Is 3,600 Champion Points too much of a grind?

ChampionSheWolf · April 2015

Personally, Champion Points is something people should be able to accrue starting at level 1. The simple fact that the non-vet PvP is being ruined by "skilled" vet players with lots of Champ points right now is hurting low level PvP. Considering today we had some braggart of a DC (I know who it is) decide that he was going to talk crap because it took a lot of people to take him down (my poor templar is only level 13) (yes, he was a vet since he was wearing Mannimarco's outfit on his toon, which is a vet 10 reward) just shows that Champion points might have been a mistake in their current iteration.

I mean I don't mind losing, but when someone who obviously can't hack vet PvP comes to talk crap to lowbies without the champ points, it's starting to ruin the PvP experience.

Saturn · April 2015

The idea is to have something that is not easily obtainable and therefore artificially adding value to the game. Honestly though, once you reach those 3600 points you'll be really *** powerful. I am almost there, only 3454 more to go \ö/

Kronosphere · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

no its not a grind at all. dont *** grind it genious. do u want to max everything so your no longer earning ANYTHING from playing and your character is not improving at all? where would the fun in that be. u make me angry op.

david.haypreub18_ESO · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

Kronosphere wrote: »

no its not a grind at all. dont *** grind it genious.

My favorite part was when you misspelled 'genius'.

Sharee · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

Huggernaut wrote: »

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

I thought VR ranks were a bit of a grind... now I find that the Champion Point system is far more soul-destroying than VR ever was.

Let me be clear: I have no problem with a game that rewards time and effort. Players who have put more time into the game should be able to gain advantages for all that effort. But 3600 point is just too much: it is a deterrent to anyone thinking of buying or playing the game to think that they will have to grind for literally years to get anywhere close to the more experienced players. At least with VR, the grind eventually ended; with CP, it virtually never will.

But maybe I am in the minority. What do you think?

I have no idea how anyone has voted NO so far.

3600 pts at roughly 2 a day let's say, that's 1800 days, or 4.9 years. How the flip is that not too much grind?

Because it is not a grind in the firstplace. It is just something that happens as you play, same as alliance ranks.

golfer.dub17_ESO · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

There's no reason champion points should require your character to be a veteran.
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That only creates a larger gap between old players and new players, plus why shouldn't I be able to earn them while leveling my alts?

Anyways, I don't like having to grind for days even after reaching V14 to get the essentially 90 CP Minimum to be effective, but aside from that point they aren't really meant to be grinded. Still, no one will ever come close to 3600.

Elijah_Crow · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

golfer.dub17_ESO wrote: »

There's no reason champion points should require your character to be a veteran.
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That only creates a larger gap between old players and new players, plus why shouldn't I be able to earn them while leveling my alts?

Anyways, I don't like having to grind for hours to get the essentially 90 CP Minimum to be effective, but aside from that point they aren't really meant to be grinded. Still, no one will ever come close to 3600.

Actually there is. It was developed as a form of "alternate" advancement. Meaning a way to advance when you are no longer earning levels.

Emma_Overload · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

The 3600 points aren't the problem, it's the fact that it's going to take you 10 FREAKIN' YEARS at the rate of one point per day!

What happened to the 4 points of Enlightenment per day we were supposed to be getting? I thought the shift to 1 point per day was just temporary until they fixed some bug or something....

BloodStorm · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

It probably will be tweaked later on but for now it is a safe option so they can work on more projects. Hopefully vet levels are removed within a year and specific quests will add champion points as a reward replacing skill points.

SteveCampsOut · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

Considering they are not meant to be grinded in the first place, no they're not too much.

SHADOW2KK · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Considering they are not meant to be grinded in the first place, no they're not too much.

Aye, exactly, but some people work themselves into a hissy fit cos they cant get everything nooowwww noowwww nowwwww, musttt get it nowwwww.

Its a game, we need objectives to work towards, or it becomes boring.

So what if its 10 years or w/e to get all CP`s, enjoy the game meantime, the CP`s will come.

Razzak · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Considering they are not meant to be grinded in the first place, no they're not too much.

Aye, exactly, but some people work themselves into a hissy fit cos they cant get everything nooowwww noowwww nowwwww, musttt get it nowwwww.

Its a game, we need objectives to work towards, or it becomes boring.

So what if its 10 years or w/e to get all CP`s, enjoy the game meantime, the CP`s will come.

So, you don't find working for objectives with grind alone, boring?

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

what u have to forget that there is other zones etc coming, when no one can say

SHADOW2KK · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

Razzak wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Considering they are not meant to be grinded in the first place, no they're not too much.

Aye, exactly, but some people work themselves into a hissy fit cos they cant get everything nooowwww noowwww nowwwww, musttt get it nowwwww.

