58 · April 2015

Lionxoft wrote: »

Ysne58 wrote: »

Where does it say that people without a sub don't have access to the PTS? Link please.

@Ysne58 Non-subcribers have access to the PTS just like subscribers do.

That's what I thought, so I'm wondering why one of the previous posters made that claim.

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

The crowns per month is alright I guess, though you can just buy those on their own.

Unmentioned is subscribers get access to the Public Test Server, while I don't think non-subs do.
So that's a nice bonus if accurate, but not universally appealing for everyone.

Overall I don't think there's a ton of reason to sub.

Sylveria_Relden · April 2015

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Ysne58 wrote: »

That's what I thought, so I'm wondering why one of the previous posters made that claim.

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

I don't think

Fixed it for you. That pretty much sums it up.

Heromofo · April 2015

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Takhistis wrote: »

I don't sub but I don't mind if subscribers get something extra like increased research time or -20% teleport costs
+10% mounted speed, maybe less or not in cyro if it's considered p2w
And maybe faster exp gained with skill exp (both skills themself and skill lines like dual wield/ two handed
Opinions?

Id say a good start anything that's not pw but helps to get people subscribing.

Heromofo · April 2015

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Lionxoft wrote: »

Terrible options that are seeking out one goal. Even non-subscribers shouldn't have to deal with bogus advertisements. They bought the game and that's that. Skyrim, Oblivion, Morrowind or any of the other previous TES games flash ads. Ads reek of desperation and cheapens the quality of the broken and buggy game further.

Better subscriber options would be:
50% more inventory space (% modifier allows the gold sink to work in it's current form still)

50% more bank space (% modifier allows the gold sink to work in it's current form still)

Free travel to wayshrines

No CoD or mail tax

Lifetime sub - Might be a bit early but if the content production keeps to a crawl it would be a good recourse. The current content release schedule and record is completely atrocious and unacceptable.

Free horse mount or 1g on first subscription payment. (Not Imperial mount)

Reduced cost for respecs both attribute and skills.

Crown Store discount of 15%-20%.

This is what i would expect to pull many mote subscribers and to help bring in the much needed cash. Make sure you keep your ideas out there bud.

Takhistis · April 2015

I think a lot of people see sub as a half p2w
Although 10% exp isn't p2w
So just add utility stuff
As long as it's not like Tera where f2p gets 1 entry per day for endgame and subs get 2...
Utility is faster horses
Faster researching traits
Being able to once per hour summon a merchant and banker, and POSSIBLY guild bank and guild store of your Own guilds
Maybe once we got more on the crown store that every month some items are being put on sale for subbers

Heromofo · April 2015

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Takhistis wrote: »

I think a lot of people see sub as a half p2w
Although 10% exp isn't p2w
So just add utility stuff
As long as it's not like Tera where f2p gets 1 entry per day for endgame and subs get 2...
Utility is faster horses
Faster researching traits
Being able to once per hour summon a merchant and banker, and POSSIBLY guild bank and guild store of your Own guilds
Maybe once we got more on the crown store that every month some items are being put on sale for subbers

That could work as well

golfer.dub17_ESO · April 2015

Ysne58 wrote: »

That's what I thought, so I'm wondering why one of the previous posters made that claim.

Nevermind, I read a very old post about it before B2P.

Cody · April 2015

subscribers become batman

Psychobunni · April 2015

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Subscriber only forum. Elite, maybe. But there is a valid difference between the wants/expectations/thoughts of those willing to pay for the game continuously and those who want it free.

Sylveria_Relden · April 2015

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Psychobunni wrote: »

Subscriber only forum. Elite, maybe. But there is a valid difference between the wants/expectations/thoughts of those willing to pay for the game continuously and those who want it free.

Careful, you'll garner hate from those who wish to have a voice regardless of how inconsistent their own contributions may be.

