Lag exploitation in Cyrodiil

ArcVelarian · April 2015

This has gotten completely out of hand on numerous servers. There's entire guilds worth of people purposefully overloading the servers with garbage scripts and lagging out everyone else. THIS IS GAME BREAKING. Tonight on chillrend alone there's been two groups worth of people doing this and sending local server ping up to ~6000ms for most people. ZOS, you really need to get this under control, it's making PvP unplayable.

Xithian · April 2015

Do you have any indication whatsoever that it isn't just...normal lag? Never attribute to malice that which can be more easily explained through crap servers.

Either way, it's ZoS' problem, but yeah. You sound a bit conspiracy-theoristy.

ArcVelarian · April 2015

Yes I agree

I've been in a number of large-scale battles without encountering it, it's well known on Chillrend at least it's a number of specific groups that actually cause the lag.

aco5712 · April 2015

Yes I agree

Guildie witnessed a 12 man group of AD run into a keep tower, go in a corner and just spam purge. The lag came. They killed him and the others.... Wonderful place Cyrodiil is.

Prizax · April 2015

No I don't agree.

uh can you use a little bit of your logic if this just happens when there are 100+ players in a keep or so... doesn't it tells you something? ->Server fault<-

And just in case if somone is using a DDoS attack, then fak them.

C0pp3rhead · April 2015

No I don't agree.

Let me tell you about my day today:

Logged in, got in a pledge group. Standing around in Mournhold, waiting to port to dungeon. Game crashed.
Fighting final boss in CoH with a friend who didn't complete yesterday's trial. Random load screen in the middle of the final boss fight.
Finished my pledges, went to PvP.
Encountered a small gank group of about 6 people - framerate drops to 5 frames/sec.
Defended final inner keep for emperor - around 150 players present - No lag.
Running from Keep A to Keep B, entire group of 20 players reports a sudden lag spike of +1000. No enemies present. No keeps under attack.
Recaptured a resource from enemy forces who were sieging the flag - constant purge/healing springs spam - no lag.

I've been playing since launch and found no correlation between lag and player actions. Silly amounts of lag happen in both PvE and PvP for no reason at all. Large battles put stress on the servers. Large battles happening on several campaigns at the same time puts an even greater stress on the servers. The physical infrastructure of the internet in the US is years behind that of many countries on earth. The US megaserver is... guess what? In the US. The blame does not lie with a certain faction or guild or whatever. It lies with ZO$, who are unable to meet the promises they made before game launch. The lag has existed since the game's inception. If ZO$ could fix it, they would. The fact is, they can't. We all experience lag. Deal with it.

But here's the important part: don't blame someone else because your group/guild/alliance can't get their s*** together.

Moonshadow66 · April 2015

I'm not an expert, but wouldn't they lag them out themselves as well?

C0pp3rhead · April 2015

No I don't agree.

Raygee wrote: »

I'm not an expert, but wouldn't they lag them out themselves as well?

That makes too much sense. Couldn't be possible.

Xjcon · April 2015

Pvp Is broken, why bother..... just imo of course. Carry on!

skarvika · April 2015

Yes I agree

Having personal experience with some groups that lagsploit, I can say that it is much different than regular lag. Yes, there is an unbelievable amount of lag in Cyrodiil as it is, but there are a few specific groups that, when encountered, my entire group's ping goes through the roof as opposed to others where it's typically the basic server lag.

runagate · April 2015

Yes I agree

It is well know who does it, how they do it (and it's not just spamming particle effects), and there's numerous people who have attested to this in their own factions' TS, openly talked about in chat (all of which is accessible GMs) and openly bragged about for ages now. It has been reported and documented about every way you could hope for or imagine. Obviously no one can say who and how here on the forums; suffice it to say that those who scoff have no idea what they're talking about, as is well known to everyone who has been dealing with this forever.

The question is: why isn't ZoS doing anything about it?

IcyDeadPeople · April 2015

No I don't agree.

5000+ ping was on various campaigns today. There was not any group of players benefiting from this. The game becomes unplayable for everyone.

BRogueNZ · April 2015

I kinda like the nobody can kill me prance around like a lunatic lag.

Who knows when you actually die.