Its a game, we need objectives to work towards, or it becomes boring.

So what if its 10 years or w/e to get all CP`s, enjoy the game meantime, the CP`s will come.

So, you don't find working for objectives with grind alone, boring?

Who said I grinded alone?, and no I don`t find the game boring, I will admit, I do find grinding boring with friends sometimes, or by myself when I cba being social, but you get out of the game what you put in.

See to me its a game, I do what I want within it, I don`t live for the game, sounds like you do, and you want everything now.

Maybe I am being generalistic and thinking I know how you play, but I am just mirroring your wrong assumption back.

Nice isn`t it?

I don`t care how you play, maybe you are one of these players who want everything now and wake up in a cold sweat cos you feel as though you don`t have enough CP`s or wanna get them grinded as fast as possible.

Shrugs, I personally don`t lose any sleep over it,

Its a game, not real life.

Enjoy the game, do what you wanna do.

Drazhar14 · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

I agree that it should take a really long time to achieve max champion points. But the reason I voted it is too much of a grind is because the passives are too powerful at max rank. It becomes mandatory to be competitive therefore a grind. If the passives were less powerful then less players would care about being max champion rank and it would turn into a small bonus over time that just happens as players play like it was originally intended.

Robotmafia · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

as mentioned, its not intended to grind.. more as an additional reward or another way for your character to progress over longer periods of time... if it was only 300 CP everyone would grind them in a month or two and then be done with their progression again... instead you can just play the game normally, do what makes you happy and gain some points along the way

Etaniel · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

Huggernaut wrote: »

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

I thought VR ranks were a bit of a grind... now I find that the Champion Point system is far more soul-destroying than VR ever was.

Let me be clear: I have no problem with a game that rewards time and effort. Players who have put more time into the game should be able to gain advantages for all that effort. But 3600 point is just too much: it is a deterrent to anyone thinking of buying or playing the game to think that they will have to grind for literally years to get anywhere close to the more experienced players. At least with VR, the grind eventually ended; with CP, it virtually never will.

But maybe I am in the minority. What do you think?

I have no idea how anyone has voted NO so far.

3600 pts at roughly 2 a day let's say, that's 1800 days, or 4.9 years. How the flip is that not too much grind?

First of all, many of the points are useless. If you spec your character into bow for example, you don't need the passives for staves or spell damage/penetration, fire damage. If you look at all the points and take out the ones you don't need, you can cut in half the amount of CP for a maxed character. Then you can consider that the last points will only increase your stats by .1%, so really they won't make that huge of a difference when you get them, and you'll already be on the same playing field as people who've maxed them out, so there again, you can cut some time.

So you can expect to be super OP and have all you need in roughly 2 years, not 4.9 years. I don't find that extravagant

Sinbaar · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

I think its okay. As somebody said before, it is meant as progression. So where is the point of being done in like 4 weeks?
Sure , it takes quite a long time, especially when you are v14. But hey, twinks and the cadwell quests are now pretty useful. I don't know how many cp you can get through the cadwell zones, but it should be quite a few.
In pvp i usually get two points an evening - sounds and feels okay

Razzak · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Razzak wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Considering they are not meant to be grinded in the first place, no they're not too much.

Aye, exactly, but some people work themselves into a hissy fit cos they cant get everything nooowwww noowwww nowwwww, musttt get it nowwwww.

Its a game, we need objectives to work towards, or it becomes boring.

So what if its 10 years or w/e to get all CP`s, enjoy the game meantime, the CP`s will come.

So, you don't find working for objectives with grind alone, boring?

Who said I grinded alone?, and no I don`t find the game boring, I will admit, I do find grinding boring with friends sometimes, or by myself when I cba being social, but you get out of the game what you put in.

See to me its a game, I do what I want within it, I don`t live for the game, sounds like you do, and you want everything now.

Maybe I am being generalistic and thinking I know how you play, but I am just mirroring your wrong assumption back.

Nice isn`t it?

I don`t care how you play, maybe you are one of these players who want everything now and wake up in a cold sweat cos you feel as though you don`t have enough CP`s or wanna get them grinded as fast as possible.

Shrugs, I personally don`t lose any sleep over it,

Its a game, not real life.

Enjoy the game, do what you wanna do.

Grind alone. Meaning, with only grinding. Not alone as your self, without friends or other players. I apologize if my grammar was incorrect.

RainfeatherUK · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

The lazy and self entitled looking at more ways to nerf ESO into even more easy mode pointlessness. What a shock.

I honestly wonder what sort of patience or achievement ratio they must have in real life, if some mere points are too much of a challenge to overcome.