I totally agree with you that there really is a valid difference- because in both respects you're voting with your wallet- but one is more of a contractual obligation than the other. I see the difference, because it's true in reality with any business- that's what wheeling and dealing is all about- not catering to the random customer who may or may not walk in your door- but securing relationships with customers so you can count on their money time and time again.

Anyone who can't see this should really take a good hard look at reality for a change.

Raash · April 2015

Psychobunni wrote: »

Subscriber only forum. Elite, maybe. But there is a valid difference between the wants/expectations/thoughts of those willing to pay for the game continuously and those who want it free.

No there is not any valid difference. People who choose to stay subbed after f2p have come up with this idea they are worth more then others and deserves more somehow.
Was that part of the official deal to be special or is it something that was pulled out of someones hat one day and spread and became a selfinvented "truth"?

Necrelios · April 2015

In my mind I would think something that benefits the crafting system such as a 300% research time speed boost. Of course once people ran out of things to research, this would no longer be viable. The crafting system is a good start but it could keep people around and spending money on the game longer if they had more useful things to craft overall with such a subscriber benefit.

Sylveria_Relden · April 2015

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Raash wrote: »

No there is not any valid difference. People who choose to stay subbed after f2p have come up with this idea they are worth more then others and deserves more somehow.
Was that part of the official deal to be special or is it something that was pulled out of someones hat one day and spread and became a selfinvented "truth"?

Sorry, but I'm calling BS here. From the Official FAQ(https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/tamrielunlimitedfaq)

"What are the benefits of ESO Plus membership?
ESO Plus offers members exclusive in-game bonuses, a reoccurring allotment of crowns and access to all downloadable content (DLC) game packs for the duration of membership."

This was offered BEFORE not only the BUY to Play (not Free to Play) changeover- but also for a year prior to that. I think you're a little deluded if you think that everyone who subs somehow magically (and conspiratorially, it would appear) came up with the idea. Sorry to burst your bubble- but yeah, subs are different from non-subs, whether you like it or not.

deepseamk20b14_ESO · April 2015

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I just picked one, but I bet all those saying "no" are currently not subbed lol. If I am going to pay money for a game that is B2P you're damn right they better provide some better services and benefits.

It's a silly question actually. It's like asking should people paying first class seating prices on a plane actually get first class service. Uhhhh, yeah...You pay more you get more. It's not an unfair advantage when the option is available to everyone if they so choose.

Misa · April 2015

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the stuff we get now is plenty, anything more (well an option to not get spammed with ads would be ok) would give a too big advantage for subscribers compared to those that goes f2p

Raash · April 2015

Sylveria_Relden wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

No there is not any valid difference. People who choose to stay subbed after f2p have come up with this idea they are worth more then others and deserves more somehow.
Was that part of the official deal to be special or is it something that was pulled out of someones hat one day and spread and became a selfinvented "truth"?

Sorry, but I'm calling BS here. From the Official FAQ(https://help.elderscrollsonline.com/app/tamrielunlimitedfaq)

"What are the benefits of ESO Plus membership?
ESO Plus offers members exclusive in-game bonuses, a reoccurring allotment of crowns and access to all downloadable content (DLC) game packs for the duration of membership."

This was offered BEFORE not only the BUY to Play (not Free to Play) changeover- but also for a year prior to that. I think you're a little deluded if you think that everyone who subs somehow magically (and conspiratorially, it would appear) came up with the idea. Sorry to burst your bubble- but yeah, subs are different from non-subs, whether you like it or not.

All I see is that you guys signed on that agreement and was given what it told it would do.
Nowhere does it say you are entitled to more then that or that PLUS members are considered special nor that they should expect more?

Sylveria_Relden · April 2015

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Raash wrote: »

All I see is that you guys signed on that agreement and was given what it told it would do.
Nowhere does it say you are entitled to more then that or that PLUS members are considered special nor that they should expect more?

*re-reads my post* Nope, I don't see where I used the word "special" to describe myself nor other subscribers...