Its fun not knowing if you'll make it out the other side laughing or not and end up swearing profusely in front of the kids

Rook_Master · April 2015

Yes I agree

There's a very notorious guild that has been causing 'havoc' for a while now.

runagate · April 2015

Yes I agree

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

5000+ ping was on various campaigns today. There was not any group of players benefiting from this. The game becomes unplayable for everyone.

And in PvE as well. That doesn't change the fact that lagsploitation in PvP has been around forever, not dealt with, and well-documented. There's absolutely no doubt about it.

Notice Thornblade went from the only truly active campaign to a ghost town? That's how bad it is. Everyone got fed up. The lagspoiters followed, but apparently have recently decided to back off a little so that everyone doesn't quit PvP. And that really will happen if it keeps up, if people cannot escape it by switching campaigns.

Bouvin · April 2015

No I don't agree.

They need to get lag under control.

But at this point it isn't just happening around one guild. It's rampant in every big battle, and almost every big group is spamming meteor.

So I'm hesitant to call it "Exploiting" and more likely to say the game is just BROKEN.

Yes, fix the game, fix the lag. And stop wasting your resources on obnoxious "Buy a Leopard" ads that flash across the screen.

SoulScream · April 2015

Yes I agree

I couldn't play on any camp I had access to last night and logged off by eight pm cst.

Rune_Relic · April 2015

C0pp3rhead wrote: »

Let me tell you about my day today:

Logged in, got in a pledge group. Standing around in Mournhold, waiting to port to dungeon. Game crashed.
Fighting final boss in CoH with a friend who didn't complete yesterday's trial. Random load screen in the middle of the final boss fight.
Finished my pledges, went to PvP.
Encountered a small gank group of about 6 people - framerate drops to 5 frames/sec.
Defended final inner keep for emperor - around 150 players present - No lag.
Running from Keep A to Keep B, entire group of 20 players reports a sudden lag spike of +1000. No enemies present. No keeps under attack.
Recaptured a resource from enemy forces who were sieging the flag - constant purge/healing springs spam - no lag.

I've been playing since launch and found no correlation between lag and player actions. Silly amounts of lag happen in both PvE and PvP for no reason at all. Large battles put stress on the servers. Large battles happening on several campaigns at the same time puts an even greater stress on the servers. The physical infrastructure of the internet in the US is years behind that of many countries on earth. The US megaserver is... guess what? In the US. The blame does not lie with a certain faction or guild or whatever. It lies with ZO$, who are unable to meet the promises they made before game launch. The lag has existed since the game's inception. If ZO$ could fix it, they would. The fact is, they can't. We all experience lag. Deal with it.

But here's the important part: don't blame someone else because your group/guild/alliance can't get their s*** together.

Except lag was minimal until 1.2>1.3 when the crap hit the fan
It then took them until 1.5 to start to recover any kind of stability.
Then lag became diabolical 1.5>1.6 to the point of unplayable.

If you have introduced fundamental instability issues that you cannot fix then you rollback/regress.
You cannot build a ton of new code on an unstable platform and just hope for the best.
Especially when its blatantly deteriorating further.

I swear sheogarath is the major shareholder.

Suru · April 2015

No I don't agree.

People blaming the lag on scripts and exploits and not talking about how its basically the same lag thats ALWAYS been here is pretty sad. its also happening in PvE. Stop being a carebear and pointing fingers.

desciviib14_ESO · April 2015

I was in a sizeable group last night in EP and there was a group of AD probably around 20 or so and they holed up in a small tower and were spamming something in there and we couldn't figure out what they were doing since none of us were hitting them. A couple guys told us to back off or we'd start crashing and a few of us didn't pay attention and stayed close to the tower. All of us that were near the tower did crash after about 30 secs, the guys that did back up into the hills did not. I dont know what they were doing or if they were exploiting lag or not but whatever they were doing had a clear impact on us that were close. After logging back in, we encountered them again in another tower spamming something again and we all just left them there and nothing came of it.

That's all I can say; I dont know one way or the other. I dont PVP very often

JD2013 · April 2015

Yes I agree

I have seen some groups that will remain nameless spamming certain abilities over and over that caused huge lag, leaving me wandering around for about 6 or 7 mins wondering if I had been killed, unable to use abikities and mount, and needing to relog.

desciviib14_ESO · April 2015

Raygee wrote: »

I'm not an expert, but wouldn't they lag them out themselves as well?