As usual Elloa is correct. But these threads. Ugh >_<

Razzak · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

RainfeatherUK wrote: »

The lazy and self entitled looking at more ways to nerf ESO into even more easy mode pointlessness. What a shock.

I honestly wonder what sort of patience or achievement ratio they must have in real life, if some mere points are too much of a challenge to overcome.

As usual Elloa is correct. But these threads. Ugh >_<

It's not mere points. It's years of grinding to get them. Remember, there will be no new content for months to come. Maybe even a year. And even after that, maybe another year for another one.

eliisra · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

I actually think getting 3600 CP should take a very long time, years even.

My issue is more how they choose to design and launch the CP system. I'm against getting a 5-10 year long grind in one go.

Would have been better with a smaller system upon release and seasonal caps, something a hardcore grinder would reach eventually after a few months, so he or she can stop no-lifing to be ahead of everyone else. After that casual slackers can slowly try to catch up. Than for the next major update, new constellations and upgrades of the old ones are added, getting 500 more CP or similar number is possible.

System like that would prevent to much disparity between new players, returning players, casual players and those that grind CP all day long.

Also more fun getting new constellations now and again to, with unique perks to try out. Seeing the end of the tunnel once or twice a year, would also remove a bit of stress. Many players are worried about getting left behind, feeling forced to grind their daily point(s), neglecting other activates they enjoy that aren't granting much exp.

Alleon · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

Just wait, maybe they'll put CP on the Crown Store. ^^

Heromofo · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

I put it as yes as i plan to play again on the console. But like alot of people eso is just to hold me and probably my mates if i can talk then back in till elder scrolls six.

Durham · April 2015

Its not a grind ... If you want to grind it you will quit... It was meant to reward you over playing this game over time.....

SHADOW2KK · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

Razzak wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

Razzak wrote: »

SHADOW2KK wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Considering they are not meant to be grinded in the first place, no they're not too much.

Aye, exactly, but some people work themselves into a hissy fit cos they cant get everything nooowwww noowwww nowwwww, musttt get it nowwwww.

Its a game, we need objectives to work towards, or it becomes boring.

So what if its 10 years or w/e to get all CP`s, enjoy the game meantime, the CP`s will come.

So, you don't find working for objectives with grind alone, boring?

Who said I grinded alone?, and no I don`t find the game boring, I will admit, I do find grinding boring with friends sometimes, or by myself when I cba being social, but you get out of the game what you put in.

See to me its a game, I do what I want within it, I don`t live for the game, sounds like you do, and you want everything now.

Maybe I am being generalistic and thinking I know how you play, but I am just mirroring your wrong assumption back.

Nice isn`t it?

I don`t care how you play, maybe you are one of these players who want everything now and wake up in a cold sweat cos you feel as though you don`t have enough CP`s or wanna get them grinded as fast as possible.

Shrugs, I personally don`t lose any sleep over it,

Its a game, not real life.

Enjoy the game, do what you wanna do.

Grind alone. Meaning, with only grinding. Not alone as your self, without friends or other players. I apologize if my grammar was incorrect.

Ah my bad, misunderstood you.

Well at the end of the day, any objective requires effort, 9/5 is a grind and requires effort.

You just get on with it, and in ESO, its the same thing, you just get on with it, go day by day.

AlnilamE · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is not too much of a grind

Huggernaut wrote: »

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

I thought VR ranks were a bit of a grind... now I find that the Champion Point system is far more soul-destroying than VR ever was.

Let me be clear: I have no problem with a game that rewards time and effort. Players who have put more time into the game should be able to gain advantages for all that effort. But 3600 point is just too much: it is a deterrent to anyone thinking of buying or playing the game to think that they will have to grind for literally years to get anywhere close to the more experienced players. At least with VR, the grind eventually ended; with CP, it virtually never will.

But maybe I am in the minority. What do you think?

I have no idea how anyone has voted NO so far.

3600 pts at roughly 2 a day let's say, that's 1800 days, or 4.9 years. How the flip is that not too much grind?

I have a mortgage. I know how to think long-term.

Also, as others have pointed out, unless you want to be a Jack-of-all-trades that can tank, heal, DPS with Magicka and Stamina, you don't need 3600 points. You only need the ones for the stars that are specific to your play style.

ssewallb14_ESO · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

Having more progression than you have content doesn't make sense. Having 100 times more progression than you do content is just lol. Gradually raising the CP cap as you add content would make sense, but all setting it at 3600 does is sell XP potions for a couple years until the progression gap inevitably kills the player base.

Mataata · April 2015

3,600 Champion Points is too much of a grind

I don't want them instantly, but I would like it if they were just a teensy bit faster. Maybe 300,000 xp instead of 400,000.

Rune_Relic · April 2015

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