Oh yeah that's right it was your post that implied that. *buzzer sounds* Try again. Nice troll attempt, though.

If you have something valid other than conspiracy theories to throw out there- I'd love to see it.

demonaffinity · April 2015

Subscribers have enough benefits now

I'm not unhappy being a subscriber atm. They are releasing new crown store items fairly often, and as time goes by, we will have plenty to spend on. Leveling is also a huge part of ESO (yey grind), so the 10% exp is pretty great. Also, I like playing ESO, so I want to support the game and do my part to make sure the game develops, and for that, they need money.

Bottom line, Im satisfied. Although I will admit Im a little disappointed that they removed the loyalty program. But that's hardly a gamebreaking issue for me.

Raash · April 2015

Sylveria_Relden wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

All I see is that you guys signed on that agreement and was given what it told it would do.
Nowhere does it say you are entitled to more then that or that PLUS members are considered special nor that they should expect more?

*re-reads my post* Nope, I don't see where I used the word "special" to describe myself nor other subscribers...

Oh yeah that's right it was your post that implied that. *buzzer sounds* Try again. Nice troll attempt, though.

If you have something valid other than conspiracy theories to throw out there- I'd love to see it.

It was you who quoted my post in wich I dont agree that sub-holders have valid difference in wants/expectations/thoughts over those who choose not to pay monthly.
You say im BS and bring stuff wich actually proves my point.
I can only thank you really!

Sylveria_Relden · April 2015

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Raash wrote: »

Sylveria_Relden wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

All I see is that you guys signed on that agreement and was given what it told it would do.
Nowhere does it say you are entitled to more then that or that PLUS members are considered special nor that they should expect more?

*re-reads my post* Nope, I don't see where I used the word "special" to describe myself nor other subscribers...

Oh yeah that's right it was your post that implied that. *buzzer sounds* Try again. Nice troll attempt, though.

If you have something valid other than conspiracy theories to throw out there- I'd love to see it.

It was you who quoted my post in wich I dont agree that sub-holders have valid difference in wants/expectations/thoughts over those who choose not to pay monthly.
You say im BS and bring stuff wich actually proves my point.
I can only thank you really!

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I quoted your post to point out the BS directly- in which you try to imply that subscribers somehow had some sort of conspiracy agreement. I in turn linked you the FAQ directly from Zenimax pointing out what the subscriptions do and mean- because for some reason you think your implication is somehow "truth" when in reality it's false.

I don't know how you got "proof" of your point from that, but if someone else is reading it and can somehow help me understand I'm all (eyes) ears.

Raash · April 2015

Sylveria_Relden wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

Sylveria_Relden wrote: »

Raash wrote: »

All I see is that you guys signed on that agreement and was given what it told it would do.
Nowhere does it say you are entitled to more then that or that PLUS members are considered special nor that they should expect more?

*re-reads my post* Nope, I don't see where I used the word "special" to describe myself nor other subscribers...

Oh yeah that's right it was your post that implied that. *buzzer sounds* Try again. Nice troll attempt, though.

If you have something valid other than conspiracy theories to throw out there- I'd love to see it.

It was you who quoted my post in wich I dont agree that sub-holders have valid difference in wants/expectations/thoughts over those who choose not to pay monthly.
You say im BS and bring stuff wich actually proves my point.
I can only thank you really!

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I quoted your post to point out the BS directly- in which you try to imply that subscribers somehow had some sort of conspiracy agreement. I in turn linked you the FAQ directly from Zenimax pointing out what the subscriptions do and mean- because for some reason you think your implication is somehow "truth" when in reality it's false.

I don't know how you got "proof" of your point from that, but if someone else is reading it and can somehow help me understand I'm all (eyes) ears.

Conspiracy agreement?
Thats not at all what I am implying, I am implying that somewhere along the road people who choose to stay subed began to think their wants/expectations/thoughts holds more weight then non-subscribers and I asked if this was part of the sub-deal they signed or just something subscribers made their own truth.