In a logic sense one would think so but it doesn't seem to work like that when it happens. Or it could be that they turn down their settings and do it so that people who's settings are still on high are effected/affected. Just a thought

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · April 2015

Yes I agree

i agree the biggest ones to blame are the bananas, they run in trains all spamming the same spell, but if u manage to get them down by half the rest run of as they can not compete with out the spamming, there is other expolits used there by the blues like not being able to kill them, we had 4 v14 against a v4 and his health did not move and he killed us of. this is not to mention the dam gankers who have no interest in playing the pvp but just annoying other players, a certain bananan i can not name since i could be in trouble, i have seen them following a group spamming a spells etc it is all he does nothing else, he is well know to the smurfs and apples for doing this. it needs to be fixed or have gm in pvp groups watching for this going on and fixing it

Moonshadow66 · April 2015

desciviib14_ESO wrote: »

Raygee wrote: »

I'm not an expert, but wouldn't they lag them out themselves as well?

In a logic sense one would think so but it doesn't seem to work like that when it happens. Or it could be that they turn down their settings and do it so that people who's settings are still on high are effected/affected. Just a thought

I'm still not an expert, but one thing I've learned here on the forums, that lag and fps drop are not the same thing.

prose08b14a_ESO · April 2015

No I don't agree.

snipeopsub17_ESO · April 2015

Yes I agree

Yep, pretty sure 3rd party software is being used.

Flawlless · April 2015

No I don't agree.

I can't help but laugh when people use the terms "well documented" or "there's no doubt" about this when they couldn't be more wrong. It reminds me of the old Counter Strike days when anyone who was kicking your *** just had to be a hacker.

Cody · April 2015

someone say the two words that attract Ezareth! I have a new trap for him.

Aimelin · April 2015

C0pp3rhead wrote: »

Let me tell you about my day today:

Logged in, got in a pledge group. Standing around in Mournhold, waiting to port to dungeon. Game crashed.
Fighting final boss in CoH with a friend who didn't complete yesterday's trial. Random load screen in the middle of the final boss fight.
Finished my pledges, went to PvP.
Encountered a small gank group of about 6 people - framerate drops to 5 frames/sec.
Defended final inner keep for emperor - around 150 players present - No lag.
Running from Keep A to Keep B, entire group of 20 players reports a sudden lag spike of +1000. No enemies present. No keeps under attack.
Recaptured a resource from enemy forces who were sieging the flag - constant purge/healing springs spam - no lag.

I've been playing since launch and found no correlation between lag and player actions. Silly amounts of lag happen in both PvE and PvP for no reason at all. Large battles put stress on the servers. Large battles happening on several campaigns at the same time puts an even greater stress on the servers. The physical infrastructure of the internet in the US is years behind that of many countries on earth. The US megaserver is... guess what? In the US. The blame does not lie with a certain faction or guild or whatever. It lies with ZO$, who are unable to meet the promises they made before game launch. The lag has existed since the game's inception. If ZO$ could fix it, they would. The fact is, they can't. We all experience lag. Deal with it.

But here's the important part: don't blame someone else because your group/guild/alliance can't get their s*** together.

then again it has nothing to do with the physical infrastructure of the internet in the US since games like DAoC have had no lag problems in their RvR (AvA) pvp map .... and that game released in like 2001/2002 ...

its just the crappy programming and gfx updates that did this, since pvp was fine untill 1.2-1.3 as someone allready mentioned

Aldarenn · April 2015

No I don't agree.

ZOS fix this now, you're losing subs and players.

Ezareth · April 2015

Cody wrote: »

someone say the two words that attract Ezareth! I have a new trap for him.

Nerf Sorcs?

On topic: I forgot I logged off in Azura's Star, logged on the next day and it was unplayable. Couldn't troll a zerg because I could only bolt every 2 seconds, then I got hit with a Crystal fragment that I couldn't CC break and had enough.

If I had to play on a campaign with performance that poor I'd stop PvPing all together. Just zergballs running around and no real PvP to be had, just PvLag.

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